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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    Its because they sharing similar admixtures/components.GRC Helladic is prolly proto-Greeks or proto-Macedonian-Phrygians.They are highly steppe admixed.

    Villanovan is pre-Etruscan.Autosomal is not that different from later Etruscans and other Italics.

    Italo-Celtic branch is diffrent from the Greco-Phrygian-Armenian branch both in linguistics but also in their origins.
    Linguistically for sure but is there a possibility the early Italics were a mix of Yamnaya and western Balkans? Or did they arrive in Italy from Corded Ware/Central Europe? Admittedly I haven't read much on Bell Beakers because everyone only talks about R1b in those threads so maybe I'm way off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peloponnesian View Post
    Linguistically for sure but is there a possibility the early Italics were a mix of Yamnaya and western Balkans? Or did they arrive in Italy from Corded Ware/Central Europe? Admittedly I haven't read much on Bell Beakers because everyone only talks about R1b in those threads so maybe I'm way off.
    Yamnaya is too early.Italo-Celts are more related with Bell Beakers.Greco-Armenians-Phrygo-Macedonians are still a debate.They are either from KMK Babyno(mini Corded group) or Catacomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icecoldlove View Post
    Those two branches should be closer than either is to Germanic or Slavic. Remember even Celts once existed in Anatolia.
    lol what?

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    One of my latest matches who is 100% WANA: 50% Kastamonu, 50% Kos:

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    distance: 1.656775
    Ancient Greece/Balkans: 48.8
    Early Slavic: 24.5
    RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya: 12.7
    Levant_Megiddo_IA: 10.2
    IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2: 1.7
    MAR_Taforalt: 0.8
    CHN_Yellow_River_LBIA: 0.7
    Yoruba: 0.6

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    Question,

    Can anyone suggest which of the Bulgarian or Southeast Europe sample available on G25 would be the best available proxy for Thracian/Skudra as depicted on Xerxes tomb relief?

    Thanks,

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    23ame is the most expensive test, has the least number of SNPs in its raw file, making it bad for GEDMATCH calculators and G25 (Davidski's words not mine), and its latest oracle iteration is complete garbage.

    It is also the least popular for the Greek market, hence the least amount of matches.

    Yet, here we are, regurgitating the same things ad nauseam.
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    wife: 50% English + 50% Irish @ 1.837
    kid1: 56.25% English + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.817
    kid2: 56.25% English_Cornwall + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.866

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post
    and G25 (Davidski's words not mine)
    Davidski told me 23andme raw data works fine though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bovefex View Post
    Davidski told me 23andme raw data works fine though?
    I remember something being said about the new V5 chips being less accurate than the older V3 ones, not a dealbreaker, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altvred View Post
    I remember something being said about the new V5 chips being less accurate than the older V3 ones, not a dealbreaker, though.
    That sounds correct and confirms what I know from my own raw data comparisons between the major companies. MH/Ancestry very similar and 23andMe V5 way off. There's hope if you're able to convert it to V3, however.
     
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    Distance: 0.8790% / 0.87904303
    Target: Markos | ADC: 0.5x RC
    68.0 Greek_Athens
    21.8 Greek_Foca
    8.4 Balkan_Gypsy
    1.8 Greek_Lemnos

    G25 Modern
    Distance: 1.4201% / 0.01420105
    Target: Markos_scaled
    41.5 Greek_Peloponnese
    39.5 Greek_Crete
    10.0 Roma_Barcelona
    9.0 Greek_Thessaly

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    Distance: 1.6988% / 1.69878934
    Target: Markos | ADC: 0.25x RC
    65.3 Greek_West
    29.1 Greek_Symi_Island
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    XXD showed an interesting match of his, and I don't understand how it not producing the best coordinates for gedmatch calcs/G25 is relevant to what he posted. It's actually completely unrelated to if 23andMe itself is an actual good test or not. Overlap of SNPs being poor is the problem of the calculators, not 23andMe.

    My opinion is that it is the best test on the market for studying segment matching, which as I mentioned before is completely superior to what I consider to be useless on an individual basis - oracles and ethnicity estimates. XXD himself has studied his matches and worked out what % Romani he could be from this method. I'm in the middle of mapping all my shared segments, and hopefully can be done soon.

    As for the match XXD posted, it looks like a 100% Turk result, does he list Greek surnames? I've seen various strange results with mixed individuals. For example, a 50% Cypriot becoming 100% Cypriot, so maybe this is a similar case. Additionally, any half Dodecanese / half Ashkenazi will also essentially become 50% Cypriot. And again, a half Dodecanese / half East Asian will see their Anatolian % take up most of that side. So maybe it's another case of this, unfortunately the ethnicity estimates do not work well for mixed individuals in every test, so I don't think this is specifically a problem of 23andMe.
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    23abc_AncestryDNA_scaled,0.110408,0.151314,-0.0290383,-0.0507112,0.0018465,-0.0156179,-0.00305514,-0.00138456,-0.00899905,0.00911181,0.00243583,-0.00149867,-0.00431116,0.00344057,-0.00773606,0.00106072,0.00195576,0.00152026,0.00251396,-0.00550264,-0.00786113,-0.00197844,0.0025882,0.00168699,0.000957998

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