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    Fooling around with the new migration samples. I removed LIB3 because of its closeness to Italy that caused overfitting. I used R5P to try to reduce overfitting, but probably was not successful. At any rate, fit is very good.

     
    Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,0.118376,0.158423,-0.009051,-0.0670225,0.0252355,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005077,0.0049085,0.042552,0.002842,0.01124,-0.016873,0.003578,-0.018526,-0.0157785,0.0035855,0.0003805,0.004588,-0.0126935,-0.008298,0.001546,0.001664,0.0071095,-0.008502
    Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA,0.1050018,0.1515678,-0.042332,-0.082365,-0.0040775,-0.0274705,-0.0024088,-0.0077882,-0.011402,0.028429,0.0097435,0.007006,-0.0120788,0.0030965,-0.0138435,-0.004475,0.0116693,-0.0021538,0.0087988,-0.00741,-0.0031817,0.0061828,-0.0048065,0.0030725,-0.001407
    TUR_Alalakh_MLBA,0.0970122,0.1472908,-0.0604988,-0.090117,-0.0156477,-0.0341748,0.0015728,-0.0050412,-0.00306,0.0125111,0.006408,-0.0047555,0.0086109,0.004912,-0.0113588,0.0070272,-0.0005767,0.0018711,0.0047668,-0.002535,0.0021548,0.0038048,-0.0040007,-0.0040968,0.0005988
    Migration1:LIB2,0.12862,0.145221,0.071653,0.063308 ,0.045855,0.025937,0.005875,0.005307,-0.001023,-0.005649,-0.009743,0.002548,-0.00669,-0.00812,0.013165,0,-0.001043,-0.003674,-0.008673,0.016133,0.006863,0.006925,-0.000123,0.01687,-0.010658
    Migration2:LIB11,0.1161,0.142174,0.05242,0.041667, 0.046162,0.010877,0.011045,0.001154,0,-0.020046,0.002111,0.001948,0.00773,0.016652,-0.0057,-0.003978,-0.004303,-0.012162,-0.003771,-0.002751,0.001622,-0.00779,0.013434,-0.002048,-0.001557
    Migration3OH3,0.127482,0.123895,0.053551,0.022933,0.038776,0 .002231,0.005875,0.013615,0.002045,-0.002916,0.006496,-0.005995,0.010852,0.011285,-0.015608,-0.011535,0.013821,-0.004434,-0.013827,0.013256,-0.003244,0.003586,0.00912,-0.010122,0.002036
    Migration4OH11,0.12862,0.145221,0.067882,0.051034,0.031083,0 .014223,0.0094,0.006,-0.010226,-0.006196,-0.009581,0.003297,0.009812,0.024222,-0.013301,0,0.010822,-0.005194,0.007919,0.003377,-0.014225,-0.002473,0.011955,0.004458,-0.006466
    Migration5OH13,0.127482,0.132019,0.083721,0.078489,0.050471, 0.026495,0.00517,0.018922,0.004295,-0.028429,-0.004384,-0.006744,0.017988,0.043076,-0.008143,-0.011668,0.005346,0.000507,0.004022,0.012256,-0.012228,-0.008903,0.01368,-0.013496,-0.002395
    Migration6OH27,0.126344,0.152329,0.037335,-0.001938,0.030159,-0.001116,0.004935,-0.002769,-0.008795,0.003462,0.00065,0.011989,0.002379,0.0068 81,-0.009093,-0.002121,0.024512,-0.000127,-0.005405,-0.006628,-0.001872,-0.011252,0.008751,0.001084,-0.002754
    Migration7OH28,0.141141,0.136081,0.087492,0.081719,0.047086, 0.027052,0.019976,0.023999,0.010635,-0.01385,-0.001299,-0.014537,0.027502,0.03647,-0.015065,-0.007425,-0.014473,-0.005954,-0.005531,0,-0.007237,-0.004204,0.000616,-0.00964,-0.002275
    Migration8OH36,0.12862,0.132019,0.072407,0.05491,0.055395,0. 01004,0.00376,0.006692,0.005727,-0.02278,0.000812,-0.025777,0.005946,0.015138,-0.011672,0.00358,0.014864,-0.006334,0.007919,-0.001876,-0.003619,-0.000247,0.002835,0.000964,0.005389
    Migration9OH40,0.133173,0.137096,0.061094,0.056525,0.046778, 0.02259,0.016216,0.004615,-0.000409,-0.023144,-0.014615,-0.002248,0.011596,0.013487,0.009229,0.009679,0.015 255,0.002027,0.000126,0.007379,0.001497,-0.00272,0.003328,-0.009037,-0.011376
    Migration10OH41,0.129758,0.128972,0.074293,0.062016,0.033852, 0.01757,0.014101,0.013153,0.000205,-0.01877,-0.00682,0.005545,0.013528,0.026286,-0.011129,0.012596,0.00013,-0.001014,0.004274,0.005503,0.001747,-0.001731,0.00912,-0.005543,0.014609



