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    Quote Originally Posted by lacreme View Post
    if I remember correctly you can see separately the ethnicity results and the matches, whatever you like first . With a quick look, my friend's list doesn't share anyone with his maternal granfather's list. As for the Gedmatch matches, his (grandfather) kit is not ready yet for one to many comparisons but on one to one test with my friend he doesn't have any shared SNPs ...
    That's likely a NPE type issue to be worked through then. Still, I wouldn't sound alarm bells until GEDmatch one to many confirms the same. Sometimes even 1 to 1 matching doesn't work with freshly uploaded kits. No need to worry until you can be sure you are looking at an NPE/bad kit upload/etc.

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    The name of the village is Tzetzevos or Tzetzevon and is prolly a Slavic word..Such toponyms took place with the arrival of Vlachs or Slavo-Vlachs.It is really hard to know specifically what populatons brought it but the oficcial name of the village is Cicevo.

    Cicevo is a village/small city in modern North Macedonia.I suspect a Vlach or ArvanitoVlach migration or something related with Slavic.


    https://www.google.com/maps/place/%C...2!4d20.9525065

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    The name of the city in Macedonian and other South Slavic languages is Kičevo (Кичево). The name of the city in Albanian is Krov. It was originally known as Uskana among its Illyrian inhabitants. The city was later renamed by Slavs who migrated to the region in the 7th century AD. It is presumed that the present name of the town originates from the name of this settlement populated by the Slavic Brsjaci tribe.[3]

    Kicevo was first mentioned as Uskana (Ωξάνα in Ancient Greek) in the reign of Perseus, king of Macedon during the Third Macedonian War (171-169 BC).[4] The next written record of the town did not come until 1018, under the name of Kitsabis or Kitsavis (sometimes slavicised as Kicavis), noted in one of the documents of the Byzantine emperor Basil II.[5] Under the rule of Prince Marko it was known as Katin Grad, because Marko's sister was named Katina.

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    The name of the city in Macedonian and other South Slavic languages is Kičevo (Кичево). The name of the city in Albanian is Krov. It was originally known as Uskana among its Illyrian inhabitants. The city was later renamed by Slavs who migrated to the region in the 7th century AD. It is presumed that the present name of the town originates from the name of this settlement populated by the Slavic Brsjaci tribe.[3]

    Kicevo was first mentioned as Uskana (Ωξάνα in Ancient Greek) in the reign of Perseus, king of Macedon during the Third Macedonian War (171-169 BC).[4] The next written record of the town did not come until 1018, under the name of Kitsabis or Kitsavis (sometimes slavicised as Kicavis), noted in one of the documents of the Byzantine emperor Basil II.[5] Under the rule of Prince Marko it was known as Katin Grad, because Marko's sister was named Katina.
    There is also Čečevo in Montenegro
    https://mapcarta.com/19021512

    as for the origin of the inhabitants, there is a great blog with a very through study about the percentage of Arvanites during the Greek revolution times in the areas of the first Greek state
    http://kleftouria.blogspot.com/2008/04/1821-4.html

