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    Distant Romani Ancestry (Greece)

    Early on when I was exploring my (at the time) possible Romani ancestry, I organized a collection of "South Asian" results across all calculators on GEDMatch. Since then, I've basically confirmed my ancestry at 1/16 Romani due to the large number of Romani DNA Matches I receive across all websites, and the distance they are related to me. (This included chromosome segment pairing and matching it with the chromosome my South Asian results appear on - confirming it even more). Also, my largest genetic cluster on MyHeritage are all Romani matches as well. With that said, I have also included my father's phased results for comparison. He has never been tested so I suppose you can take these with a grain of salt but they seem to be pretty accurate in comparison with mine. I may be missing some important categories such as "Baloch", etc. so my apologies in advance.

    I thought it would be interesting to showcase how 'distant' (closer than I thought!) ancestry shows up in my results, especially due to its vastly different genetic origin to that of the rest of my ancestry.

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    My Results
    - Using 23andMe's V3 Chip

    Eurogenes - Average "South Asian" = 2.30 Pct

     

    Eurogenes K13

    South_Asian 2.02

    Distance: 1.6895% / 1.68948546
    Target: Markos | ADC: 0.25x RC

    65.5 Greek_West
    29.0 Greek_Symi_Island
    5.5 Moldova_Roma

    Eurogenes K15

    South_Asian 1.94

    Eurogenes K9

    South Asian 2.64 Pct

    Eurogenes K10

    South Asian 2.70 Pct

    Eurogenes K11

    South Asian 2.36 Pc

    Eurogenes K12

    South Asian 2.33 Pct

    Eurogenes K12b

    South Asian 2.40 Pct

    Eurogenes K36

    South_Asian 1.66 Pct

    Eurogenes EUTest

    SOUTH_ASIAN 2.61



    MDLP - Average "South Asian" = 2.68%

     

    MDLP K16 Modern

    Indian 3.18

    MDLP K23b

    South_Indian 1.66 Pct

    3 92.3% Greek_Thessaly ( ) + 7.7% Balochi ( ) @ 1.96
    5 91.9% Greek_Thessaly ( ) + 8.1% Makrani ( ) @ 2
    6 93.7% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 6.3% Balochi ( ) @ 2.02
    7 92.8% Greek_Thessaly ( ) + 7.2% Brahui ( ) @ 2.05
    9 94.2% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 5.8% Brahui ( ) @ 2.07
    11 94.7% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 5.3% Kalash ( ) @ 2.12
    12 93.5% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 6.5% Makrani ( ) @ 2.14

    MDLP World-22

    Indo-Iranian 1.82
    Indian 0.63

    1 97.5% Greek_North (derived) + 2.5% Kalash (derived) @ 1.94
    2 97.9% Greek_North (derived) + 2.1% Proto-Indo-Iranian (ancestral) @ 1.99
    6 94.5% Greek_South (derived) + 5.5% Tadjik (derived) @ 2.07
    7 93.9% Greek_South (derived) + 6.1% Turkmen (derived) @ 2.09
    16 97.9% Greek_South (derived) + 2.1% Kalash (derived) @ 2.21
    20 96.2% Greek_South (derived) + 3.8% Makrani (derived) @ 2.23

    MDLP World

    Indian 1.78

    3 94.5% Greek_North + 5.5% Makrani @ 1.5
    4 93.9% Greek_North + 6.1% Parsi @ 1.65
    5 94.7% Greek_South + 5.3% Makrani @ 1.66
    7 95.1% Greek_North + 4.9% Sindhi @ 1.67
    8 93.4% Greek_South + 6.6% Tadjik @ 1.68
    9 94.8% Greek_North + 5.2% Balochi @ 1.68
    13 92.5% Greek_South + 7.5% Turkmen @ 1.74
    16 94.9% Greek_North + 5.1% Brahui @ 1.75
    17 92% Greek_South + 8% Azeri @ 1.76


    Dodecad - Average "South Asian" = 1.97%

     

    Dodecad V3

    South_Asian 2.65

    Dodecad World9

    South_Asian 1.5

    Dodecad K7b

    South_Asian 1.66

    14 89.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 10.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 1.36