    Target: Greek_Thessaly
    Distance: 1.0577% / 0.01057673 | R5P
    32.6 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    29.0 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    15.0 Migration1:LIB2
    14.2 Migration10OH41
    9.2 Migration7OH28

    Target: Greek_Peloponnese
    Distance: 0.9605% / 0.00960526 | R5P
    37.8 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    25.6 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
    15.6 Migration8OH36
    11.2 Migration10OH41
    9.8 Migration4OH11


    Target: Greek_Crete
    Distance: 0.8025% / 0.00802476 | R5P
    34.0 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
    28.8 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    12.8 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    12.4 Migration5OH13
    12.0 Migration1:LIB2


    Target: Greek_Kos
    Distance: 0.8014% / 0.00801359 | R5P
    46.2 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    27.0 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
    12.8 Migration6OH27
    8.4 Migration9OH40
    5.6 Migration1:LIB2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greekscholar View Post
    Fooling around with the new migration samples. I removed LIB3 because of its closeness to Italy that caused overfitting. I used R5P to try to reduce overfitting, but probably was not successful. At any rate, fit is very good.

     
    Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,0.118376,0.158423,-0.009051,-0.0670225,0.0252355,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005077,0.0049085,0.042552,0.002842,0.01124,-0.016873,0.003578,-0.018526,-0.0157785,0.0035855,0.0003805,0.004588,-0.0126935,-0.008298,0.001546,0.001664,0.0071095,-0.008502
    Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA,0.1050018,0.1515678,-0.042332,-0.082365,-0.0040775,-0.0274705,-0.0024088,-0.0077882,-0.011402,0.028429,0.0097435,0.007006,-0.0120788,0.0030965,-0.0138435,-0.004475,0.0116693,-0.0021538,0.0087988,-0.00741,-0.0031817,0.0061828,-0.0048065,0.0030725,-0.001407
    TUR_Alalakh_MLBA,0.0970122,0.1472908,-0.0604988,-0.090117,-0.0156477,-0.0341748,0.0015728,-0.0050412,-0.00306,0.0125111,0.006408,-0.0047555,0.0086109,0.004912,-0.0113588,0.0070272,-0.0005767,0.0018711,0.0047668,-0.002535,0.0021548,0.0038048,-0.0040007,-0.0040968,0.0005988
    Migration1:LIB2,0.12862,0.145221,0.071653,0.063308 ,0.045855,0.025937,0.005875,0.005307,-0.001023,-0.005649,-0.009743,0.002548,-0.00669,-0.00812,0.013165,0,-0.001043,-0.003674,-0.008673,0.016133,0.006863,0.006925,-0.000123,0.01687,-0.010658
    Migration2:LIB11,0.1161,0.142174,0.05242,0.041667, 0.046162,0.010877,0.011045,0.001154,0,-0.020046,0.002111,0.001948,0.00773,0.016652,-0.0057,-0.003978,-0.004303,-0.012162,-0.003771,-0.002751,0.001622,-0.00779,0.013434,-0.002048,-0.001557
    Migration3OH3,0.127482,0.123895,0.053551,0.022933,0.038776,0 .002231,0.005875,0.013615,0.002045,-0.002916,0.006496,-0.005995,0.010852,0.011285,-0.015608,-0.011535,0.013821,-0.004434,-0.013827,0.013256,-0.003244,0.003586,0.00912,-0.010122,0.002036
