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    Additional Modern Greek Averages

    Davidski has kindly processed the Greek samples found in this study.

    The individual samples might be a bit noisy due to lower coverage but the averages seem to have turned out quite well.



    Scaled Averages
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    Cappadocia,0.111091,0.141463,-0.0413701,-0.0611442,-0.0152952,-0.0183789,0.00270262,-0.00385369,-0.0186526,0.00942161,0.00311786,0.00320715,-0.00279482,0.00597282,-0.00971757,-0.00574113,0.000495459,0.00292651,0.00597066,-0.00392688,0.000935849,0.00479773,-0.00368511,-0.000626595,0.00193995
    Crete,0.108094,0.145403,-0.0142374,-0.045017,0.0069019,-0.0152324,0.00228409,-0.00191608,-0.00252782,0.0128732,0.00204172,0.00143468,-0.00185909,0.00392302,-0.0114646,-0.00210803,0.00505861,0.000959417,0.00381896,-0.00480989,-0.0043743,0.000836393,0.000817035,0.00176957,-0.001659
    Dodecanese,0.105969,0.146135,-0.0244374,-0.0567514,0.00218502,-0.0183789,0.00380717,-0.0042229,-0.00280198,0.0166564,0.0048067,0.00206816,-0.00448955,-0.000564253,-0.0123505,-0.00127286,0.00329872,0.00501687,0.0058701,-0.00475228,-0.0043049,-0.000964491,0.000345094,-0.000867593,-0.00341287
    East_Rumelia,0.120368,0.142259,0.0156819,-0.0158271,0.0155157,-0.00411364,0.00460229,0.00105765,-0.0052324,0.011739,0.0023005,-0.000849244,-0.00204408,0.00708757,-0.0147483,0.000729243,0.0119845,-0.000506754,0.00327862,-0.00393939,-0.00442968,-0.00165901,0.00190007,0.000401663,-0.00149687
    Macedonia,0.121563,0.142851,0.0134758,-0.0164946,0.0188958,-0.00487129,0.00294547,0.0028768,-4.09048e-05,0.0121734,0.00197031,0.00128885,-0.0023092,0.0103217,-0.0153364,-0.00624939,0.00184276,0.000658781,0.00698043,-0.00525252,-0.00651351,0.000412176,0.00241566,-0.00103629,-0.000598749
    Peloponnese,0.117238,0.144686,0.0077409,-0.0272171,0.0200685,-0.0102162,0.00371069,0.000242905,0.00236817,0.0134279,0.00467508,0.000386498,-0.0010015,0.00516447,-0.0157221,-0.000125611,0.00562024,0.00112686,0.0059475,-0.00498924,-0.00628496,0.000527151,0.00419691,0.00119231,-0.00160717
    SE_Laconia,0.114677,0.149029,0.00320553,-0.0369837,0.0210039,-0.0098309,0.000822537,-0.00190377,0.00598232,0.0143511,0.00304478,-0.00108653,-0.00133795,0.00602099,-0.0145221,0.00527044,0.0135599,0.00186866,0.000314245,-0.00397065,-0.0030883,0.00250397,0.00539209,0.00469946,-0.00302368
    Unscaled Averages
     