    Dodecad K12b

    South_Asian 2.07

    1 91.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 8.4% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 1.88
    2 92.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 7.8% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 1.88
    3 90.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 9.2% Pathan (HGDP) @ 2.03
    4 91.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 8.8% Burusho (HGDP) @ 2.04
    5 92.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 7.6% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 2.35
    6 92.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 7.5% Makrani (HGDP) @ 2.36
    7 92.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 7.2% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 2.41
    8 92.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 7.1% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.41
    9 93.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 6.6% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.42
    10 93.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 6.8% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 2.43
    11 93.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 6.7% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 2.45
    12 93% Greek (Dodecad) + 7% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 2.45
    13 93.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 6.9% Indian (Dodecad) @ 2.46
    16 88.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 11.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.61
    19 93.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 6.3% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 2.74
    20 93.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 6.3% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 2.76


    HarappaWorld - Average "South Asian" = 2.39

     

    HarappaWorld

    S-Indian 2.39

    13 93% ashkenazi (harappa) + 7% kalash (hgdp) @ 3.81
    17 93.6% ashkenazi (harappa) + 6.4% bhatia (harappa) @ 3.87
    18 93.4% ashkenazi (harappa) + 6.6% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 3.88



    puntDNAL - Average "South Asian" = 1.82

     

    puntDNAL K12 Modern

    South_Asian 2.06

    puntDNAL K13 Global

    South_Asia 1.52

    1 86.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 13.5% Tadjik @ 1.85
    2 88% Italian_Abruzzo + 12% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 2.2
    6 90.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 9.3% Burusho @ 2.3
    8 89% Italian_Abruzzo + 11% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.31
    12 89.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 10.4% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 2.44
    13 90% Italian_Abruzzo + 10% Pathan @ 2.47
    18 97.2% Greek_Central + 2.8% Paniya @ 2.6

    puntDNAL K15

    S_Indian 1.89



    Gedrosia - Average "South Asian" = 1.28

     

    Gedrosia K12

    S_INDIAN 1.28

    1 91.8% Greek + 8.2% Makrani @ 2.72
    2 92% Greek + 8% Balochi @ 2.92
    3 92.8% Greek + 7.2% Brahui @ 3.06
    4 81.2% Greek + 18.8% Kurds_C @ 3.21
    5 81.9% Greek + 18.1% Iraqi_Arab_Baghdad @ 3.51
    6 88.9% Greek + 11.1% Kurds_SE @ 3.52
    7 83% Sicilian + 17% Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.56
    8 83.1% Greek + 16.9% Kurds_E @ 3.68
    9 82.7% Greek + 17.3% Kurds_F @ 3.69
    10 90.7% Greek + 9.3% Punjabi_Sikh @ 3.79
    11 87.5% Greek + 12.5% Uzbek_Afghan @ 3.81
    12 85.7% Greek + 14.3% Iranian @ 3.89
    13 91% Greek + 9% Sindhi @ 3.9
    14 81.8% Greek + 18.2% Kurds_N @ 3.9
    15 90% Greek + 10% Pathan @ 4.04
    16 83.8% Greek + 16.2% Iraqi_Mandaeans @ 4.1
    17 89% Greek + 11% Pashtun_Afghan @ 4.15
    18 82.4% Greek + 17.6% Iraqi_Chaldeans @ 4.16
    19 83.4% Greek + 16.6% Iraqi_Jew @ 4.36
    20 88.3% Greek + 11.7% Tajik_Afghan @ 4.47

    Ancient Eurasia K6


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 93.1% Greek + 6.9% Punjabi_PJL @ 1.27
    2 92.8% Greek + 7.2% GujaratiC @ 1.27
    3 93.1% Greek + 6.9% GujaratiD @ 1.31
    4 94.5% Greek + 5.5% Palliyar @ 1.48
    5 94.9% Greek + 5.1% Paniyas @ 1.52
    6 92.2% Greek + 7.8% GujaratiA @ 1.57
    7 92.8% Greek + 7.2% GujaratiB @ 1.58
    8 93.6% Greek + 6.4% Bengali @ 1.59
    9 92.3% Greek + 7.7% Sindhi @ 1.66
    10 92.4% Greek + 7.6% Punjabi @ 1.7
    13 91.7% Greek + 8.3% Pathan @ 1.88
    14 91.7% Greek + 8.3% Kalash @ 1.92
    19 92.6% Greek + 7.4% Burusho @ 1.99