    ...and it has this to say based on the used sources
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    Ο Φωτάκος (3):
    Προδοσία Νενέκου.
    Ὁ Θεόδωρος Κολοκοτρώνης διωρίσθη ὑπὸ τοῦ ἀρχιστρατήγουΤσιούρτς γενικὸς ἀρχηγὸς τῶν Πελοπονννησιακῶν ὅπλων. Ἐν δὲ τῇ Ἀχαΐᾳ τότε τὸ προσκύνημα εἶχε
    προχωρήσει, τῇ παρακινήσει τοῦ ἀναθεματισμένου Δημητρίου Νενέκου, καταγομένου ἀπὸ τὸ χωρίον Ζουμπάτα τῆς ἐπαρχίας Πατρῶν. Οἱ λοιποὶ ὅμως καπεταναῖοι καὶ
    σύντροφοί του, ἤτοι οἱ Κοντογεωργακαῖοι, ὁ Σταμάτης Μποτιώτης, ὁ Χαρμπίλας, ὁ Γκολφῖνος Λουμπεστιάνος, πολλοὶ Τσετσεβίται, ὁ Κώστας Γκερμπεσιώτης, οἱ Ἁγιοβλασίται
    ἀδελφοὶ Οἰκονομόπουλοι καὶ πολλοὶ ἄλλοι ἀπεσπάσθησαν ἀπὸ τὴν συντροφίαν των καὶ ἐπανῆλθαν εὐθὺς χωρὶς νὰ συγκοινωνήσουν μὲ τοὺς Τούρκους. Ἐν τούτοις
    ὅμως ὅλοι σχεδὸν οἱ Ἀλβανοὶ τῶν χωρίων ἐκείνων ἤγοντο καὶ ἐφέροντο ὑπὸ τοῦ Νενέκου. Αὐτὸς δὲ ὁ Νενέκος παλαιότερα, καὶ πρὶν προσκυνήσῃ εἰς τοὺς Τούρκους ἦτο
    ὑπὸ τὰς διαταγὰς τοῦ Βενιζέλου Ρούφου, διότι οἱ πρόκριτοι τῆς Ἀχαΐας δὲν παρῃτήθησαν ποτὲ ἀπὸ τὰ ὅπλα καὶ ἔνεκα τούτου εἰς τὴν ἐπαρχίαν ταύτην ὑπῆρχε πάντοτε
    δυσαρέσκειαν μεταξὺ τῶν προκρίτων καὶ τῶν κλεφτοκαπεταναίων,περὶ τῆς ὁποίας ἤδη θέλομεν διηγηθῆ ὅλαὅσα συνέβησαν.
    
    
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    δὲ Κολοκοτρώνηςπάλιν διὰ τὸ γενόμενον τοῦτον χωρισμὸν εἰς μὲν τὰς Πάτρας διώρισε τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς Κουμανιωταίους,εἰς δὲ τὰ Καλάβρυτα τὸν Β. Πετιμεζᾶν καὶ τοὺς λοιποὺς ἀδελφούς του, καὶ εἰς τὴν Βοστίτσαν πρῶτον μὲν τὸν Δημήτριον Μελετόπουλον, δεύτερον δὲ τὸν Ἰωάννην Φεϊζόπουλον. Οἱ διορισμοὶ αὐτοὶ βεβαίως δὲν ἦσαν ἀρεστοὶ εἰς τὴν φατρίαν τῶν ἀρχόντων, ὡς τοῦτο ἐφανερώθη ἔπειτα, διότι οἱ Ἀλβανοὶ καπεταναῖοι, καὶ
    ἰδίως ὁ Νενέκος, ὅστις καὶ ἀρχηγὸς ἐδείχθη ὅλων τῶν Τουρκοπροσκυνημένων, ἄρχισαν, ὡς εἴπαμεν, κρυφίως νὰ συνεννοῶνται μὲ τοὺς Τούρκους, οἱ δὲ προσκυνήσαντες
    δὲν ἦσαν καθώς τινες λέγουσι, γενικῶς αἱ τρεῖς ἐπαρχίαι τῶν Πατρῶν, τῶν Καλαβρύτων καὶ τὴς Βοστίτσας, ἀλλὰ μόνον ὀλίγα χωρία καὶ ὀλίγα ἄτομα, καὶ τοῦτο διὰ τὸν
    φόβον τῶν Ζουμπεταίων, διότι τὰ χωρία ταῦτα λέγονται Ζουμπατοχώρια, καὶ ἐπειδὴ ἐγνώριζαν τὴν Ἀλβανικὴν γλῶσσαν εὐκόλως συνεννοοῦντο καὶ ἐσυμβιβάζοντο μὲ
    τοὺς Τούρκους καὶ εὐκολώτερον μὲ τοὺς Λαλαίους. Εἰς τὴν Πελοπόννησον καθ᾿ ὅλας σχεδὸν τὰς ἐπαρχίας κατοικοῦν πρὸ πολλῶν χρόνων ποῦ μὲν πολλοί, ποῦ δὲ ὀλίγοι
    ἐκ τῆς φυλῆς τῶν Ἀλβανῶν, οἵτινες ἀκόμη καὶ σήμερον διασώζουν τὸ ξένον ἦθος, καὶ ἄσχετον μὲ τοὺς γνησίους Ἕλληνας. Οἱ δὲ ἄνθρωποι αὐτοὶ εὔκολα παραδίδονται εἰς
    τὴν ὕλην, καὶ διὰ νὰ αἰσχροκερδήσουν προδίδουν τὰ πάντα.Τοιοῦτοι ἦσαν οἱ Ἕλληνες, οἵτινες παρεκινήθησαν ἀπὸ τὸν Δελῆ Ἀχμὲτ πασᾶν εἰς τὸ προσκύνημα· τὸν Τοῦρκον
    τοῦτον, τοῦ ὁποῖου ἡ πονηρία, καὶ ἡ μεγάλη του κολακεία ἑνώθησαν μὲ την πλεονεξίαν τοῦ Νενέκου καὶ ἐτεχνάσθησαν μυρίους τρόπους καὶ μέσα ὅπως διαδώσουν τὸ προσκύνημα.
    