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    Cappadocia,0.00976,0.01393,-0.01097,-0.01893,-0.00497,-0.00659,0.00115,-0.00167,-0.00912,0.00517,0.00192,0.00214,-0.00188,0.00434,-0.00716,-0.00433,0.00038,0.00231,0.00475,-0.00314,0.00075,0.00388,-0.00299,-0.00052,0.00162
    Crete,0.00949663,0.014318,-0.00377528,-0.0139371,0.0022427,-0.0054618,0.00097191,-0.000830337,-0.00123596,0.00706404,0.0012573,0.000957303,-0.00125056,0.00285056,-0.00844719,-0.00158989,0.00387978,0.000757303,0.0030382,-0.00384607,-0.00350562,0.000676404,0.000662921,0.00146854,-0.00138539
    Denmark,0.0114825,0.013325,0.01756,0.0161225,0.0133325,0.0069725,0.0024675,0.0034225,0.0015175,-0.0018875,-0.0033725,0.00274,-0.005835,-0.00461,0.0139325,0.0041875,-0.0052525,0.0017275,0.00204,0.003115,0.0045075,0.001545,0.00039,0.0115025,-1.5e-05
    Dodecanese,0.00931,0.01439,-0.00648,-0.01757,0.00071,-0.00659,0.00162,-0.00183,-0.00137,0.00914,0.00296,0.00138,-0.00302,-0.00041,-0.0091,-0.00096,0.00253,0.00396,0.00467,-0.0038,-0.00345,-0.00078,0.00028,-0.00072,-0.00285
    East_Rumelia,0.010575,0.0140083,0.00415833,-0.0049,0.00504167,-0.001475,0.00195833,0.000458333,-0.00255833,0.00644167,0.00141667,-0.000566667,-0.001375,0.00515,-0.0108667,0.00055,0.00919167,-0.0004,0.00260833,-0.00315,-0.00355,-0.00134167,0.00154167,0.000333333,-0.00125
    Macedonia,0.01068,0.0140667,0.00357333,-0.00510667,0.00614,-0.00174667,0.00125333,0.00124667,-2e-05,0.00668,0.00121333,0.00086,-0.00155333,0.0075,-0.0113,-0.00471333,0.00141333,0.00052,0.00555333,-0.0042,-0.00522,0.000333333,0.00196,-0.00086,-0.0005
    Peloponnese,0.0103,0.0142474,0.00205263,-0.00842632,0.00652105,-0.00366316,0.00157895,0.000105263,0.00115789,0.00736842,0.00287895,0.000257895,-0.000673684,0.00375263,-0.0115842,-9.47368e-05,0.00431053,0.000889474,0.00473158,-0.00398947,-0.00503684,0.000426316,0.00340526,0.000989474,-0.00134211
    SE_Laconia,0.010075,0.014675,0.00085,-0.01145,0.006825,-0.003525,0.00035,-0.000825,0.002925,0.007875,0.001875,-0.000725,-0.0009,0.004375,-0.0107,0.003975,0.0104,0.001475,0.00025,-0.003175,-0.002475,0.002025,0.004375,0.0039,-0.002525


    Bonus Scaled Denmark, Irish and Serbia Averages
     

    Code:
    Denmark,0.130697,0.135319,0.0662224,0.0520759,0.0410308,0.0194457,0.00579889,0.00789775,0.00310365,-0.00343971,-0.00547655,0.00410635,-0.00867435,-0.00634441,0.0189092,0.00555219,-0.00684842,0.00218855,0.00256424,0.00389562,0.00562445,0.00191043,0.000480666,0.0138604,-1.79625e-05
    Ireland,0.133227,0.131729,0.0614168,0.0507266,0.0361093,0.0207309,0.00418543,0.00452728,0.00489883,0.00354059,-0.00645687,0.00655131,-0.0136202,-0.014529,0.0277257,0.00641481,-0.0113682,0.000947148,0.000131684,0.00310863,0.00493177,0.00144262,0.00227128,0.0133123,-0.000575939
    Serbia,0.127545,0.137096,0.0408547,0.0151093,0.0319547,0.00503553,0.00515718,0.00685869,-0.00182935,-0.000739069,-0.0026343,-0.00140708,0.00317143,0.012539,-0.0128859,0.000456697,0.00343345,0.000830514,0.00419692,-0.00175779,-0.00845037,-0.00168305,0.00476558,0.00021422,-0.00177629


    Here are the full individual files:

    eigenvectors.txt
    eigenvectors_scaled.txt
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    23abc_AncestryDNA_scaled,0.110408,0.151314,-0.0290383,-0.0507112,0.0018465,-0.0156179,-0.00305514,-0.00138456,-0.00899905,0.00911181,0.00243583,-0.00149867,-0.00431116,0.00344057,-0.00773606,0.00106072,0.00195576,0.00152026,0.00251396,-0.00550264,-0.00786113,-0.00197844,0.0025882,0.00168699,0.000957998

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    So all the Dodecanese are from just Rhodes? Still great regardless. A lot of them have very little EHG for Southern Europeans, I'm impressed by that.