    My Father's Phased Results
    - Using 23andMe's V3 Chip

    Eurogenes - Average "South Asian" = 4.11%

     

    Eurogenes K13

    South_Asian 3.33

    1 82.8% East_Sicilian + 17.2% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.36
    2 79.3% East_Sicilian + 20.7% Turkmen @ 4.59
    3 84.2% Central_Greek + 15.8% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.66
    4 83.2% East_Sicilian + 16.8% Tadjik @ 4.69
    5 87.9% East_Sicilian + 12.1% Burusho @ 4.8
    6 85.3% East_Sicilian + 14.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.81
    7 80.9% Central_Greek + 19.1% Turkmen @ 4.81
    8 88.8% Central_Greek + 11.2% Burusho @ 4.9
    9 81.6% East_Sicilian + 18.4% Nogay @ 5.02
    10 88.2% East_Sicilian + 11.8% Kalash @ 5.02
    11 62.6% Greek_Thessaly + 37.4% Turkish @ 5.07
    12 85% Central_Greek + 15% Tadjik @ 5.09
    13 88.1% East_Sicilian + 11.9% Pathan @ 5.11
    14 86.9% Central_Greek + 13.1% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.14
    15 89% Central_Greek + 11% Pathan @ 5.15
    16 80.7% East_Sicilian + 19.3% Kumyk @ 5.22
    17 90.3% Central_Greek + 9.7% Sindhi @ 5.28
    18 89.5% Central_Greek + 10.5% Kalash @ 5.29
    19 82.9% East_Sicilian + 17.1% Balkar @ 5.31
    20 89% Central_Greek + 11% Makrani @ 5.32


    Eurogenes K15

    South_Asian 3.68

    1 77% South_Italian + 23% Tadjik @ 4.92
    2 77.1% Central_Greek + 22.9% Turkmen @ 5.11
    3 83.9% Central_Greek + 16.1% Makrani @ 5.11
    4 84.1% Central_Greek + 15.9% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.12
    5 82.2% Central_Greek + 17.8% Afghan_Tadjik @ 5.14
    6 87.6% Central_Greek + 12.4% Burusho @ 5.14
    7 81.7% Central_Greek + 18.3% Tadjik @ 5.16
    8 75.2% East_Sicilian + 24.8% Turkmen @ 5.18
    9 80.2% South_Italian + 19.8% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.18
    10 85.1% Central_Greek + 14.9% Brahui @ 5.18
    11 82.3% Central_Greek + 17.7% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 5.21
    12 82.7% East_Sicilian + 17.3% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.24
    13 85% Central_Greek + 15% Balochi @ 5.24
    14 80.1% East_Sicilian + 19.9% Tadjik @ 5.25
    15 78% South_Italian + 22% Afghan_Tadjik @ 5.28
    16 87.3% Central_Greek + 12.7% Kalash @ 5.28
    17 80.7% East_Sicilian + 19.3% Afghan_Tadjik @ 5.29
    18 68.3% Greek + 31.7% Azeri @ 5.3
    19 62.1% Greek + 37.9% Turkish @ 5.32
    20 78.1% South_Italian + 21.9% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 5.4

    Eurogenes K9

    South Asian 3.92 Pct

    Eurogenes K10

    South Asian 3.97 Pct

    Eurogenes K11

    South Asian 3.75 Pc

    Eurogenes K12

    South Asian 3.70 Pct

    Eurogenes K12b

    South Asian 2.74 Pct

    Eurogenes K36

    South_Asian 4.23 Pct

    Eurogenes EUTest

    SOUTH_ASIAN 3.69 Pct

    7 85.2% GR + 14.8% Kalash @ 6.14
    8 83.6% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 16.4% Kalash @ 6.26
    11 86.1% GR + 13.9% Burusho @ 6.55
    19 84.7% South_Italian_&_Sicilian + 15.3% Burusho @ 6.91



    MDLP Project - Average "South Asian" = 4.24%

     

