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    Additional Modern Greek Averages

    Davidski has kindly processed the Greek samples found in this study.

    The individual samples might be a bit noisy due to lower coverage but the averages seem to have turned out quite well.



    Scaled Averages
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    Cappadocia,0.111091,0.141463,-0.0413701,-0.0611442,-0.0152952,-0.0183789,0.00270262,-0.00385369,-0.0186526,0.00942161,0.00311786,0.00320715,-0.00279482,0.00597282,-0.00971757,-0.00574113,0.000495459,0.00292651,0.00597066,-0.00392688,0.000935849,0.00479773,-0.00368511,-0.000626595,0.00193995
    Crete,0.108094,0.145403,-0.0142374,-0.045017,0.0069019,-0.0152324,0.00228409,-0.00191608,-0.00252782,0.0128732,0.00204172,0.00143468,-0.00185909,0.00392302,-0.0114646,-0.00210803,0.00505861,0.000959417,0.00381896,-0.00480989,-0.0043743,0.000836393,0.000817035,0.00176957,-0.001659
    Dodecanese,0.105969,0.146135,-0.0244374,-0.0567514,0.00218502,-0.0183789,0.00380717,-0.0042229,-0.00280198,0.0166564,0.0048067,0.00206816,-0.00448955,-0.000564253,-0.0123505,-0.00127286,0.00329872,0.00501687,0.0058701,-0.00475228,-0.0043049,-0.000964491,0.000345094,-0.000867593,-0.00341287
    East_Rumelia,0.120368,0.142259,0.0156819,-0.0158271,0.0155157,-0.00411364,0.00460229,0.00105765,-0.0052324,0.011739,0.0023005,-0.000849244,-0.00204408,0.00708757,-0.0147483,0.000729243,0.0119845,-0.000506754,0.00327862,-0.00393939,-0.00442968,-0.00165901,0.00190007,0.000401663,-0.00149687
    Macedonia,0.121563,0.142851,0.0134758,-0.0164946,0.0188958,-0.00487129,0.00294547,0.0028768,-4.09048e-05,0.0121734,0.00197031,0.00128885,-0.0023092,0.0103217,-0.0153364,-0.00624939,0.00184276,0.000658781,0.00698043,-0.00525252,-0.00651351,0.000412176,0.00241566,-0.00103629,-0.000598749
    Peloponnese,0.117238,0.144686,0.0077409,-0.0272171,0.0200685,-0.0102162,0.00371069,0.000242905,0.00236817,0.0134279,0.00467508,0.000386498,-0.0010015,0.00516447,-0.0157221,-0.000125611,0.00562024,0.00112686,0.0059475,-0.00498924,-0.00628496,0.000527151,0.00419691,0.00119231,-0.00160717
    SE_Laconia,0.114677,0.149029,0.00320553,-0.0369837,0.0210039,-0.0098309,0.000822537,-0.00190377,0.00598232,0.0143511,0.00304478,-0.00108653,-0.00133795,0.00602099,-0.0145221,0.00527044,0.0135599,0.00186866,0.000314245,-0.00397065,-0.0030883,0.00250397,0.00539209,0.00469946,-0.00302368
    Unscaled Averages
     