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    (Για τον Νενέκο)
    Διὰ δὲ τὴν ἀνδρείαν, τὴν ὁποίαν ἔδειξεν εἰς τὰς μάχας ἀπέκτησεν ὑπόληψιν παληκαριοῦ,
    καὶ μεγάλην ἐπιρροὴν εἰς τοὺς Ἀλβανοὺς τῶν μερῶν ἐκείνων τῆς ἐπαρχίας Πατρῶν, καὶ ἔκτοτε πλέον ἔκαμεν ἔργον τὸ προσκύνημα. Οἱ δὲ Τοῦρκοι ἀφοῦ εἶδαν αὐτὸν πιστόν, τὸν ἐδέχθησαν, τὸν ἐκολάκευσαν τοῦ ἔδωκαν χρήματα καὶ ἄλλας πολλὰς ὠφελείας, τοῦ ἐχάρισαν ἄλογα καλά, ὑπεσχέθησαν γαίας καὶ ἀσυδοσίαν πρὸς αὐτὸν καὶ εἰς ὅλην τὴν γενεάν του κληρονομικῶς. Ὁ δὲ Ἰμβραὴμ προσέτι ἐπροκάλεσε καὶ φερμάνι παρὰ τοῦ Σουλτάνου, διὰ τοῦ ὁποίου ὠνομάσθη Μπέης  Νενέκος.
    
    Με το προσκύνημα λοιπόν των αρβανιτοχωρίων της Πάτρας άρχισαν οι Αρβανίτες να κατεβαίνουν από τα χωριά τους και να εκμεταλλεύονται τους ντόπιους.
    Σελ.401
     ἐπῆγεν ἕνα φόρτωμα ξύλα εἰς τὴν Πάτραν καὶ τὰ ἐπώλησε τέσσερα μπαρμπούτια. Ἄλλος δὲ πάλιν ἔλεγεν, ὅτι ὁ δεῖνα ἕνα ζευγάρι κοττόπουλα, καὶ τὰ ἔδωκε πέντε μπαρμπούτια, καὶ τέλος ἄλλος τοῦ ἄλλου διηγεῖτο πολλὰς ὠφελείας τοιουτοτρόπως, ὥστε τὰ ἐκεῖ Ἀλβανικὰ χωρία ἐτόλμησαν καὶ μετέφεραν ὅλα τὰ πρόβατά των πλησίον τοῦ φρουρίου τῆς πόλεως, ὅπου ηὗραν πολλὴν καὶ καλὴν βοσκήν, διότι ὁ τόπος ἦτο πολλὰ χρόνια χωρὶς ζῶα καὶ ἀπάτητος. Τοῦτο δὲ ἦτο πολὺ ὠφέλιμον εἰς τοὺς προσκυνήσαντας, καὶ ἐπροθυμοῦντο ποῖος ἐξ αύτῶν πρῶτος νὰ πλησιάσῃ τὴν στάνην του διὰ νὰ πωλῇ τὸ γάλα, καὶ ὅλην τὴν νομὴν τῶν προβάτων του περισσότερον. Ἐκτὸς δὲ τούτου, καὶ τὰ γυναικόπαιδά των ἀκόμη καὶ αὐτὰ κατέβησαν εἰς τὸν κάμπον, διότι ὁ Νενέκος τοὺς ὑπεσχέθη νὰ τοὺς δίδῃ σπόρον, καὶ τὰ ἄλλα χρήσιμα διὰ νὰ γεωργοῦν τὴν γῆν. Οὕτω δὲ τότε οἱ Τοῦρκοι εἶχαν τούτους τοὺς προσκυνήσαντας ῥαγιάδες πραγματικούς, καὶ ὁ Δελῆ Ἀχμὲτ πασᾶς ἐξέδωκεν αὐστηρὰν διαταγήν, ὥστε κανεὶς Τοῦρκος νὰ μὴ πειράξῃ ῥαγιάν καὶ γεννηθῇ τὸ παραμικρὸν παράπονον, διότι ὁ Τοῦρκος αὐτὸς θὰ ᾖναι πάραυτα κρεμασμένος, καὶ διὰ νὰ ἐνθαρρύνῃ τοὺς ῥαγιάδες περισσότερον ἐσύναξεν ὅλους τοὺς ἄνδρας καὶ τοὺς ἔκαμε στρατιώτας ὑπὸ μισθόν.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lacreme View Post
    There is also Čečevo in Montenegro
    https://mapcarta.com/19021512