    MDLP K16 Modern

    Indian 5.59 Pct

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 81.9% Sicilian (Sicily) + 18.1% Tajik (Pomiri_Tajikistan) @ 2.71
    2 82.9% Sicilian (Sicily) + 17.1% Ishkasim (Gorno-Badakhshan) @ 2.73
    3 81.3% Sicilian (Sicily) + 18.7% Rushanvanch (Gorno-Badakhshan) @ 2.75
    6 87.1% Sicilian (Sicily) + 12.9% Jatt (Haryana) @ 2.82
    8 83.8% Sicilian (Sicily) + 16.2% Pashtun (Afganistan) @ 2.87
    9 82.3% Sicilian (Sicily) + 17.7% Shugnan (Badachshan) @ 2.87
    10 79.3% Sicilian (Sicily) + 20.7% Yaghnobi (Zarafshan ) @ 2.9
    20 88.3% Sicilian (Sicily) + 11.7% Pathan (Punjab) @ 3.05

    MDLP K23b

    South_Indian 3.53

    1 81.4% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 18.6% Parsi ( ) @ 3.07
    2 80.8% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) + 19.2% Parsi ( ) @ 3.13
    3 81.4% Romanian_Jew ( ) + 18.6% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 3.25
    4 80.2% Romanian_Jew ( ) + 19.8% Tajik_Afghan ( ) @ 3.33
    5 78.9% Greek_Thessaly ( ) + 21.1% Parsi ( ) @ 3.36
    6 82.9% Romanian_Jew ( ) + 17.1% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 3.37
    7 86.6% Romanian_Jew ( ) + 13.4% Burusho ( ) @ 3.38
    8 74.9% Sicilian_Center ( ) + 25.1% Tajik_Afghan ( ) @ 3.42
    9 83% Romanian_Jew ( ) + 17% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 3.43
    10 75.6% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) + 24.4% Iranian ( ) @ 3.45
    11 82.8% Romanian_Jew ( ) + 17.2% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 3.46
    12 76.3% Sicilian_Center ( ) + 23.7% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 3.47
    13 85.6% Romanian_Jew ( ) + 14.4% Pathan ( ) @ 3.48
    14 87.7% Romanian_Jew ( ) + 12.3% Sindhi ( ) @ 3.48
    15 81.4% Romanian_Jew ( ) + 18.6% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) @ 3.53
    16 85% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) + 15% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 3.53
    17 85.6% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 14.4% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 3.58
    18 83.9% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) + 16.1% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 3.6
    19 73.3% Greek_Thessaly ( ) + 26.7% Iranian ( ) @ 3.66
    20 83.9% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) + 16.1% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) @ 3.67


    MDLP World-22

    Indo-Iranian 2.4
    Indian 2.27

    3 81.4% Ashkenazim_V (derived) + 18.6% Iranian (derived) @ 3.4
    4 91.5% Jew_Romania (derived) + 8.5% Burusho (derived) @ 3.41
    5 91.2% Jew_Romania (derived) + 8.8% Pathan (derived) @ 3.45
    7 88.9% Jew_Romania (derived) + 11.1% Tadjik (derived) @ 3.47
    8 92.2% Jew_Romania (derived) + 7.8% Sindhi (derived) @ 3.47
    10 90.8% Jew_Romania (derived) + 9.2% Pashtun (derived) @ 3.59
    14 86.2% Ashkenazim_V (derived) + 13.8% Makrani (derived) @ 3.66
    15 81.6% Ashkenazim_V (derived) + 18.4% Kurd (derived) @ 3.66
    17 84.7% Ashkenazim_V (derived) + 15.3% Parsi (derived) @ 3.66
    18 75.5% Ashkenazim_V (derived) + 24.5% Turk (derived) @ 3.68
    19 93.9% Jew_Romania (derived) + 6.1% Hindu (derived) @ 3.71

    MDLP World

    Indian 3.17

    11 83.2% Greek_South + 16.8% Iranian @ 3.54
    14 91% Jew_Romania + 9% Sindhi @ 3.74
    17 88% Greek_South + 12% Makrani @ 3.81
    18 90.3% Jew_Romania + 9.7% Pathan @ 3.85
    19 82% Greek_South + 18% Iraqi @ 3.85
    20 90.8% Jew_Romania + 9.2% Burusho @ 3.94




    Dodecad - Average "South Asian" = 3.38%

     

