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    Viking Ethnicities: A historiographic overview

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    Viking Ethnicities: A historiographic overview
    By Clare Downham


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    The ‘Viking Age’ is well established in popular perception as a period of dramatic change in European history. The range of viking activities from North America to the Middle East has excited the interest of many commentators. Vikings are variously regarded as blood thirsty barbarians or civilised entrepreneurs; founders of nations or anarchic enemies. But how cohesive was the identity of the ‘Vikings’ and how did they see themselves? In recent years the answer to this question has been evaluated from a range of perspectives. Established paradigms (often situated within a nationalist framework of thought) have come under greater scrutiny and new ideas have entered the debate. This paper will review some trends in the historiography of viking ethnicities and cultural identities in the period 800–1000 AD. This overview also highlights the value of comparative analysis of human migrations to the field of Viking Studies.


    https://www.academia.edu/1499804/Vik...ork_card=title
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    they sure got around.

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    Interesting reflections on how local identities persist in diaspora.

    As to the theory that kingdoms of N,S &DK were less united than assumed by some, the existence of several geographically distinct laws bears witness to distinctly separate state-like structures that were administred by their own hierarchies of parliaments.

    Norway, for instance had three different laws until king Magnus Lagabøter unified them and his revised west coast law was adopted by the west coast parliament in 1274.

    In Sweden there were several laws as well, the west gøta law , the east gøta law, helsingelaw and other law districts. Similar situation i Denmark with Jylland versus , Sjelland and Skånes rules differing. The fact that the Icelanders chose to copy the west-coast Gulatings law in 930 (Ulfljots law) may well indicate the west- coast origin of their leading elite.

    The expression "dra i viking" in sagas indicated an activity, not an ethnic classification, but going abroad either trading or pirating. One strong factor was the strict primogeniture requirements for acess to "odel" land and its perennial property rights , With freely tradable land less secure, and unobtainable by inheritance, the younger sons of the landed families would have a strong incitement to set out on adventures in order to maintain the lifestyle they were accustomed to .

    As to the disappearance of language , a quote that I cannot retrieve at the moment has a Norwegian King visiting the "Rudajarl", the earl of Normandy in Rouen and having a long talk with an elderly close relative who comments how nice it was to speak Norse again . This indicated that the Norman rulers had to speak with the locals rather than having brought their own staff across and explains the fast adoption of Frankish language and customs.

    A qoute from Snorres Heimskringla attests to contemporary British familiarity with Norse language: after the Stamford Bridge Battle in 1066 one defeated warrior met a peasant, and said he was freezing and asked to buy his coat , the peasant replied that he could hear that the warrior was Norwegian so he would not sell his coat (the viking replied "that is pity, since i will then have to kill you and take it")

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    The ethic mix of The Vikings I'm sure was Scandinavian from the beginning and only morphed slightly to include other ethnicity as as their journeys expanded. Depending on which samples you want to use will reflect what you want it to. There are scandinavian samples that would seem more continental Germanic than Scandinavian. Just as there are British isles samples that can lean more Scandinavian more Irish or more Germanic depending on which ones you pick. Just look at some of the do-it-yourself models people make on this site alone. You can have somebody scoring 40% Scandinavian with no recent scandinavian ancestry because of the source samples used. I think it gets a little more muddied on an autosomal level.

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    Language, culture and genes tend to move together with trade and conquest. There is for example a large number of foreign made objects from excavations in Norway such as swords of roman army origin as well as drinking glasses from Germany ,some may attest personal mobility, but to deduct the presence of substantial settlement from scattered finds around the north atlantic is a long jump of reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph. View Post
    Language, culture and genes tend to move together with trade and conquest. There is for example a large number of foreign made objects from excavations in Norway such as swords of roman army origin as well as drinking glasses from Germany ,some may attest personal mobility, but to deduct the presence of substantial settlement from scattered finds around the north atlantic is a long jump of reasoning.

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    Yes, but it would seem that as far as DNA the Vikings left more than they brought back. Yes or no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    For the possible interest of some:



    Viking Ethnicities: A historiographic overview
    By Clare Downham


    Abstract

    The ‘Viking Age’ is well established in popular perception as a period of dramatic change in European history. The range of viking activities from North America to the Middle East has excited the interest of many commentators. Vikings are variously regarded as blood thirsty barbarians or civilised entrepreneurs; founders of nations or anarchic enemies. But how cohesive was the identity of the ‘Vikings’ and how did they see themselves? In recent years the answer to this question has been evaluated from a range of perspectives. Established paradigms (often situated within a nationalist framework of thought) have come under greater scrutiny and new ideas have entered the debate. This paper will review some trends in the historiography of viking ethnicities and cultural identities in the period 800–1000 AD. This overview also highlights the value of comparative analysis of human migrations to the field of Viking Studies.


    https://www.academia.edu/1499804/Vik...ork_card=title
    Good article!!!

    Some other nuanced views:
    https://theconversation.com/what-med...-vikings-75794

    https://theconversation.com/vikings-...illaging-37599

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