    as for the origin of the inhabitants, there is a great blog with a very through study about the percentage of Arvanites during the Greek revolution times in the areas of the first Greek state
    http://kleftouria.blogspot.com/2008/04/1821-4.html

    ...and it has this to say based on the used sources
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    Ο Φωτάκος (3):
    Προδοσία Νενέκου.
    Ὁ Θεόδωρος Κολοκοτρώνης διωρίσθη ὑπὸ τοῦ ἀρχιστρατήγουΤσιούρτς γενικὸς ἀρχηγὸς τῶν Πελοπονννησιακῶν ὅπλων. Ἐν δὲ τῇ Ἀχαΐᾳ τότε τὸ προσκύνημα εἶχε
    προχωρήσει, τῇ παρακινήσει τοῦ ἀναθεματισμένου Δημητρίου Νενέκου, καταγομένου ἀπὸ τὸ χωρίον Ζουμπάτα τῆς ἐπαρχίας Πατρῶν. Οἱ λοιποὶ ὅμως καπεταναῖοι καὶ
    σύντροφοί του, ἤτοι οἱ Κοντογεωργακαῖοι, ὁ Σταμάτης Μποτιώτης, ὁ Χαρμπίλας, ὁ Γκολφῖνος Λουμπεστιάνος, πολλοὶ Τσετσεβίται, ὁ Κώστας Γκερμπεσιώτης, οἱ Ἁγιοβλασίται
    ἀδελφοὶ Οἰκονομόπουλοι καὶ πολλοὶ ἄλλοι ἀπεσπάσθησαν ἀπὸ τὴν συντροφίαν των καὶ ἐπανῆλθαν εὐθὺς χωρὶς νὰ συγκοινωνήσουν μὲ τοὺς Τούρκους. Ἐν τούτοις
    ὅμως ὅλοι σχεδὸν οἱ Ἀλβανοὶ τῶν χωρίων ἐκείνων ἤγοντο καὶ ἐφέροντο ὑπὸ τοῦ Νενέκου. Αὐτὸς δὲ ὁ Νενέκος παλαιότερα, καὶ πρὶν προσκυνήσῃ εἰς τοὺς Τούρκους ἦτο
    ὑπὸ τὰς διαταγὰς τοῦ Βενιζέλου Ρούφου, διότι οἱ πρόκριτοι τῆς Ἀχαΐας δὲν παρῃτήθησαν ποτὲ ἀπὸ τὰ ὅπλα καὶ ἔνεκα τούτου εἰς τὴν ἐπαρχίαν ταύτην ὑπῆρχε πάντοτε
    δυσαρέσκειαν μεταξὺ τῶν προκρίτων καὶ τῶν κλεφτοκαπεταναίων,περὶ τῆς ὁποίας ἤδη θέλομεν διηγηθῆ ὅλαὅσα συνέβησαν.
    …
    …
    ὁ