    Dodecad V3
    South_Asian 4.93

    1 87.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 12.4% Kashmiri_Pandit (Reich) @ 5.18
    2 88.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 11.8% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 5.34
    3 88% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 12% Pakistani (Xing) @ 5.35
    4 86.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 13.4% Pathan (HGDP) @ 5.36
    5 90.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 9.2% Srivastava (Reich) @ 5.5
    6 88% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 12% Burusho (HGDP) @ 5.51
    7 85.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 14.1% Balochi (HGDP) @ 5.56
    8 90% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 10% Vaish (Reich) @ 5.6
    9 90.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 9.7% Meghawal (Reich) @ 5.61
    10 90.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 9.2% TN_Brahmin (Xing) @ 5.62
    11 91.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 8.7% Indian (Dodecad) @ 5.65
    12 85.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 14.5% Makrani (HGDP) @ 5.66
    13 92.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 7.9% GIH (HapMap) @ 5.67
    14 86.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 13.7% Brahui (HGDP) @ 5.69
    15 91.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 8.4% Velama (Reich) @ 5.71
    16 91% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 9% AP_Brahmin (Xing) @ 5.72
    17 91.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 8.1% INS (SGVP) @ 5.75
    18 91.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 8.1% Lodi (Reich) @ 5.79
    19 90.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 9.9% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 5.8
    20 87.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 12.5% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 5.82

    Dodecad World9

    South_Asian 2.71

    Dodecad K7b

    South_Asian 3

    Dodecad K12b

    South_Asian 2.86

    1 86.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 13.5% Makrani (HGDP) @ 4.92
    2 77.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.94
    3 79.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 20.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.95
    4 86.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 13.6% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 4.96
    5 77.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 22.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.97
    6 83.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.1% Pathan (HGDP) @ 5.02
    7 84.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 15.3% Burusho (HGDP) @ 5.02
    8 86% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 14% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 5.21
    9 87.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 12.7% Balochi (HGDP) @ 5.31
    10 79% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.35
    11 85.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 14.3% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 5.37
    12 84.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 15.3% Pathan (HGDP) @ 5.4
    13 75.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 24.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.4
    14 67.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 32.1% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 5.41
    15 84.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 15.1% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 5.43
    16 62.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.9% Turks (Behar) @ 5.45
    17 88.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 11.6% Brahui (HGDP) @ 5.47
    18 83.4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 16.6% Pathan (HGDP) @ 5.49
    19 85.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 14.5% Burusho (HGDP) @ 5.5
    20 62% Turks (Behar) + 38% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 5.53




    HarappaWorld - Average "South Asian" = 2.48%

     

    HarappaWorld

    S-Indian 2.48

    1 87.8% ashkenazi (harappa) + 12.2% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.98
    2 85.7% ashkenazi (harappa) + 14.3% pashtun (harappa) @ 3.23
    3 87.9% ashkenazi (harappa) + 12.1% pathan (hgdp) @ 3.28
    4 88.9% ashkenazi (harappa) + 11.1% bhatia (harappa) @ 3.31
    5 88.6% ashkenazi (harappa) + 11.4% burusho (hgdp) @ 3.45
    6 88.6% ashkenazi (harappa) + 11.4% sindhi (harappa) @ 3.48
    7 88.4% ashkenazi (harappa) + 11.6% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 3.5
    9 89.6% ashkenazi (harappa) + 10.4% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 3.52
    10 83.9% ashkenazi (harappa) + 16.1% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.53
    11 88.5% ashkenazi (harappa) + 11.5% kashmiri (harappa) @ 3.54
    12 88.8% ashkenazi (harappa) + 11.2% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 3.58
    13 89.7% ashkenazi (harappa) + 10.3% balochi (hgdp) @ 3.59
    14 89.2% ashkenazi (harappa) + 10.8% kashmiri-pandit (reich) @ 3.6
    15 89% ashkenazi (harappa) + 11% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 3.62
    16 89.7% ashkenazi (harappa) + 10.3% makrani (hgdp) @ 3.69
    17 89.7% ashkenazi (harappa) + 10.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.71
    18 88.4% ashkenazi (harappa) + 11.6% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 3.73
    19 89.5% ashkenazi (harappa) + 10.5% punjabi (harappa) @ 3.73
    20 89.8% ashkenazi (harappa) + 10.2% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 3.73



    puntDNAL - Average "South Asian" = 3.17%

     

