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    Mozabites

    Distance: 1.8672% / 0.01867240
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01280
    46.0 Early_European_Farmer
    39.4 Iberomaurusian
    6.7 Africa_Mesolithic
    3.7 Iran_Neolithic
    2.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
    1.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
    0.4 Early_Levantine_Farmer

    Distance: 2.4451% / 0.02445133
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01279
    44.5 Early_European_Farmer
    36.5 Iberomaurusian
    7.9 Africa_Mesolithic
    6.4 Iran_Neolithic
    3.7 Steppe_Pastoralist
    1.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Distance: 2.1385% / 0.02138527
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01278
    42.9 Early_European_Farmer
    35.3 Iberomaurusian
    8.3 Steppe_Pastoralist
    7.7 Africa_Mesolithic
    3.6 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    2.0 Iran_Neolithic
    0.2 Ancient_Iberian_Hunter-Gatherer

    Distance: 3.1499% / 0.03149898
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01277
    38.6 Early_European_Farmer
    36.7 Iberomaurusian
    9.3 Steppe_Pastoralist
    8.8 Africa_Mesolithic
    3.5 Iran_Neolithic
    3.1 Early_Levantine_Farmer

    Distance: 2.7849% / 0.02784950
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01276
    42.4 Early_European_Farmer
    37.1 Iberomaurusian
    11.0 Africa_Mesolithic
    4.8 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    4.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
    0.3 Early_Levantine_Farmer

    Distance: 3.1558% / 0.03155808
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01275
    44.3 Early_European_Farmer
    35.5 Iberomaurusian
    7.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
    7.3 Africa_Mesolithic
    3.2 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    1.9 Iran_Neolithic
    0.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Distance: 3.8856% / 0.03885585
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01274
    38.3 Early_European_Farmer
    34.2 Iberomaurusian
    14.9 Africa_Mesolithic
    7.5 Steppe_Pastoralist
    4.2 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    0.6 Iran_Neolithic
    0.3 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Distance: 2.7588% / 0.02758822
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01273
    35.5 Early_European_Farmer
    26.4 Iberomaurusian
    13.2 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    9.7 Steppe_Pastoralist
    9.5 Africa_Mesolithic
    4.6 Iran_Neolithic
    1.1 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer

    Distance: 3.0421% / 0.03042073
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01272
    40.6 Early_European_Farmer
    36.2 Iberomaurusian
    5.7 Steppe_Pastoralist
    5.6 Africa_Mesolithic
    5.4 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    4.6 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    1.9 Iran_Neolithic

    Distance: 2.9817% / 0.02981736
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01268
    37.6 Early_European_Farmer
    36.4 Iberomaurusian
    8.1 Africa_Mesolithic
    7.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    4.2 Iran_Neolithic
    4.1 Steppe_Pastoralist
    1.8 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer

    Distance: 2.8698% / 0.02869780
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01266
    38.9 Early_European_Farmer
    36.9 Iberomaurusian
    10.1 Steppe_Pastoralist
    7.9 Africa_Mesolithic
    3.5 Iran_Neolithic
    2.7 Early_Levantine_Farmer

    Distance: 2.1791% / 0.02179130
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01265
    46.3 Early_European_Farmer
    38.2 Iberomaurusian
    7.9 Africa_Mesolithic
    7.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
    0.4 Iran_Neolithic

    Distance: 2.7051% / 0.02705056
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01264
    42.8 Early_European_Farmer
    36.1 Iberomaurusian
    6.9 Africa_Mesolithic
    6.9 Steppe_Pastoralist
    4.3 Iran_Neolithic
    1.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
    1.2 Early_Levantine_Farmer