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    Cappadocia,0.00976,0.01393,-0.01097,-0.01893,-0.00497,-0.00659,0.00115,-0.00167,-0.00912,0.00517,0.00192,0.00214,-0.00188,0.00434,-0.00716,-0.00433,0.00038,0.00231,0.00475,-0.00314,0.00075,0.00388,-0.00299,-0.00052,0.00162
    Crete,0.00949663,0.014318,-0.00377528,-0.0139371,0.0022427,-0.0054618,0.00097191,-0.000830337,-0.00123596,0.00706404,0.0012573,0.000957303,-0.00125056,0.00285056,-0.00844719,-0.00158989,0.00387978,0.000757303,0.0030382,-0.00384607,-0.00350562,0.000676404,0.000662921,0.00146854,-0.00138539
    Denmark,0.0114825,0.013325,0.01756,0.0161225,0.0133325,0.0069725,0.0024675,0.0034225,0.0015175,-0.0018875,-0.0033725,0.00274,-0.005835,-0.00461,0.0139325,0.0041875,-0.0052525,0.0017275,0.00204,0.003115,0.0045075,0.001545,0.00039,0.0115025,-1.5e-05
    Dodecanese,0.00931,0.01439,-0.00648,-0.01757,0.00071,-0.00659,0.00162,-0.00183,-0.00137,0.00914,0.00296,0.00138,-0.00302,-0.00041,-0.0091,-0.00096,0.00253,0.00396,0.00467,-0.0038,-0.00345,-0.00078,0.00028,-0.00072,-0.00285
    East_Rumelia,0.010575,0.0140083,0.00415833,-0.0049,0.00504167,-0.001475,0.00195833,0.000458333,-0.00255833,0.00644167,0.00141667,-0.000566667,-0.001375,0.00515,-0.0108667,0.00055,0.00919167,-0.0004,0.00260833,-0.00315,-0.00355,-0.00134167,0.00154167,0.000333333,-0.00125
    Macedonia,0.01068,0.0140667,0.00357333,-0.00510667,0.00614,-0.00174667,0.00125333,0.00124667,-2e-05,0.00668,0.00121333,0.00086,-0.00155333,0.0075,-0.0113,-0.00471333,0.00141333,0.00052,0.00555333,-0.0042,-0.00522,0.000333333,0.00196,-0.00086,-0.0005
    Peloponnese,0.0103,0.0142474,0.00205263,-0.00842632,0.00652105,-0.00366316,0.00157895,0.000105263,0.00115789,0.00736842,0.00287895,0.000257895,-0.000673684,0.00375263,-0.0115842,-9.47368e-05,0.00431053,0.000889474,0.00473158,-0.00398947,-0.00503684,0.000426316,0.00340526,0.000989474,-0.00134211
    SE_Laconia,0.010075,0.014675,0.00085,-0.01145,0.006825,-0.003525,0.00035,-0.000825,0.002925,0.007875,0.001875,-0.000725,-0.0009,0.004375,-0.0107,0.003975,0.0104,0.001475,0.00025,-0.003175,-0.002475,0.002025,0.004375,0.0039,-0.002525


    Bonus Scaled Denmark, Irish and Serbia Averages
     

    Code:
    Denmark,0.130697,0.135319,0.0662224,0.0520759,0.0410308,0.0194457,0.00579889,0.00789775,0.00310365,-0.00343971,-0.00547655,0.00410635,-0.00867435,-0.00634441,0.0189092,0.00555219,-0.00684842,0.00218855,0.00256424,0.00389562,0.00562445,0.00191043,0.000480666,0.0138604,-1.79625e-05
    Ireland,0.133227,0.131729,0.0614168,0.0507266,0.0361093,0.0207309,0.00418543,0.00452728,0.00489883,0.00354059,-0.00645687,0.00655131,-0.0136202,-0.014529,0.0277257,0.00641481,-0.0113682,0.000947148,0.000131684,0.00310863,0.00493177,0.00144262,0.00227128,0.0133123,-0.000575939
    Serbia,0.127545,0.137096,0.0408547,0.0151093,0.0319547,0.00503553,0.00515718,0.00685869,-0.00182935,-0.000739069,-0.0026343,-0.00140708,0.00317143,0.012539,-0.0128859,0.000456697,0.00343345,0.000830514,0.00419692,-0.00175779,-0.00845037,-0.00168305,0.00476558,0.00021422,-0.00177629


    Here are the full individual files:

    eigenvectors.txt
    eigenvectors_scaled.txt
    Code:
    23abc_AncestryDNA_scaled,0.110408,0.151314,-0.0290383,-0.0507112,0.0018465,-0.0156179,-0.00305514,-0.00138456,-0.00899905,0.00911181,0.00243583,-0.00149867,-0.00431116,0.00344057,-0.00773606,0.00106072,0.00195576,0.00152026,0.00251396,-0.00550264,-0.00786113,-0.00197844,0.0025882,0.00168699,0.000957998

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    So all the Dodecanese are from just Rhodes? Still great regardless. A lot of them have very little EHG for Southern Europeans, I'm impressed by that.