    Migration4OH11,0.12862,0.145221,0.067882,0.051034,0.031083,0 .014223,0.0094,0.006,-0.010226,-0.006196,-0.009581,0.003297,0.009812,0.024222,-0.013301,0,0.010822,-0.005194,0.007919,0.003377,-0.014225,-0.002473,0.011955,0.004458,-0.006466
    Migration5OH13,0.127482,0.132019,0.083721,0.078489,0.050471, 0.026495,0.00517,0.018922,0.004295,-0.028429,-0.004384,-0.006744,0.017988,0.043076,-0.008143,-0.011668,0.005346,0.000507,0.004022,0.012256,-0.012228,-0.008903,0.01368,-0.013496,-0.002395
    Migration6OH27,0.126344,0.152329,0.037335,-0.001938,0.030159,-0.001116,0.004935,-0.002769,-0.008795,0.003462,0.00065,0.011989,0.002379,0.0068 81,-0.009093,-0.002121,0.024512,-0.000127,-0.005405,-0.006628,-0.001872,-0.011252,0.008751,0.001084,-0.002754
    Migration7OH28,0.141141,0.136081,0.087492,0.081719,0.047086, 0.027052,0.019976,0.023999,0.010635,-0.01385,-0.001299,-0.014537,0.027502,0.03647,-0.015065,-0.007425,-0.014473,-0.005954,-0.005531,0,-0.007237,-0.004204,0.000616,-0.00964,-0.002275
    Migration8OH36,0.12862,0.132019,0.072407,0.05491,0.055395,0. 01004,0.00376,0.006692,0.005727,-0.02278,0.000812,-0.025777,0.005946,0.015138,-0.011672,0.00358,0.014864,-0.006334,0.007919,-0.001876,-0.003619,-0.000247,0.002835,0.000964,0.005389
    Migration9OH40,0.133173,0.137096,0.061094,0.056525,0.046778, 0.02259,0.016216,0.004615,-0.000409,-0.023144,-0.014615,-0.002248,0.011596,0.013487,0.009229,0.009679,0.015 255,0.002027,0.000126,0.007379,0.001497,-0.00272,0.003328,-0.009037,-0.011376
    Migration10OH41,0.129758,0.128972,0.074293,0.062016,0.033852, 0.01757,0.014101,0.013153,0.000205,-0.01877,-0.00682,0.005545,0.013528,0.026286,-0.011129,0.012596,0.00013,-0.001014,0.004274,0.005503,0.001747,-0.001731,0.00912,-0.005543,0.014609



    Target: Greek_Thessaly
    Distance: 1.0577% / 0.01057673 | R5P
    32.6 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    29.0 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    15.0 Migration1:LIB2
    14.2 Migration10OH41
    9.2 Migration7OH28

    Target: Greek_Peloponnese
    Distance: 0.9605% / 0.00960526 | R5P
    37.8 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    25.6 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
    15.6 Migration8OH36
    11.2 Migration10OH41
    9.8 Migration4OH11


    Target: Greek_Crete
    Distance: 0.8025% / 0.00802476 | R5P
    34.0 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
    28.8 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    12.8 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    12.4 Migration5OH13
    12.0 Migration1:LIB2


    Target: Greek_Kos
    Distance: 0.8014% / 0.00801359 | R5P
    46.2 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    27.0 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
    12.8 Migration6OH27
    8.4 Migration9OH40
    5.6 Migration1:LIB2
    Target: Anthony_C_scaled
    Distance: 1.8453% / 0.01845287
    46.6 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    21.0 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    13.0 Migration10OH41
    7.4 Migration5OH13
    4.0 Migration1
    3.0 Migration4OH11
    2.8 Migration7OH28
    2.2 Migration8OH36

