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Thread: Z2103, Z2104, Z2105, Z2106, Z2107, Z2108, Z2109, Z2110 & Sanger sequencing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pillar_of_fire View Post
    He has only S12460=9,762,847 with reference A

    all the others are not found
    How can you say this if you haven't the raw data? The S SNPs probably aren't recognized by FTDNA and without the raw data you cannot see the Y position. Anyway it is true that my mutations are in a region of Y not tested by Big Y, but positions with an higher number should be tested and you'll be able to see in the raw data.

    P.S.
    These positions should be tested
    S17864=Y16,050,529
    S20902= Y18,383,837
    and are in Linkage disequilibrium with
    S12460=9,762,847
    and he should be positive.
    Last edited by Rathna; 04-01-2014 at 04:22 AM.

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    My result is S12460 AG positive, and it is considered positive for the G, thus your husband's result A should be negative.
    If this will be confirmed, your husband's R-Z2110* is different from mine and from the English ones tested by Chromo2.
    Last edited by Rathna; 04-01-2014 at 04:42 AM.

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    I wrote in "R1b phylogeny":
    "10 are Z2110 (Z2103 is unreliable) and S12460, S17864, S20902 (these 3 SNPs are upstream also Z2105 and L277 [this had been demonstrated not true])
    588: CTS9219, S3844, S8889
    589: CTS9219, PF2642 (I too, but probably it is a little reliable)
    590: CTS9219
    592: CTS9219, CTS4122, S13125
    593
    595:
    1556: CTS9219
    1588: CTS9219
    1839: CTS9219
    1996: CTS3849, CTS7206, L128, S4269"

    If your husband were negative for these three SNPs he would belong to an R-Z2110* not ancestor of the subclades, beginning from CTS9219 and the "Balkan cluster".
    We'd have here the same situation of R1b1/L389-. Perhaps hg. R came from East (but it isn't said, because they could be also an old expansion from West), but only from the "Italian" R-Z2110* were born the subclades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pillar_of_fire View Post
    N112116 is Z2106+, Z2109 no call, Z2108+, CTS7822+, Z2110 no call, CTS699-,CTS9219-, F672-
    FTDNA must have feared the Fire on deadline day. Congratulations to you and N112116! We are going to learn a lot of phylogeny because of this test. So thank you and him from us.

    As soon as you can, please consider using YFull's Y-Chr Sequence Interpretation Service while it is still free. http://www.yfull.com/

    YSEQ is going to do a "trial run" on me with Z2106 because it is another Z-SNP in a difficult location. This Z2106+ result from your Big Y test gives me more hope that it can be sequenced. Thank you! It's going to be important to gain a good understanding of the regions that are sequenced by Big Y.

    Any ideas on why Z2110 is a no call while CTS7822 is called? They are one in the same.
    http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2...rY/?name=Z2110
    http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2.../?name=CTS7822

    Thanks Fire
    Last edited by Joe B; 04-01-2014 at 05:20 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathna View Post
    How can you say this if you haven't the raw data?
    I said that the raw data can not be downloaded, but this does not mean it is not visible on the page of the testee. The results are displayed in two different tabs like an excel table. The first tab is known, the second tab is novel. there are 10 lines displayed per page. One can search the novel by position.

    N112116 has
    Novel - high quality - 108
    Novel - medium quality -12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe B View Post
    Any ideas on why Z2110 is a no call while CTS7822 is called? They are one in the same.
    http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2...rY/?name=Z2110
    http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2.../?name=CTS7822

    Thanks Fire
    You are too fast with the questions. I am not so in depth of R-Z2103+ and I rely on the experts.... We will have food to chew on for a long time ...

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    here is what it looks like

    Big Y.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pillar_of_fire View Post
    I said that the raw data can not be downloaded, but this does not mean it is not visible on the page of the testee. The results are displayed in two different tabs like an excel table. The first tab is known, the second tab is novel. there are 10 lines displayed per page. One can search the novel by position.

    N112116 has
    Novel - high quality - 108
    Novel - medium quality -12
    Looks like 247019, a known R1b-CTS7822 haplotype, got his BIG Y results today too.
    He's in the R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project.
    Last edited by Joe B; 04-01-2014 at 05:33 AM.
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    So then I copy pasted the positions

    here is the result for 9762847
    Big Y 2.jpg

    and then the other for example 13210064
    Big Y 3.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pillar_of_fire View Post
    So then I copy pasted the positions

    here is the result for 9762847
    Big Y 2.jpg

    and then the other for example 13210064
    Big Y 3.jpg
    I am seeing that your husband has a G, thus he is positive. Thus he matches me and all the other Englishmen tested from Chromo2. You said A, but A is the ancestral value.

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