    This is how my mum fares with the new sample averages (removed Western Jews)

    Distance to: Seabass_Mum
    0.03418072 Maltese
    0.03522945 Italian_Calabria
    0.03557991 Italian_Campania
    0.03567690 Greek_Kos
    0.03684073 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.03864204 Cypriot
    0.03955266 Greek_Crete
    0.04135785 Sicilian_East
    0.04162966 Italian_Basilicata
    0.04290545 Italian_Apulia
    0.04395828 Sicilian_West
    0.04672466 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.05103809 Italian_Molise
    0.05116369 Druze
    0.05170755 Italian_Lazio
    0.05192033 Karaite_Egypt
    0.05219636 Greek_Izmir
    0.05265114 Lebanese_Christian
    0.05285617 Lebanese_Druze
    0.05376085 Greek_Laconia
    0.05511576 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.05565083 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.05707846 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.05806292 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.05818824 Italian_Umbria

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    EDIT: I misread the paper and thought the capital cities listed were actually where the samples came from. We can't assume the Dodecanese are from Rhodes or that the Cretans are from Heraklion. Sorry for any confusion!
    Last edited by 23abc; 11-21-2020 at 05:23 PM. Reason: Mistake made.
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    23abc_AncestryDNA_scaled,0.110408,0.151314,-0.0290383,-0.0507112,0.0018465,-0.0156179,-0.00305514,-0.00138456,-0.00899905,0.00911181,0.00243583,-0.00149867,-0.00431116,0.00344057,-0.00773606,0.00106072,0.00195576,0.00152026,0.00251396,-0.00550264,-0.00786113,-0.00197844,0.0025882,0.00168699,0.000957998

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    It's very interesting that they all get the equivalent G25 reference (apart from East_Rumelia which has no equivalent) as their first matches, proving the consistency of Davidski's lists. Another slap for those who like to challenge the validity of his work.

    Can you also list the total number of samples contributing to each average?

    Edit: I just saw the .txt files, doh

    Tx!
    Last edited by dosas; 11-21-2020 at 07:41 AM.
    55.8% Greek Central Macedonia + 44.2% Greek Trabzon @ 1.46

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    It's very interesting that they all get the equivalent G25 reference (apart from East_Rumelia which has no equivalent) as their first matches, proving the consistency of Davidski's lists. Another slap for those who like to challenge the validity of his work.
    No one in the other thread "challenged the validity of his work.". People made a new average with forum members from the Peloponnese, with the premise that 3 samples are not enough to capture the whole variance.

    Your contention with that was that only academic samples should be used as to avoid bias, inaccuracy etc. which is a valid concern.

    Having said, that the new Peloponnesian academic samples pretty much cluster right next to the forum made average, with Laconia being slightly more southern like the old reference. Some of the new Peloponnesian samples enter that space too and others are a bit more northeastern. Overall, it mostly looks like normal variance.

    The Peloponnese overall seems like as slightly more southern version of the rest of the mainland as expected.

    newplot (2).pngnewplot.png

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    These results showing clearly that even Mainland Greece varies and its not an 100% homogenous area. Peloponnese samples showing clearly a variation.

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    Greek Cappadocians are mostly native Bronze Age Anatolian. Also, those from Kayiseri were Turkophone..but east eurasian genes totally asbent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    2020-11-21 07_18_59--1.png

    Greek Cappadocians are mostly native Bronze Age Anatolian. Also, those from Kayiseri were Turkophone..but east eurasian genes totally asbent.
    This would imply Cappadocian Greeks are later Hellenized Luwians or Hittites. Would the Turkified locals in this region have the same profile similar to the scenario with those in Trabzon?


    "sample": "Greek Central Anatolia:Average",
    "distance": 1.1732,
    "Arslantepe_LC": 56,
    "Isparta_EBA": 30,
    "RUS_Catacomb": 14

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    This would imply Cappadocian Greeks are later Hellenized Luwians or Hittites. Would the Turkified locals in this region have the same profile similar to the scenario with those in Trabzon?


    "sample": "Greek Central Anatolia:Average",
    "distance": 1.1732,
    "Arslantepe_LC": 56,
    "Isparta_EBA": 30,
    "RUS_Catacomb": 14
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    Quote Originally Posted by 23abc View Post
    thanks!

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