    This is how my mum fares with the new sample averages (removed Western Jews)

    Distance to: Seabass_Mum
    0.03418072 Maltese
    0.03522945 Italian_Calabria
    0.03557991 Italian_Campania
    0.03567690 Greek_Kos
    0.03684073 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.03864204 Cypriot
    0.03955266 Greek_Crete
    0.04135785 Sicilian_East
    0.04162966 Italian_Basilicata
    0.04290545 Italian_Apulia
    0.04395828 Sicilian_West
    0.04672466 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.05103809 Italian_Molise
    0.05116369 Druze
    0.05170755 Italian_Lazio
    0.05192033 Karaite_Egypt
    0.05219636 Greek_Izmir
    0.05265114 Lebanese_Christian
    0.05285617 Lebanese_Druze
    0.05376085 Greek_Laconia
    0.05511576 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.05565083 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.05707846 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.05806292 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.05818824 Italian_Umbria

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    EDIT: I misread the paper and thought the capital cities listed were actually where the samples came from. We can't assume the Dodecanese are from Rhodes or that the Cretans are from Heraklion. Sorry for any confusion!
    Last edited by 23abc; 11-21-2020 at 05:23 PM. Reason: Mistake made.
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    23abc_AncestryDNA_scaled,0.110408,0.151314,-0.0290383,-0.0507112,0.0018465,-0.0156179,-0.00305514,-0.00138456,-0.00899905,0.00911181,0.00243583,-0.00149867,-0.00431116,0.00344057,-0.00773606,0.00106072,0.00195576,0.00152026,0.00251396,-0.00550264,-0.00786113,-0.00197844,0.0025882,0.00168699,0.000957998

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    It's very interesting that they all get the equivalent G25 reference (apart from East_Rumelia which has no equivalent) as their first matches, proving the consistency of Davidski's lists. Another slap for those who like to challenge the validity of his work.

    Can you also list the total number of samples contributing to each average?

    Edit: I just saw the .txt files, doh

    Tx!
    Last edited by dosas; 11-21-2020 at 07:41 AM.
    55.8% Greek Central Macedonia + 44.2% Greek Trabzon @ 1.46

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    These results showing clearly that even Mainland Greece varies and its not an 100% homogenous area. Peloponnese samples showing clearly a variation.

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    2020-11-21 07_18_59--1.png

    Greek Cappadocians are mostly native Bronze Age Anatolian. Also, those from Kayiseri were Turkophone..but east eurasian genes totally asbent.

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    The Pontic Greek samples will be up upload?

    From this paper i mean, there are Some samples from Pontus i guess.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718
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    Two simple PCA's:

     




     


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    23abc_AncestryDNA_scaled,0.110408,0.151314,-0.0290383,-0.0507112,0.0018465,-0.0156179,-0.00305514,-0.00138456,-0.00899905,0.00911181,0.00243583,-0.00149867,-0.00431116,0.00344057,-0.00773606,0.00106072,0.00195576,0.00152026,0.00251396,-0.00550264,-0.00786113,-0.00197844,0.0025882,0.00168699,0.000957998

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    Great work!
    Can you add to the PCAs my friend and the substracted model that Xripkan provided too? if it's possible and not too time consuming of course

    Chris_scaled,0.114961,0.146236,-0.007165,-0.030685,0.012002,-0.008646,0.003055,0.000923,-0.003068,0.016583,0.00065,0.006145,-0.002973,0.000413,-0.013301,0.001989,0.005998,0.000887,0.001257,-0.004377,-0.011979,-0.005688,-0.00419,0.00253,-0.004311

    Chris-25PeloponneseN=8,0.114249467,0.146912912,-0.012208922,-0.032165413,0.009975927,-0.008704204,0.003289987,0.001624843,-0.004295188,0.016673937,0.000724611 ,0.007200442,-0.001932333,-0.002310756,-0.012560366,0.003994541,0.007225863,0.001071852,-0.000298515,-0.003584993,-0.013829926,-0.008387748,-0.007152935 ,0.00236917,-0.00538873

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    Peloponnese is a bit more northern shifted.


