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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    Try this,

    Baltic_HG,0.149868802,0.136380306,0.209730848,0.19 0840117,0.156106048,0.072437149,0.038002007,0.0636 88237,0.046382364,-0.072430537,-0.000902502,-0.05876715,0.106677275,0.144928109,-0.071019374,-0.005004616,0.021966607,0.003931878,-0.009757506,0.005758381,0.003759276,-0.024595198,0.007626296,-0.077723948,0.014953698
    That's better, thanks.

    Target: me
    Distance: 2.7135% / 0.02713517
    59.8 Barcin_N
    29.2 Steppe_EN
    5.8 Baltic_HG
    2.2 IRN_N
    2.0 Levant_Natufian
    1.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

    Target: father
    Distance: 1.8127% / 0.01812746
    61.2 Barcin_N
    25.0 Steppe_EN
    6.2 IRN_N
    4.4 Baltic_HG
    2.8 Levant_Natufian
    0.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

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    Target: Anthony_C_scaled
    Distance: 2.1558% / 0.02155751
    62.6 Barcin_N
    26.8 Steppe_EN
    5.6 Baltic_HG
    4.0 IRN_N
    1.0 CHG

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    Target: Christos_mother_scaled
    Distance: 2.7445% / 0.02744533
    64.0 Barcin_N
    34.0 Steppe_EN
    2.0 WHG

    Target: Christos_father_scaled
    Distance: 2.6918% / 0.02691815
    60.8 Barcin_N
    36.4 Steppe_EN
    1.4 Levant_Natufian
    0.8 CHG
    0.6 WHG

    Target: ChristosA_scaled
    Distance: 2.4692% / 0.02469180
    65.0 Barcin_N
    33.6 Steppe_EN
    1.4 WHG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chatzianastasoglou View Post
    Target: Christos_mother_scaled
    Distance: 2.7445% / 0.02744533
    64.0 Barcin_N
    34.0 Steppe_EN
    2.0 WHG

    Target: Christos_father_scaled
    Distance: 2.6918% / 0.02691815
    60.8 Barcin_N
    36.4 Steppe_EN
    1.4 Levant_Natufian
    0.8 CHG
    0.6 WHG

    Target: ChristosA_scaled
    Distance: 2.4692% / 0.02469180
    65.0 Barcin_N
    33.6 Steppe_EN
    1.4 WHG
    Did you add the Baltic HG component?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyC View Post
    Target: Anthony_C_scaled
    Distance: 2.1558% / 0.02155751
    62.6 Barcin_N
    26.8 Steppe_EN
    5.6 Baltic_HG
    4.0 IRN_N
    1.0 CHG
    Sorcelow the Baltic HG component tightened it a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyC View Post
    Sorcelow the Baltic HG component tightened it a bit.
    Yes, because it mimics Narva_HG, but also comtains balto-slavic drift. You will notice that this component peaks in Latvians at around 32%, and then declines the further south you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyC View Post
    Did you add the Baltic HG component?
    With Baltic

    Target: ChristosA_scaled
    Distance: 2.4366% / 0.02436562
    64.8 Barcin_N
    32.8 Steppe_EN
    2.4 Baltic_LVA_HG

    Target: Christos_father_scaled
    Distance: 2.6749% / 0.02674916
    60.6 Barcin_N
    34.2 Steppe_EN
    2.0 CHG
    1.6 Baltic_LVA_HG
    1.4 Levant_Natufian
    0.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

    Target: Christos_mother_scaled
    Distance: 2.6870% / 0.02687022
    63.8 Barcin_N
    32.8 Steppe_EN
    3.4 Baltic_LVA_HG

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    Byzantine Empire
    This is a Hunter-Gatherer run, made to show affinities (before you comment on the distances, this is a 7-10k year old component comparison, so all things considered, they're pretty good, imo):

    Code:
    Sample Fit Pinarbasi HG Samara HG GEO CHG Ganj Dareh N Levant Natufian Baltic LVA HG
    Greek Thessaly ► Average 4.39 60 16 12.5 9.5 2 0
    Greek Peloponnese ► Average 4.03 59.5 14 10.5 12 4 0
    Greek Central Macedonia ► Average 4.07 59.5 18 10.5 10 2 0
    Rumelia East ► Average 4.1 58.5 17 13 10.5 0.5 0.5
    Greek Laconia ► Average 4.07 58.5 12 11.5 11 7 0
    Greek Macedonia ► Average 4.69 58 16.5 12 10.5 2 1
    Greek Izmir ► Average 3.6 58 11 13.5 13 4.5 0
    Greek Kos ► Average 3.29 55.5 3 15.5 18 8 0
    Greek Dodecanese ► Average 3.61 54 2.5 14.5 19.5 9.5 0
    Greek Crete ► Average 3.75 53 7 15 16 9 0
    dosas1312 ► dosas 23ame v3 4.19 52 7.5 22.5 14.5 3.5 0
    Greek Central Anatolia ► Average 3.96 50.5 0 21.5 20.5 7.5 0
    Cypriot ► Average 3.64 49 0 15.5 20.5 15 0
    Greek Cappadocia ► Average 4.54 47 0 21.5 21.5 10 0
    Greek Trabzon ► Average 4.37 39 0 35.5 16 9.5 0

    Natufian is still not preferred in relation to CHG/Iran_N.