    Could you please explain the migration samples and/or where I could find info about them. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyC View Post
    Target: Anthony_C_scaled
    Distance: 1.8453% / 0.01845287
    46.6 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    21.0 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    13.0 Migration10OH41
    7.4 Migration5OH13
    4.0 Migration1
    3.0 Migration4OH11
    2.8 Migration7OH28
    2.2 Migration8OH36

    Could you please explain the migration samples and/or where I could find info about them. Thanks!
    That's ok I see the thread now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    When my 20-year old mother was dating my 32-year old father in 1985, they ran a restaurant together in the same small town I live in now. Here's a photo of her working there at the time. When she was pregnant with me, their relationship was on the rocks and so was the restaurant. He was apparently robbing Peter to pay Paul to keep things running. When the business finally failed, he wanted my pregnant mother to accompany him to Greece. My grandfather (mom's dad) told her in no uncertain terms, "If you get on the plane with that man, I believe we will never hear from you or that child again." She agreed with this sentiment and ended the relationship. She drove my father to the airport so he could catch a plane to Athens and that's the last time anyone's ever seen or heard from Mr. Thomakos. I inherited nothing from him, not even a photograph. Well, not quite nothing. Just yesterday, my grandmother (mom's mom) happened to stumble upon something while going through her storage:



    It's a bouzouki-shaped bottle for mavrodaphne imported from Piraeus. Here's one like it I just found on ebay.

    This little trinket has been sitting in my grandmother's house for 35 years, and it's now the only thing I own that belonged to my biological father.

    In happier news, ol' TonyC and I happen to live in the same town and plan on meeting up soon!
    OMG Mihali! The picture jogged my memory so I went ramaging. My mother owns such a bottle. It's a cherry something and must be from over 35 years ago. It's never been opened, in fact it was still sitting in its box when I found it. I had to screw the separate top on. The liqueur must be toxic by now. As far as I'm concerned, a family heir loom like that is the only real marker of Greek identity. DNA tests pale into insignificance by comparison

    Here's my Greek identity card:



    Btw, if your father was from Ikaria, I'm going to have to give you some culinary lessons. The only place in the Greek world where colocasi (a type of taro) is eaten is Cyprus and...Ikaria. In Ikaria, it's eaten a lot in salads (though it needs to be cooked first) and locals report that it helped the islanders fend off starvation during WWII!

    And if you are of Ikarian origin, be prepared to live past 100! This documentary on Ikaria and its people's longevity is worth a watch:

    https://youtu.be/erSmSrLeIvQ
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    Cool stuff. I am not sure I would drink the liqueur either at this point. Most of my Greek swag is various little coffee cups and vases with "Φούρνοι" and a crude map scrawled on it along with some nice linens and doilies. My parents have a big collection of Asian stuff, like fancy porcelain Chinese dolls, they have brought back from Fourni over the years. Maybe it is just a Fourni thing, but Asian-themed décor is a must for the "sitting room" where guests are entertained.

    At any rate, here is another model using a selection of Aegean-like Roman Imperial samples and the Migration samples. Again, R5P to try and reduce overfitting. Fits are very good for mainland and island averages. I need to run some similar models with our old Steppe-heavy favorite samples to see if the close fits are do to the new samples, or because of the way the model is set up.

    Note that LIB1,ROH36, and ROH27 are the specific migration samples that seem to be preferred.

     

