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Thread: Greek Z2103 - its age, distribution and ancient ethnic identity

  1. #161
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    R1bZ2103>Z2106>BY611
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    J1c2e
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    U3a3

    Greece Byzantine Empire Empire of Trebizond
    Quote Originally Posted by Bruzmi View Post
    Can you share the surnames from Plav and Petnjica?
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    distance: 0.01753688
    Ancient Greece/Balkans: 48.2
    Early Slavic: 24.6
    RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya: 14.8
    Levant_Megiddo_IA: 9.6
    MAR_Taforalt: 1
    CHN_Chuanyun_Historic: 1.2
    Yoruba: 0.6

  2. #162
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    T1a1l
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    E-CTS1273*

    Albania Kosovo
    Quote Originally Posted by XXD View Post
    As I am waiting from my WGS results, I've been analyzing my FTDNA 111 results. These are the only matches I have at 67 level (none at 111), all of which seem to be confined to northern Albania, Kosovo and Montenegro. The Montenegrins have Albanian surnames, which is indicative of their origin. The only Southern Albanian mentions his region as "Qopi", although that is probably a tribal name.

    My line has unusually high distances from other Albanians, so perhaps it might prove to be a previously undocumented one.

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    There are still some things I really do not understand about Albanian Z2103. This haplogroup has a TMRCA around 500 A.D. Correct me if I am wrong, but Albanian J2b and E-V13 are much older, so these are solidly paleo-Balkan markers. But if all of the Albanian population experienced a severe bottleneck in the 5th century, then I would expect all male haplogroups to show a TMRCA around that time, not just Z2103. I have no doubt that Z2103 expanded with early Albanians, but how certain are we that it is a paleo-Balkan marker? I read somewhere that there are unpublished samples from the Balkans that belonged to this line - can someone verify this?
    What can be said at the very least is that you are under R1b-Z2705>Y32147, placing your common ancestor ~1,300 ybp or during the early medieval period. In regards to the J2b or E-V13 clusters present among Albanians, the firmly Albanian clusters under those groups also show TMRCAs indicative of a bottleneck during this time period. Take for example the common J2b-PH1751 cluster which also has a TMRCA of ~1,300 ybp.
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241>BY32817 (Y179831)

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS1273*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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  4. #163
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    What can be said at the very least is that you are under R1b-Z2705>Y32147, placing your common ancestor ~1,300 ybp or during the early medieval period. In regards to the J2b or E-V13 clusters present among Albanians, the firmly Albanian clusters under those groups also show TMRCAs indicative of a bottleneck during this time period. Take for example the common J2b-PH1751 cluster which also has a TMRCA of ~1,300 ybp.
    Thank you very much for your answer! So Z2103 follows a similar historical trajectory with the other lineages. Good to know!
    distance: 0.01753688
    Ancient Greece/Balkans: 48.2
    Early Slavic: 24.6
    RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya: 14.8
    Levant_Megiddo_IA: 9.6
    MAR_Taforalt: 1
    CHN_Chuanyun_Historic: 1.2
    Yoruba: 0.6

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