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    Baibars national genographic 2.0 results

    Mtdna: J2b1
    Y-dna: J1

    Autosmal test:
    Mediterranean:51%
    South-westasian: 36%
    north-european:7%
    North-east asian: 3%
    Sub-saharan: 2%

    Neanderthal: 2.1%
    Denisovan: 2.8%

    This doesn't really make that much sense for me.
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    Very interesting results Baibars!

    According to this, you plot near Isfahan:

    Luristani.jpg

    In your opinion, is this accurate for someone of Luristani background?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sein View Post
    Very interesting results Baibars!

    According to this, you plot near Isfahan:

    Luristani.jpg

    In your opinion, is this accurate for someone of Luristani background?
    Inaccurate.... this test overestimates SSA ancestry. I have never scored such high SSA in other tests or 23andme. I should plot in central zagros, around Ilam. My SSA is usually between 0-0.5% on 23andme and gedmatch calculators. I have no known sub-saharan ancestry. All of my grandparents and known great-grandparents descend from loorestani and kurdish tribes in Ilam and Loorestan. I'm still uncertain what to make of it. I'd say it's noise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baibars View Post
    Inaccurate.... this test overestimates SSA ancestry. I have never scored such high SSA in other tests or 23andme. I should plot in central zagros, around Ilam. My SSA is usually between 0-0.5% on 23andme and gedmatch calculators. I have no known sub-saharan ancestry. All of my grandparents and known great-grandparents descend from loorestani and kurdish tribes in Ilam and Loorestan. I'm still uncertain what to make of it. I'd say it's noise.
    Very interesting.

    Is it possible for you to post you Dodecad World9 results from GEDMatch? That would be an apples to apples comparison, since K=9. We could compare your scores between both K=9 tests. Also, I'm trying to do some correlations with Geno 2.0 results based on Dodecad World9, so it would be very helpful for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sein View Post
    Very interesting.

    Is it possible for you to post you Dodecad World9 results from GEDMatch? That would be an apples to apples comparison, since K=9. We could compare your scores between both K=9 tests. Also, I'm trying to do some correlations with Geno 2.0 results based on Dodecad World9, so it would be very helpful for me.
    world9:
    Amerindian 0.34%
    East_Asian 1.05%
    African 0.86%
    Atlantic_Baltic 5.91%
    Australasian -
    Siberian 1.41%
    Caucasus_Gedrosia 55.26%
    Southern 29.77%
    South_Asian 5.35%
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    Thanks Baibars!

    This is very helpful. Looking at this, you have around 1% unambiguous Sub-Saharan African. Also, you have a very substantial 30% Southern score. For this calculator, Southern is the most Sub-Saharan African shifted of all West Eurasian components. What they've tried at Geno 2.0 is to avoid components with mixed or complex affinities. This guided their selection of reference populations and K values. So, you get a more accurate percentage of Sub-Saharan African. That extra 1% was hidden in your Southern component for Dodecad World9.

    To be honest, I think your results are actually accurate. If most of your ancestry is from the southwest of Iran, shouldn't you have around 2% Sub-Saharan African? Conversely, you are less East Asian than northwestern Iranians like DMXX, so that seems accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sein View Post
    Thanks Baibars!

    This is very helpful. Looking at this, you have around 1% unambiguous Sub-Saharan African. Also, you have a very substantial 30% Southern score. For this calculator, Southern is the most Sub-Saharan African shifted of all West Eurasian components. What they've tried at Geno 2.0 is to avoid components with mixed or complex affinities. This guided their selection of reference populations and K values. So, you get a more accurate percentage of Sub-Saharan African. That extra 1% was hidden in your Southern component for Dodecad World9.

    To be honest, I think your results are actually accurate. If most of your ancestry is from the southwest of Iran, shouldn't you have around 2% Sub-Saharan African? Conversely, you are less East Asian than northwestern Iranians like DMXX, so that seems accurate.
    Here is the thing though.... Ilam and loorestan aren't in south-western iran. They're in a west-central area. And my people descend from pastoralists and farmers who lived relatively isolated lives on the base of zagros and adjacent regions. Unlikely aswell, since most people from my region of iran do not have any african ancestry, and i've seen a few tested. And yes.. you're right in that components on gedmatch calculators have hidden allele-affinities. But even when those components were broken down in smaller K tests, i didn't have any noticably high SSA. My southern score is not high compared to other looris and iranian kurds either. I will occasionally score small 0.8-0.9 scores on some calculators. But not beyond noise levels.

    Logically speaking, if I had any SSA via the small noise amount scores and the K "hidden" , then the Lebanese reference sample should have twice or thrice the amount what I score. Because they usually have a stable 2-3% percent on most tests.

    Either way... they use a different system for their autosmal analysis, that is different from admixture alogrithims. Their method is likely incapable of distinguishing between noise and actual admixture, or has a higher rate of error than the system used by 23andme for example. Their "components" are pretty amateurish and limited aswell. What kind of half-decent ancestry genetic project merge iranian and tajik samples and call them south-west-asian. Tajikistan is in central-asia last time I looked.

    I'm disappointed in genos ancestral analysis.
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    Also, sorry for not asking this in the first place, but what are you're two closest reference populations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sein View Post
    Also, sorry for not asking this in the first place, but what are you're two closest reference populations?
    1.Georgian
    2.Iranian

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    This is a Feyli Kurd from Ilam.

    World9
    0.47% Amerindian
    0.17% East_Asian
    0.26% African
    8.97% Atlantic_Baltic
    0.79% Australasian
    0.38% Siberian
    51.75% Caucasus_Gedrosia
    31.6% Southern
    5.61% South_Asian
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