    Migration1:LIB2,0.12862,0.145221,0.071653,0.063308 ,0.045855,0.025937,0.005875,0.005307,-0.001023,-0.005649,-0.009743,0.002548,-0.00669,-0.00812,0.013165,0,-0.001043,-0.003674,-0.008673,0.016133,0.006863,0.006925,-0.000123,0.01687,-0.010658
    Migration2:LIB11,0.1161,0.142174,0.05242,0.041667, 0.046162,0.010877,0.011045,0.001154,0,-0.020046,0.002111,0.001948,0.00773,0.016652,-0.0057,-0.003978,-0.004303,-0.012162,-0.003771,-0.002751,0.001622,-0.00779,0.013434,-0.002048,-0.001557
    Migration3OH3,0.127482,0.123895,0.053551,0.022933,0.038776,0 .002231,0.005875,0.013615,0.002045,-0.002916,0.006496,-0.005995,0.010852,0.011285,-0.015608,-0.011535,0.013821,-0.004434,-0.013827,0.013256,-0.003244,0.003586,0.00912,-0.010122,0.002036
    Migration4OH11,0.12862,0.145221,0.067882,0.051034,0.031083,0 .014223,0.0094,0.006,-0.010226,-0.006196,-0.009581,0.003297,0.009812,0.024222,-0.013301,0,0.010822,-0.005194,0.007919,0.003377,-0.014225,-0.002473,0.011955,0.004458,-0.006466
    Migration5OH13,0.127482,0.132019,0.083721,0.078489,0.050471, 0.026495,0.00517,0.018922,0.004295,-0.028429,-0.004384,-0.006744,0.017988,0.043076,-0.008143,-0.011668,0.005346,0.000507,0.004022,0.012256,-0.012228,-0.008903,0.01368,-0.013496,-0.002395
    Migration6OH27,0.126344,0.152329,0.037335,-0.001938,0.030159,-0.001116,0.004935,-0.002769,-0.008795,0.003462,0.00065,0.011989,0.002379,0.0068 81,-0.009093,-0.002121,0.024512,-0.000127,-0.005405,-0.006628,-0.001872,-0.011252,0.008751,0.001084,-0.002754
    Migration7OH28,0.141141,0.136081,0.087492,0.081719,0.047086, 0.027052,0.019976,0.023999,0.010635,-0.01385,-0.001299,-0.014537,0.027502,0.03647,-0.015065,-0.007425,-0.014473,-0.005954,-0.005531,0,-0.007237,-0.004204,0.000616,-0.00964,-0.002275
    Migration8OH36,0.12862,0.132019,0.072407,0.05491,0.055395,0. 01004,0.00376,0.006692,0.005727,-0.02278,0.000812,-0.025777,0.005946,0.015138,-0.011672,0.00358,0.014864,-0.006334,0.007919,-0.001876,-0.003619,-0.000247,0.002835,0.000964,0.005389
    Migration9OH40,0.133173,0.137096,0.061094,0.056525,0.046778, 0.02259,0.016216,0.004615,-0.000409,-0.023144,-0.014615,-0.002248,0.011596,0.013487,0.009229,0.009679,0.015 255,0.002027,0.000126,0.007379,0.001497,-0.00272,0.003328,-0.009037,-0.011376
    Migration10OH41,0.129758,0.128972,0.074293,0.062016,0.033852, 0.01757,0.014101,0.013153,0.000205,-0.01877,-0.00682,0.005545,0.013528,0.026286,-0.011129,0.012596,0.00013,-0.001014,0.004274,0.005503,0.001747,-0.001731,0.00912,-0.005543,0.014609
    ITA_Rome_Imperial1:RMPR115,0.105855,0.145221,-0.02225,-0.065892,-0.001846,-0.01255,0.00188,0.002538,-0.00225,0.019317,0.002598,0.006294,-0.005054,0.001927,-0.011401,-0.001724,0.009127,-0.000253,0.003645,-0.011631,-0.007112,0.004328,-0.003821,0.004699,-0.003952
    ITA_Rome_Imperial2:RMPR49,0.110408,0.156392,-0.00528,-0.040052,0.016618,-0.020917,0.00376,-0.003461,-0.00225,0.017677,0.004384,0.006594,-0.01219,0.002477,-0.010315,0.002387,0.004042,-0.002154,0.00352,-0.004502,0.002496,-0.000124,0.000739,-0.005904,0.003233
    ITA_Rome_Imperial3:RMPR39,0.111547,0.142174,-0.022627,-0.065892,0.002462,-0.020638,-0.00141,-0.006923,-0.004295,0.028064,0.007795,0.004796,-0.005798,0.000138,-0.013843,0.000796,0.006519,0.001394,-0.000628,0.004002,-0.00262,0.000989,-0.00037,-0.006386,-0.000838
    ITA_Rome_Imperial4:RMPR40,0.105855,0.151314,-0.023004,-0.060078,0.001539,-0.013666,-0.00141,-0.004846,-0.012067,0.027882,0.007307,0.003447,-0.010555,0.000275,-0.017236,-0.000796,0.000261,-0.00076,-0.002388,-0.01113,-0.004742,0.000371,-0.013188,0.004338,-0.000359
    ITA_Rome_Imperial5:RMPR81,0.108132,0.15436,-0.026398,-0.063308,0.005232,-0.027052,0.000705,0.008307,-0.001432,0.025149,0.005521,-0.003897,-0.002825,-0.005367,-0.010315,-0.001989,0.012126,0.004307,0.008422,0.001501,-0.010856,0.001484,0.00419,-0.001205,-0.001197
    ITA_Rome_Imperial6:RMPR50,0.100164,0.150298,-0.024136,-0.049742,0.008309,-0.009203,0.00141,-0.000692,-0.005113,0.014214,0.000974,0.002997,0.00223,0.0050 92,-0.003257,-0.012198,-0.009648,0.007601,0.006159,-0.008379,0,0.007419,0.001972,0.000602,0.001557
    ITA_Rome_Imperial7:RMPR835,0.102441,0.14319,-0.006411,-0.038114,0.017849,-0.017012,-0.010575,0.002077,0.001023,0.019135,0.006008,0.001 199,-0.009217,-0.004542,-0.008822,0.009679,0.003912,0.003801,-0.003142,-0.007754,-0.004492,-0.005193,0.005176,-0.001928,-0.001197


    Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia
    Distance: 0.9761% / 0.00976111 | R5P
    32.8 ITA_Rome_Imperial3:RMPR39
    23.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial1:RMPR115
    19.2 Migration4OH11
    18.6 Migration8OH36
    6.2 Migration6OH27

    Target: Greek_Peloponnese
    Distance: 1.0401% / 0.01040086 | R5P
    28.0 ITA_Rome_Imperial3:RMPR39
    25.4 ITA_Rome_Imperial1:RMPR115
    18.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial2:RMPR49
    17.4 Migration8OH36
    11.0 Migration4OH11

    Target: Greek_Smyrna
    Distance: 0.8289% / 0.00828872 | R5P
    34.6 ITA_Rome_Imperial1:RMPR115
    28.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial3:RMPR39
    15.8 ITA_Rome_Imperial2:RMPR49
    11.8 Migration8OH36
    9.6 Migration4OH11

    Target: Greek_Crete
    Distance: 0.7220% / 0.00721980 | R5P
    35.0 ITA_Rome_Imperial1:RMPR115
    19.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial3:RMPR39
    16.0 ITA_Rome_Imperial5:RMPR81
    15.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial6:RMPR50
    14.6 Migration2:LIB11

    Target: Greek_Dodecanese
    Distance: 1.1005% / 0.01100544 | R5P
    31.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial3:RMPR39
    25.8 ITA_Rome_Imperial1:RMPR115
    23.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial6:RMPR50
    17.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial5:RMPR81
    2.6 Migration2:LIB11

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    My Greek friend and his mother using your latest model

    Target: Chris_scaled
    Distance: 1.2995% / 0.01299550 | R5P
    46.0 ITA_Rome_Imperial4:RMPR40
    22.4 ITA_Rome_Imperial5:RMPR81
    12.6 Migration9OH40
    10.0 Migration4OH11
    9.0 ITA_Rome_Imperial7:RMPR835


    Target: ChrisMom_scaled
    Distance: 1.9141% / 0.01914088 | R5P
    44.0 ITA_Rome_Imperial6:RMPR50
    33.8 ITA_Rome_Imperial1:RMPR115
    10.8 ITA_Rome_Imperial4:RMPR40
    9.4 Migration5OH13
    2.0 Migration2:LIB11

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    Target: Andrewid_scaled
    Distance: 2.4114% / 0.02411424 | R5P
    38.6 ITA_Rome_Imperial1
    36.8 ITA_Rome_Imperial3
    20.8 ITA_Rome_Imperial6
    3.8 ITA_Rome_Imperial5

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    When I add all the Rome Imperial samples plus migration I get this:

    Target: Andrewid_scaled
    Distance: 1.0735% / 0.01073538 | R5P
    93.6 ITA_Rome_Imperial
    6.4 Migration

    The fit is much better and Migration appears, which roughly corresponds to the Yamnaya I get through other calculations (usually around 9%). But why isn't the Rome Imperial split into the various individual samples?