    δὲ Κολοκοτρώνηςπάλιν διὰ τὸ γενόμενον τοῦτον χωρισμὸν εἰς μὲν τὰς Πάτρας διώρισε τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς Κουμανιωταίους,εἰς δὲ τὰ Καλάβρυτα τὸν Β. Πετιμεζᾶν καὶ τοὺς λοιποὺς ἀδελφούς του, καὶ εἰς τὴν Βοστίτσαν πρῶτον μὲν τὸν Δημήτριον Μελετόπουλον, δεύτερον δὲ τὸν Ἰωάννην Φεϊζόπουλον. Οἱ διορισμοὶ αὐτοὶ βεβαίως δὲν ἦσαν ἀρεστοὶ εἰς τὴν φατρίαν τῶν ἀρχόντων, ὡς τοῦτο ἐφανερώθη ἔπειτα, διότι οἱ Ἀλβανοὶ καπεταναῖοι, καὶ
    ἰδίως ὁ Νενέκος, ὅστις καὶ ἀρχηγὸς ἐδείχθη ὅλων τῶν Τουρκοπροσκυνημένων, ἄρχισαν, ὡς εἴπαμεν, κρυφίως νὰ συνεννοῶνται μὲ τοὺς Τούρκους, οἱ δὲ προσκυνήσαντες
    δὲν ἦσαν καθώς τινες λέγουσι, γενικῶς αἱ τρεῖς ἐπαρχίαι τῶν Πατρῶν, τῶν Καλαβρύτων καὶ τὴς Βοστίτσας, ἀλλὰ μόνον ὀλίγα χωρία καὶ ὀλίγα ἄτομα, καὶ τοῦτο διὰ τὸν
    φόβον τῶν Ζουμπεταίων, διότι τὰ χωρία ταῦτα λέγονται Ζουμπατοχώρια, καὶ ἐπειδὴ ἐγνώριζαν τὴν Ἀλβανικὴν γλῶσσαν εὐκόλως συνεννοοῦντο καὶ ἐσυμβιβάζοντο μὲ
    τοὺς Τούρκους καὶ εὐκολώτερον μὲ τοὺς Λαλαίους. Εἰς τὴν Πελοπόννησον καθ᾿ ὅλας σχεδὸν τὰς ἐπαρχίας κατοικοῦν πρὸ πολλῶν χρόνων ποῦ μὲν πολλοί, ποῦ δὲ ὀλίγοι
    ἐκ τῆς φυλῆς τῶν Ἀλβανῶν, οἵτινες ἀκόμη καὶ σήμερον διασώζουν τὸ ξένον ἦθος, καὶ ἄσχετον μὲ τοὺς γνησίους Ἕλληνας. Οἱ δὲ ἄνθρωποι αὐτοὶ εὔκολα παραδίδονται εἰς
    τὴν ὕλην, καὶ διὰ νὰ αἰσχροκερδήσουν προδίδουν τὰ πάντα.Τοιοῦτοι ἦσαν οἱ Ἕλληνες, οἵτινες παρεκινήθησαν ἀπὸ τὸν Δελῆ Ἀχμὲτ πασᾶν εἰς τὸ προσκύνημα· τὸν Τοῦρκον
    τοῦτον, τοῦ ὁποῖου ἡ πονηρία, καὶ ἡ μεγάλη του κολακεία ἑνώθησαν μὲ την πλεονεξίαν τοῦ Νενέκου καὶ ἐτεχνάσθησαν μυρίους τρόπους καὶ μέσα ὅπως διαδώσουν τὸ προσκύνημα.
    