    Distance: 1.7905% / 0.01790471
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01263
    47.7 Early_European_Farmer
    33.5 Iberomaurusian
    8.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
    4.5 Africa_Mesolithic
    3.7 Iran_Neolithic
    1.3 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    0.7 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Distance: 2.8649% / 0.02864878
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01262
    35.8 Early_European_Farmer
    31.8 Iberomaurusian
    10.2 Africa_Mesolithic
    9.9 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    5.5 Steppe_Pastoralist
    4.8 Iran_Neolithic
    2.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Distance: 3.4674% / 0.03467444
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01260
    36.8 Early_European_Farmer
    35.3 Iberomaurusian
    11.0 Africa_Mesolithic
    6.1 Steppe_Pastoralist
    3.7 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    3.3 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    2.5 Iran_Neolithic
    1.3 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Distance: 3.4674% / 0.03467395
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01259
    40.7 Early_European_Farmer
    31.9 Iberomaurusian
    11.4 Africa_Mesolithic
    5.5 Steppe_Pastoralist
    5.4 Iran_Neolithic
    3.0 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    2.1 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Distance: 2.1298% / 0.02129760
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01258
    38.0 Early_European_Farmer
    34.2 Iberomaurusian
    8.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
    7.3 Africa_Mesolithic
    6.1 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    4.6 Iran_Neolithic
    1.0 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    0.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Distance: 3.6551% / 0.03655074
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01257
    43.9 Early_European_Farmer
    38.0 Iberomaurusian
    11.0 Africa_Mesolithic
    3.8 Iran_Neolithic
    1.7 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    0.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
    0.7 Steppe_Pastoralist
    0.1 Early_Levantine_Farmer

    Distance: 2.7971% / 0.02797069
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01256
    41.8 Early_European_Farmer
    32.2 Iberomaurusian
    11.2 Africa_Mesolithic
    10.1 Steppe_Pastoralist
    2.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    1.9 Iran_Neolithic

    Distance: 3.4240% / 0.03423995
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01255
    46.1 Early_European_Farmer
    25.4 Iberomaurusian
    15.3 Steppe_Pastoralist
    10.6 Africa_Mesolithic
    2.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Distance: 2.9426% / 0.02942640
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01254
    39.3 Early_European_Farmer
    35.3 Iberomaurusian
    9.7 Steppe_Pastoralist
    8.1 Africa_Mesolithic
    4.5 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    3.1 Iran_Neolithic

    Distance: 2.7435% / 0.02743475
    Target: Mozabite:HGDP01253
    45.7 Early_European_Farmer
    36.8 Iberomaurusian
    8.6 Africa_Mesolithic
    8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
    0.9 Iran_Neolithic

    Guanches

    Distance: 2.9281% / 0.02928058
    Target: Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun012
    40.1 Early_European_Farmer
    39.8 Iberomaurusian
    7.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
    6.5 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    5.9 Africa_Mesolithic
    0.4 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
    0.3 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Distance: 2.1511% / 0.02151080
    Target: Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun011
    38.0 Iberomaurusian
    37.5 Early_European_Farmer
    8.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
    5.6 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    4.7 Africa_Mesolithic
    3.3 Iran_Neolithic
    2.7 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Distance: 2.2143% / 0.02214272
    Target: Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun008
    44.9 Early_European_Farmer
    30.4 Iberomaurusian
    12.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
    6.0 Africa_Mesolithic
    5.9 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    0.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

    Distance: 2.7399% / 0.02739895
    Target: Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun005
    43.8 Early_European_Farmer
    29.1 Iberomaurusian
    10.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
    7.7 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    4.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
    4.1 Africa_Mesolithic
    0.5 Ancient_Dravidian

    Distance: 3.0572% / 0.03057166
    Target: Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun002
    42.3 Early_European_Farmer
    40.1 Iberomaurusian
    5.9 Steppe_Pastoralist
    4.8 Africa_Mesolithic
    3.0 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    2.0 Iran_Neolithic
    1.7 Ancient_Dravidian
    0.2 Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic
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    ^ Where do Fulani show up using those stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    ^ Where do Fulani show up using those stats?
    Fulanis.