    Distance to: Andrewid_scaled
    0.02448402 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR41
    0.02506166 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR126
    0.02565501 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR75
    0.02793988 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR115
    0.02928839 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR72
    0.03019123 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR39
    0.03221869 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1545
    0.03383386 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1543
    0.03512610 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR123
    0.03563794 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR81
    0.03604672 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR71
    0.03629511 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR40
    0.03682502 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR43
    0.03805494 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR50
    0.03821126 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR38
    0.03871992 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR78
    0.03971120 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR66
    0.04138370 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR70
    0.04144203 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR51
    0.04152568 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR128
    0.04170525 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR73
    0.04239848 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR76
    0.04353640 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR114
    0.04425250 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR44
    0.04489305 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1548

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewid View Post
    When I add all the Rome Imperial samples plus migration I get this:

    Target: Andrewid_scaled
    Distance: 1.0735% / 0.01073538 | R5P
    93.6 ITA_Rome_Imperial
    6.4 Migration

    The fit is much better and Migration appears, which roughly corresponds to the Yamnaya I get through other calculations (usually around 9%). But why isn't the Rome Imperial split into the various individual samples?

    Distance to: Andrewid_scaled
    0.02448402 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR41
    0.02506166 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR126
    0.02565501 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR75
    0.02793988 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR115
    0.02928839 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR72
    0.03019123 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR39
    0.03221869 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1545
    0.03383386 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1543
    0.03512610 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR123
    0.03563794 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR81
    0.03604672 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR71
    0.03629511 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR40
    0.03682502 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR43
    0.03805494 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR50
    0.03821126 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR38
    0.03871992 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR78
    0.03971120 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR66
    0.04138370 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR70
    0.04144203 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR51
    0.04152568 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR128
    0.04170525 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR73
    0.04239848 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR76
    0.04353640 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR114
    0.04425250 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR44
    0.04489305 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1548
    YOU score steppe Like most Cypriots do. The migration sample eating your steppe admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewid View Post
    When I add all the Rome Imperial samples plus migration I get this:

    Target: Andrewid_scaled
    Distance: 1.0735% / 0.01073538 | R5P
    93.6 ITA_Rome_Imperial
    6.4 Migration

    The fit is much better and Migration appears, which roughly corresponds to the Yamnaya I get through other calculations (usually around 9%). But why isn't the Rome Imperial split into the various individual samples?

    Distance to: Andrewid_scaled
    0.02448402 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR41
    0.02506166 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR126
    0.02565501 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR75
    0.02793988 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR115
    0.02928839 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR72
    0.03019123 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR39
    0.03221869 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1545
    0.03383386 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1543
    0.03512610 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR123
    0.03563794 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR81
    0.03604672 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR71
    0.03629511 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR40
    0.03682502 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR43
    0.03805494 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR50
    0.03821126 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR38
    0.03871992 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR78
    0.03971120 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR66
    0.04138370 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR70
    0.04144203 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR51
    0.04152568 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR128
    0.04170525 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR73
    0.04239848 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR76
    0.04353640 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR114
    0.04425250 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR44
    0.04489305 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1548
    I had to relabel those particular Imperial samples so they would all appear as separate source populations in R5P. I hand selected a few of the most Aegean-like since I wanted to try a model that uses individual samples, not averages.

    The samples I picked out were not as close to the Cypriot average as the ones you are posting above, so that is probably why the fit is not as good for you. My main goal was to see if Mainlanders, especially, could be modeled as Roman-Aegean like profiles + the migration samples.

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