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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post
    First and Second Bulgarian Empire, before the Macedonian reconquista, span all the way down to the periphery of Athens and the Peloponnese, please, guys, just take a minute or two and wikipedia even your facts before posting.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_II

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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    Can you stop derailing the thread with your gibberish?

    We are past the phase of arguing whether Greeks have Slavic admixture on this board, we are focusing on other things.

    Thank you, in advance.
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    What are the supposed historical sources for a large-scale migration of Aegean and mainland Greeks to Smyrna during Ottoman times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mann View Post
    What are the supposed historical sources for a large-scale migration of Aegean and mainland Greeks to Smyrna during Ottoman times?
    I've posted this before on another thread, so I'll quote myself:

    Quote Originally Posted by 23abc View Post
    Izmir had a population of 2000 at around 1600, and by the time of the population exchange a population of 300,000. That means Smyrna residents were mostly migrants from other places, and so I think the genetic admixture of modern Greeks from there is not really reflective of Western Anatolian Greeks as a whole.

    From Encylopedia of the Ottoman Empire:
     


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    The same thing applies for most big cities which had a sizeable Greek population prior to the Population Exchange, as far as I can tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mann View Post
    What are the supposed historical sources for a large-scale migration of Aegean and mainland Greeks to Smyrna during Ottoman times?
    http://ebooks.edu.gr/ebooks/v/html/8...index8_36.html

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    Any English one? Automatic translation does not seem to work correctly. Are there any free pdf of any study can be read easily? I could not find free ones at Google search unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mann View Post
    What are the supposed historical sources for a large-scale migration of Aegean and mainland Greeks to Smyrna during Ottoman times?
    This is a well known fact, you don't need historical sources such for such trivial facts, until the mid-19th century the main sources are western travellers or residents or scholars that published demographic figures. We also know the limits of the urban area and how many people could have lived there.

    Most western sources mean the town of Izmir itself when they mention Izmir whereas the Greek sources often mean the whole Izmir area extending from Kusadasi to Focia (corresponding approx. to the region given under Greek protection after WWI).

    The islands close to the Anatolia were always migrant exporters throughout their history. In the second half of the 19th century the economic development and stability in western anatolia resulted in a big migration wave from the islands towards Anatolia such as to Ayvalik and Edremit from Lesbos. Before that in the 18th century many Greeks in south marmara also originated from Peloponnes.
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