    All Greek pops are predominately Anatolian HG/Farmer mostly, with the exception of Pontics who are half and half (*ish) CHGs.
    Last edited by dosas; 03-13-2021 at 02:48 PM.
    dosas: 56.25% Greek_Macedonia + 43.75% Greek_Trabzon @ 1.769
    wife: 50% English + 50% Irish @ 1.837
    kid1: 56.25% English + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.817
    kid2: 56.25% English_Cornwall + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.866

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    Byzantine Empire
    Now compare the "Greek Islanders" and the Pontics, the favorite obsession of the 23ame sub-reddit troll brigade (the islanders being "Hellenized Levantines" and the Pontics overlapping with Iraqis), next to the real Levantines.

    Code:
    Sample Fit GEO CHG Pinarbasi HG Levant Natufian Ganj Dareh N Yoruba Samara HG
    Georgian Imer ► Average 3.85 56 29 7.5 7.5 0 0
    Greek Trabzon ► Average 4.37 35.5 39 9.5 16 0 0
    Greek Central Anatolia ► Average 3.96 21.5 50.5 7.5 20.5 0 0
    Greek Cappadocia ► Average 4.54 21.5 47 10 21.5 0 0
    Greek Kos ► Average 3.29 15.5 55.5 8 18 0 3
    Greek Crete ► Average 3.75 15 53 9 16 0 7
    Greek Dodecanese ► Average 3.61 14.5 54 9.5 19.5 0 2.5
    Lebanese Muslim ► Average 3 13 36 24 27 0 0
    Iraqi ► Average 2.85 12 30 23 34.5 0 0.5
    Lebanese Christian ► Average 3.79 10 39.5 24 26.5 0 0
    Palestinian ► Average 2.61 8 28 34.5 27 2.5 0

    Pontics are a visible intermediate (as they should be) between Crete and the "pure" Caucasians (in this case, the Georgian Imer average), the Greeks islands being predominately Anatolian HG/Farmers, as I wrote above.
    Last edited by dosas; 03-13-2021 at 04:30 PM.
    dosas: 56.25% Greek_Macedonia + 43.75% Greek_Trabzon @ 1.769
    wife: 50% English + 50% Irish @ 1.837
    kid1: 56.25% English + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.817
    kid2: 56.25% English_Cornwall + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.866

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post
    Now compare the "Greek Islanders" and the Pontics, the favorite obsession of the 23ame sub-reddit troll brigade (the islanders being "Hellenized Levantines" and the Pontics overlapping with Iraqis), next to the real Levantines.

    Code:
    Sample Fit GEO CHG Pinarbasi HG Levant Natufian Ganj Dareh N Yoruba Samara HG
    Georgian Imer ► Average 3.85 56 29 7.5 7.5 0 0
    Greek Trabzon ► Average 4.37 35.5 39 9.5 16 0 0
    Greek Central Anatolia ► Average 3.96 21.5 50.5 7.5 20.5 0 0
    Greek Cappadocia ► Average 4.54 21.5 47 10 21.5 0 0
    Greek Kos ► Average 3.29 15.5 55.5 8 18 0 3
    Greek Crete ► Average 3.75 15 53 9 16 0 7
    Greek Dodecanese ► Average 3.61 14.5 54 9.5 19.5 0 2.5
    Lebanese Muslim ► Average 3 13 36 24 27 0 0
    Iraqi ► Average 2.85 12 30 23 34.5 0 0.5
    Lebanese Christian ► Average 3.79 10 39.5 24 26.5 0 0
    Palestinian ► Average 2.61 8 28 34.5 27 2.5 0

    Pontics are a visible intermediate (as they should be) between Crete and the "pure" Caucasians (in this case, the Georgian Imer average), the Greeks islands being predominately Anatolian HG/Farmers, as I wrote above.
    Very interesting model. Thanks!

    Would I be right in saying that the Cypriot average comes out as fairly close to Dodecanesians, but more Levantine coast shifted?

    Would you be able to add individual members to the calculation? Just in case, these are my coordinates:

    Andrewid_scaled,0.100164,0.142174,-0.036581,-0.065246,-0.003693,-0.024821,0.005405,-0.003,0.000409,0.017495,0.004384,0.004496,-0.003271,0.007707,-0.010043,-0.000928,0.001695,0,0.00176,-0.002251,0.001996,0.001484,0.001232,0.005784,0

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