    puntDNAL K12 Modern

    South_Asian 3.28

    1 77.6% Sicilian_West + 22.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.84
    3 76.5% Sicilian_West + 23.5% Tajik_Pomiri @ 4.16
    4 78.4% Sicilian_East + 21.6% Tajik_Pomiri @ 4.24
    5 51.3% Iranian + 48.7% Spanish_Canaries @ 4.26
    6 79.8% Sicilian_West + 20.2% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 4.37
    7 82.2% Sicilian_West + 17.8% Makrani @ 4.4
    8 83.5% Sicilian_East + 16.5% Burusho @ 4.47
    9 81.8% Sicilian_West + 18.2% Balochi @ 4.48
    10 82% Sicilian_West + 18% Burusho @ 4.48
    11 52.2% Iranian + 47.8% Spanish_Southwest @ 4.52
    12 82.1% Sicilian_West + 17.9% Pathan @ 4.54
    13 66.3% Turkish_Jew + 33.7% Tajik_Pomiri @ 4.56
    14 64.8% Turkish + 35.2% Spanish_Canaries @ 4.59
    15 83% Sicilian_West + 17% Brahui @ 4.66
    16 80.2% Sicilian_East + 19.8% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.8
    17 65.8% Turkish + 34.2% Spanish_Southwest @ 4.83
    18 81.5% Sicilian_West + 18.5% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh @ 4.84
    19 83.2% Sicilian_East + 16.8% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh @ 4.88
    20 85.5% Ashkenazi_Jew + 14.5% Burusho @ 4.91


    puntDNAL K13 Global

    South_Asia 2.77

    19 Romani 18.92


    2 78.2% Italian_Sicilian + 21.8% Tadjik @ 4.51
    3 79.8% Italian_Sicilian + 20.2% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 4.59
    4 81.5% Ashkenazy_Jew + 18.5% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 4.86
    5 80.3% Ashkenazy_Jew + 19.7% Tadjik @ 5.03
    6 84.8% Italian_Sicilian + 15.2% Burusho @ 5.06
    7 74.2% Italian_Sicilian + 25.8% Nogay @ 5.08
    8 86.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 13.9% Burusho @ 5.16
    9 63.6% Turkish_Kayseri + 36.4% Puerto_Rican @ 5.2
    10 76.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 23.6% Nogay @ 5.32
    11 86.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 13.8% Afghan_Hazara @ 5.35
    12 82.7% Italian_Sicilian + 17.3% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.43
    13 76.9% Turkish + 23.1% French_Basque @ 5.44
    14 66.5% Turkish_Kayseri + 33.5% Spaniard @ 5.45
    15 85.3% Italian_Sicilian + 14.7% Afghan_Hazara @ 5.47
    16 71.5% Turkish + 28.5% Spaniard @ 5.49
    17 72.2% Italian_Sicilian + 27.8% Kumyk @ 5.57
    18 83.7% Italian_Sicilian + 16.3% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 5.59
    19 72.6% Turkish_Kayseri + 27.4% French_Basque @ 5.63
    20 87% Italian_Sicilian + 13% Kashmir_Pandit @ 5.65


    puntDNAL K15

    S_Indian 3.46

    1 80.7% Ashkenazy_Jew + 19.3% Tadjik @ 3.64
    2 81.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 18.2% Pashtun @ 3.77
    3 85.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 14.2% Pathan @ 4.06
    4 87% Ashkenazy_Jew + 13% Burusho @ 4.12
    6 54.8% Portuguese + 45.2% Iranian @ 4.48
    7 54.3% Brazilian + 45.7% Kurdish @ 4.54
    8 87.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 12.6% Kashmiri @ 4.56
    9 88.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 11.6% Sindhi @ 4.62
    10 83.5% Greek_Central + 16.5% Somali_Benadiri @ 4.65
    12 57.3% Italian + 42.7% Iraqi_Jew @ 4.72
    13 67% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Lebanese @ 4.73
    14 51.8% Kurdish + 48.2% Spaniard @ 4.73
    15 64.5% Albanian + 35.5% Lebanese @ 4.73
    17 70% Greek_Thessaly + 30% Iraqi_Jew @ 4.78
    19 88.3% Ashkenazy_Jew + 11.7% Brahui @ 4.79





    Gedrosia - Average "South Asian" = 3.69%

     

