Greek Discussion Thread

[J Man]

Regarding Y-haplogroups from Maniots.
I am from north Greece and we have a family legend, that my paternal line came from a certain family of Mani. (Now, proven by Y-DNA to be wrong.)
Therefore, I did test some people with this surname from Mani.
All of them were J2a, but all with different subclades. So, they have the same surname, without beeing related. One other, with same surname is G2a.

Very interesting! Thank you for sharing this. Do you know from where in Mani the J2a results that you tested come from?

[Johnny ola]

Attachment 41443

Based on Y37, predicted U1

Needs deeper testing.

[losAntonis]

Needs deeper testing.

Indeed, everyone without NGS needs deeper testing.

[Michalis Moriopoulos]

What are the Y-DNA results of your Maniot matches?

I wish I could say; the match from Selegoudi is female.

[TonyC]

A historical question maybe off topic. The Greek Empuries sample is apparently of Phocaean Greek origin which was (based on something I read) settled by Phocians from Central Greece. Is there anything to the claim that the Phocians were a Doric tribe and is the Phocian—Phocaea connection accurate? The other question I have; is the Greek Empuries sample the closest thing we have to a typical classical age mainland Greek and how does it compare to the Mycenaean samples. If there was a discussion about this on another thread please indicate.

[J Man]

A bit off topic as well but I hope that someone might have an answer. Traditionaly did the Maniots of Mani live in a tribal clan based society like the Montenegrins and Albanians?

[TonyC]

A bit off topic as well but I hope that someone might have an answer. Traditionaly did the Maniots of Mani live in a tribal clan based society like the Montenegrins and Albanians?

I would guess so since my family (from Messinia) did. It was prevalent throughout the Peloponnese and mainland Greece.

[J Man]

I would guess so since my family (from Messinia) did. It was prevalent throughout the Peloponnese and mainland Greece.

Your family was structured like a clan? A large extended patrilineal kinship group that cooperated together in various activities?

[TonyC]

Your family was structured like a clan? A large extended patrilineal kinship group that cooperated together in various activities?

Yes but I’m referring to my grandfather’s village in the late 19th/early 20th century. He left Greece for the Western US (Wyoming) after settling a clan vendetta in 1913.

[J Man]

Yes but I’m referring to my grandfather’s village in the late 19th/early 20th century. He left Greece for the Western US (Wyoming) after settling a clan vendetta in 1913.

That is interesting but I don't think that any Greeks developed a tribal consciousness to the same degree that the Montenegrins and Gheg Albanians did. There is really no anthropological literature out there about "Greek tribes" anyway from what I can see.