    Distance ratio: ( AC / BC ) ↑
    A: Peloponnese
    B: Greek_Peloponnese
    C: ↴
    0.68308204 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.70978952 Albanian
    0.71053897 Greek_Thessaly
    0.80599333 Gagauz
    0.83285155 Bulgarian
    0.83733864 Macedonian
    0.85454660 Italian_Piedmont
    0.85546875 Romanian
    0.85690503 Serbian
    0.86162397 Swiss_Italian
    0.86178352 Italian_Marche
    0.87134028 Italian_Northeast
    0.87170643 Italian_Liguria
    0.87904357 Italian_Veneto
    0.88036339 Montenegrin
    0.88117118 Moldovan
    0.88677582 Italian_Lombardy
    0.88788929 Italian_Bergamo
    0.88798388 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.89331181 Bosnian
    0.89399427 Sicilian_West
    0.89876866 Croatian
    0.90311384 Italian_Tuscany
    0.90487252 French_Provence
    0.90523085 Hungarian


    Distance ratio: ( AC / BC ) ↓
    A: Peloponnese
    B: Greek_Peloponnese
    C: ↴
    1.44475594 Greek_Izmir
    1.17496921 Greek_Kos
    1.12387490 Italian_Calabria
    1.12034339 Italian_Basilicata
    1.10985126 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    1.10240863 Italian_Campania
    1.08676081 Greek_Crete
    1.07044598 Cypriot
    1.06669191 Turkish_Trabzon
    1.06289010 Greek_Trabzon
    1.06094166 Armenian_Hemsheni
    1.05875593 Italian_Apulia
    1.05717027 Georgian_Laz
    1.05296623 Armenian
    1.05068076 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    1.05020846 Romaniote_Jew
    1.04931925 Druze
    1.04634886 Georgian_Jew
    1.04451002 Turkish_East
    1.04441314 Turkish_Kayseri
    1.04407289 Assyrian
    1.04229347 Lebanese_Druze
    1.04053900 Lebanese_Christian
    1.04000676 Georgian_Imer
    1.03973761 Mountain_Jew

    Interestingly the new Macedonian samples seem less Steppe admixed and more West Asian


    Distance ratio: ( AC / BC ) ↑
    A: Macedonia
    B: Greek_Central_Macedonia
    C: ↴
    0.85958574 Greek_Thessaly
    0.93408589 Gagauz
    0.94523876 Sicilian_East
    0.95315898 Greek_Crete
    0.95560223 Italian_Liguria
    0.96251863 Italian_Apulia
    0.96406902 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    0.96614181 Italian_Lombardy
    0.96723614 Azeri_Turkey
    0.96901655 Ashkenazi_Poland
    0.96919079 Sicilian_West
    0.97072511 Greek_Trabzon
    0.97397780 Armenian
    0.97408049 Turkish_Trabzon
    0.97450397 Sephardic_Jew
    0.97521189 Georgian_Imer
    0.97574305 Italian_Marche
    0.97621780 Turkish_Kayseri
    0.97648219 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.97700091 Georgian_Laz
    0.97734961 Ossetian
    0.97820023 Turkish_Istanbul
    0.97824025 Azeri_Dagestan
    0.97858357 Ingushian
    0.97881477 Kabardin

    The samples from Neapoli are Aegean shifted with low East European-like. Very close to pre-Slavic Peloponnesians.


    Distance: 1.9739% / 0.01973924
    Target: SE_Laconia
    60.8 Italian_Apulia
    28.4 Greek_Kos
    10.8 Belarusian



    Distance: 1.7461% / 0.01746128
    Target: SE_Laconia
    74.7 Greek_Izmir
    22.0 Italian_Apulia
    3.3 Belarusian

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