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    (Για τον Νενέκο…)
    Διὰ δὲ τὴν ἀνδρείαν, τὴν ὁποίαν ἔδειξεν εἰς τὰς μάχας ἀπέκτησεν ὑπόληψιν παληκαριοῦ,
    καὶ μεγάλην ἐπιρροὴν εἰς τοὺς Ἀλβανοὺς τῶν μερῶν ἐκείνων τῆς ἐπαρχίας Πατρῶν, καὶ ἔκτοτε πλέον ἔκαμεν ἔργον τὸ προσκύνημα. Οἱ δὲ Τοῦρκοι ἀφοῦ εἶδαν αὐτὸν πιστόν, τὸν ἐδέχθησαν, τὸν ἐκολάκευσαν τοῦ ἔδωκαν χρήματα καὶ ἄλλας πολλὰς ὠφελείας, τοῦ ἐχάρισαν ἄλογα καλά, ὑπεσχέθησαν γαίας καὶ ἀσυδοσίαν πρὸς αὐτὸν καὶ εἰς ὅλην τὴν γενεάν του κληρονομικῶς. Ὁ δὲ Ἰμβραὴμ προσέτι ἐπροκάλεσε καὶ φερμάνι παρὰ τοῦ Σουλτάνου, διὰ τοῦ ὁποίου ὠνομάσθη Μπέης – Νενέκος.
    
    Με το προσκύνημα λοιπόν των αρβανιτοχωρίων της Πάτρας άρχισαν οι Αρβανίτες να κατεβαίνουν από τα χωριά τους και να εκμεταλλεύονται τους ντόπιους….
    Σελ.401
    … ἐπῆγεν ἕνα φόρτωμα ξύλα εἰς τὴν Πάτραν καὶ τὰ ἐπώλησε τέσσερα μπαρμπούτια. Ἄλλος δὲ πάλιν ἔλεγεν, ὅτι ὁ δεῖνα ἕνα ζευγάρι κοττόπουλα, καὶ τὰ ἔδωκε πέντε μπαρμπούτια, καὶ τέλος ἄλλος τοῦ ἄλλου διηγεῖτο πολλὰς ὠφελείας τοιουτοτρόπως, ὥστε τὰ ἐκεῖ Ἀλβανικὰ χωρία ἐτόλμησαν καὶ μετέφεραν ὅλα τὰ πρόβατά των πλησίον τοῦ φρουρίου τῆς πόλεως, ὅπου ηὗραν πολλὴν καὶ καλὴν βοσκήν, διότι ὁ τόπος ἦτο πολλὰ χρόνια χωρὶς ζῶα καὶ ἀπάτητος. Τοῦτο δὲ ἦτο πολὺ ὠφέλιμον εἰς τοὺς προσκυνήσαντας, καὶ ἐπροθυμοῦντο ποῖος ἐξ αύτῶν πρῶτος νὰ πλησιάσῃ τὴν στάνην του διὰ νὰ πωλῇ τὸ γάλα, καὶ ὅλην τὴν νομὴν τῶν προβάτων του περισσότερον. Ἐκτὸς δὲ τούτου, καὶ τὰ γυναικόπαιδά των ἀκόμη καὶ αὐτὰ κατέβησαν εἰς τὸν κάμπον, διότι ὁ Νενέκος τοὺς ὑπεσχέθη νὰ τοὺς δίδῃ σπόρον, καὶ τὰ ἄλλα χρήσιμα διὰ νὰ γεωργοῦν τὴν γῆν. Οὕτω δὲ τότε οἱ Τοῦρκοι εἶχαν τούτους τοὺς προσκυνήσαντας ῥαγιάδες πραγματικούς, καὶ ὁ Δελῆ Ἀχμὲτ πασᾶς ἐξέδωκεν αὐστηρὰν διαταγήν, ὥστε κανεὶς Τοῦρκος νὰ μὴ πειράξῃ ῥαγιάν καὶ γεννηθῇ τὸ παραμικρὸν παράπονον, διότι ὁ Τοῦρκος αὐτὸς θὰ ᾖναι πάραυτα κρεμασμένος, καὶ διὰ νὰ ἐνθαρρύνῃ τοὺς ῥαγιάδες περισσότερον ἐσύναξεν ὅλους τοὺς ἄνδρας καὶ τοὺς ἔκαμε στρατιώτας ὑπὸ μισθόν.