    Target: Fulani:T_Fulani-1.DG
    Distance: 2.5368% / 0.02536765
    52.4 Yoruba
    21.6 MAR_Taforalt
    14.0 TUR_Barcin_C
    6.6 Levant_Natufian
    5.4 Dinka

    Target: Fulani:T_Fulani-2.DG
    Distance: 2.2809% / 0.02280915
    52.6 Yoruba
    21.2 MAR_Taforalt
    15.8 TUR_Barcin_C
    6.8 Dinka
    3.6 Levant_Natufian

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    ^ Where do Fulani show up using those stats?
    Distance: 12.9745% / 0.12974549
    Target: Fulani:T_Fulani-2.DG
    52.3 Africa_Mesolithic
    34.2 Iberomaurusian
    10.7 Early_European_Farmer
    2.8 Steppe_Pastoralist

    Distance: 12.7942% / 0.12794238
    Target: Fulani:T_Fulani-1.DG
    50.9 Africa_Mesolithic
    35.2 Iberomaurusian
    12.5 Early_European_Farmer
    1.4 Steppe_Pastoralist

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    Quote Originally Posted by maroco View Post
    Distance: 12.9745% / 0.12974549
    Target: Fulani:T_Fulani-2.DG
    52.3 Africa_Mesolithic
    34.2 Iberomaurusian
    10.7 Early_European_Farmer
    2.8 Steppe_Pastoralist

    Distance: 12.7942% / 0.12794238
    Target: Fulani:T_Fulani-1.DG
    50.9 Africa_Mesolithic
    35.2 Iberomaurusian
    12.5 Early_European_Farmer
    1.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
    You need to replace Shum Lake with Yoruba...that's why those fits are terrible

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    You need to replace Shum Lake with Yoruba...that's why those fits are terrible
    Yoruba has ana inside it, Shum Laka is free of this. Using a modern sample like yoruba in a Neolithic model creates unrealistic results. You can see the results are near identical despite different distances

    A simulated west african sample without ana
    Distance: 2.2836% / 0.02283587
    Target: Fulani:T_Fulani-2.DG
    49.2 West_African_(simulated)
    38.1 Iberomaurusian
    8.2 Early_European_Farmer
    2.6 Africa_Mesolithic
    1.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
    0.7 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer

    Distance: 1.8478% / 0.01847764
    Target: Fulani:T_Fulani-1.DG
    48.8 West_African_(simulated)
    38.7 Iberomaurusian
    10.0 Early_European_Farmer
    1.7 Africa_Mesolithic
    0.8 Steppe_Pastoralist
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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    You need to replace Shum Lake with Yoruba...that's why those fits are terrible
    I did no high level models which are worth being posted, but I tried Mandenka, Yoruba and Igbo, and they all have significant Northern ancestry Shum Laka lacks, even though Shum Laka itself seems already mixed and no representative of the "pure Basal African" lineages at all. And they have more of it than people to the South East of Nigeria, in regions with higher pre-ANA-like ancestry. But in fact even Pygmies have the North Eastern admixture, there are no pure representatives left, which is why we need ancient DNA to help out. Just thousand years older than Shum Laka might make a big difference for some regions in SSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maroco View Post
    Yoruba has ana inside it, Shum Laka is free of this. Using a modern sample like yoruba in a Neolithic model creates unrealistic results. You can see the results are near identical despite different distances

    A simulated west african sample without ana
    Distance: 2.2836% / 0.02283587
    Target: Fulani:T_Fulani-2.DG
    49.2 West_African_(simulated)
    38.1 Iberomaurusian
    8.2 Early_European_Farmer
    2.6 Africa_Mesolithic
    1.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
    0.7 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer

    Distance: 1.8478% / 0.01847764
    Target: Fulani:T_Fulani-1.DG
    48.8 West_African_(simulated)
    38.7 Iberomaurusian
    10.0 Early_European_Farmer
    1.7 Africa_Mesolithic
    0.8 Steppe_Pastoralist
    IMO i would suggest to always include posting data on Fulani to put things in perspective of what a non Maghreb population with Strong North African admixtures looks like and how high it is compared to contemporary Berber speakers.
    They retain this ancestry with few of the typically Berber uniparental cues.

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