    I see.Might be Arvanites or ArvanitoVlachs.Or maybe the village settled first by some type of Slavic folks and then later Arvanites arrived.Anyways,most toponyms in mainland Greece are like this pretty much ...its stupid to trying to found to whom its belong.I would sugget you to buy coordinates for G25(it will help a lot) and ofc to unlock the lineage of R1b if its possible,its worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    I see.Might be Arvanites or ArvanitoVlachs.Or maybe the village settled first by some type of Slavic folks and then later Arvanites arrived.Anyways,most toponyms in mainland Greece are like that pretty much ...its stupid to trying to found to whom its belong.I would sugget you to buy coordinates for G25(it will help a lot) and ofc to unlock the lineage of R1b if its possible,its worth it.
    His lineage is from Lamia. He said he is 1/8 from Lamia from his paternal line. His autosomal though indicates higher both Barcin and Steppe than what a typical Peloponnesian scores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xripkan View Post
    His lineage is from Lamia. He said he is 1/8 from Lamia from his paternal line. His autosomal though indicates higher both Barcin and Steppe than what a typical Peloponnesian scores.
    Oups yes.I forgot his Lamia part.I think people from North Peloponnesus are a little bit closer to central and western Greeks.But Peloponnesus in general is not a homogenous area.We should not categorize a big province into to a specific genetic clushter.Sometimes it depends individual.Also there are Peloponnesians with high Barcin we have seen the G25 samples for example being quite ANF admixed.So,his lineage have to do with the area of Lamia.That is making it more complicated since Lamia is not a village.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    I see.Might be Arvanites or ArvanitoVlachs.Or maybe the village settled first by some type of Slavic folks and then later Arvanites arrived.Anyways,most toponyms in mainland Greece are like this pretty much ...its stupid to trying to found to whom its belong.I would sugget you to buy coordinates for G25(it will help a lot) and ofc to unlock the lineage of R1b if its possible,its worth it.
    The Greek toponyms are quite messy... for example the birthplace of this person,one of the 7 tsetsevochoria,had a slavic name until recently...yet it's probably a relatively recent settlement established in the 18th century at the earliest. The name obviously an indirect influence either through their dialect or from possible migrants from other parts of the country, definitely one given long after any original slavs were absorbed in the general population.

    He already bought the G25 coordinates but he doesn't have them yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    Oups yes.I forgot his Lamia part.I think people from North Peloponnesus are a little bit closer to central and western Greeks.But Peloponnesus in general is not a homogenous area.We should not categorize a big province into to a specific genetic clushter.Sometimes it depends individual.Also there are Peloponnesians with high Barcin we have seen the G25 samples for example being quite ANF admixed.So,his lineage have to do with the area of Lamia.That is making it more complicated since Lamia is not a village.
    Somewhere around Lamia , not from Lamia necessarily
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    Slavic toponyms don't exclude Arvanite origins. For example in the wider region of Souli in Epirus many non Greek toponyms (before the Metaxas reform) were of Slavic origin, yet none there spoke Slavic. Nevertheless, the genetical Slavic input might be higher than we think. The only place in Greece where orthodox Slavs preserved their language, is Macedonia. Everywhere else they were linguistically assimilated long before the foundation of the modern Greek state. Actually we know nothing about them. It is very much possible that Slavs were not only Hellenized but also Albanized (within Greece).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chatzianastasoglou View Post
    Slavic toponyms don't exclude Arvanite origins. For example in the wider region of Souli in Epirus many non Greek toponyms (before the Metaxas reform) were of Slavic origin, yet none there spoke Slavic. Nevertheless, the genetical Slavic input might be higher than we think. The only place in Greece where orthodox Slavs preserved their language, is Macedonia. Everywhere else they were linguistically assimilated long before the foundation of the modern Greek state. Actually we know nothing about them. It is very much possible that Slavs were not only Hellenized but also Albanized (within Greece).
    More precisely, all today's Europeans were IE from the South Slavs through their participation in their gene pool and their cultural influence.

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