    Gedrosia K12

    S_INDIAN 3.69

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 74.8% Sicilian + 25.2% Tajik_Pomiri @ 3.37
    2 76.6% Sicilian + 23.4% Pashtun_Afghan @ 3.68
    3 74% Sicilian + 26% Tajik_Afghan @ 4.15
    4 78.1% Sicilian + 21.9% Kurds_SE @ 4.22
    5 75.1% Sicilian + 24.9% Uzbek_Afghan @ 4.7
    6 79.6% Sicilian + 20.4% Pathan @ 4.85
    7 63.8% Greek + 36.2% Kurds_C @ 4.89
    8 65.2% Greek + 34.8% Kurds_F @ 5.07
    9 71.3% Greek + 28.7% Iranian @ 5.64
    10 65.4% Greek + 34.6% Iraqi_Arab_Baghdad @ 5.66
    11 63.6% Greek + 36.4% Kurds_N @ 5.69
    12 82.4% Sicilian + 17.6% Punjabi_Sikh @ 5.72
    13 78.8% Greek + 21.2% Kurds_SE @ 5.74
    14 67.3% Greek + 32.7% Kurds_E @ 5.79
    15 74.6% Sicilian + 25.4% Turkmen_Afghan @ 6.04
    16 82.8% Sicilian + 17.2% Sindhi @ 6.14
    17 82.8% Sicilian + 17.2% Nepali @ 6.33
    18 75.3% Greek + 24.7% Tajik_Afghan @ 6.35
    19 76% Greek + 24% Uzbek_Afghan @ 6.36
    20 68.1% Greek + 31.9% Iraqi_Mandaeans @ 6.48


    Ancient Eurasia K6

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 90.3% Sicilian + 9.7% Palliyar @ 1.45
    2 90.9% Sicilian + 9.1% Paniyas @ 1.52
    3 88.9% Sicilian + 11.1% Bengali @ 2.08
    4 91.4% Sicilian + 8.6% Kharia @ 2.14
    5 88.6% Sicilian + 11.4% Punjabi_PJL @ 2.46
    6 88.6% Sicilian + 11.4% GujaratiD @ 2.59
    7 61.8% Sardinian + 38.2% Makrani @ 2.66
    8 88.4% Sicilian + 11.6% GujaratiC @ 2.81
    9 62.9% Sardinian + 37.1% Brahui @ 2.86
    10 62.9% Sardinian + 37.1% Balochi @ 2.89
    11 61.1% Sardinian + 38.9% Baloch_Iranian @ 2.9
    12 62.3% Sardinian + 37.7% Kurd_SE @ 2.97
    13 78.3% Jew_Moroccan + 21.7% GoyetQ116 @ 2.98
    14 91.5% Jew_Ashkenazi + 8.5% Paniyas @ 3.02
    15 91% Jew_Ashkenazi + 9% Palliyar @ 3.02
    16 85% Jew_Ashkenazi + 15% GoyetQ116 @ 3.06
    17 69.5% Cypriot + 30.5% GoyetQ116 @ 3.09
    18 90.3% Greek + 9.7% Palliyar @ 3.13
    19 55.2% Spanish + 44.8% Iran_N_WC1 @ 3.13
    20 60.1% Spanish + 39.9% Iranian_Shirazi @ 3.19


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    Here are my father's 'phased(?) coordinates as well. I have no idea how to work these and G25, to be honest, so feel free to mess around with them if you would like. They were created from both mine and my mother's coordinates so I don't know if these are full-proof or speculative.
    HTML Code:
    Markos_Father(Samos),0.120652,0.149282,-0.01056,-0.027778,-0.003386,-0.019522,0.00141,-0.005769,-0.00184,0.016219,-0.006658,0.013038,-0.010258,0.011561,-0.017509,-0.016971,-0.000523,-0.00076,0.00528,-0.005003,-0.00836,0.00136,0.004807,-0.006145,0.001916
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    For those curious, this is how it is represented on my commercial tests:

    23andMe
     


    AncestryDNA
     


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    I can also share any of my Romani DNA relatives' results if anybody is curious. But generally, their West Asian component seems to dominate on commercial sites ~45% with a large chunk in the "Mesopotamian" region (which happens to be my largest category under that category as well). Their South Asian component hovers between 19 - 28%, with those closer to 20% being the most common. Whereas it is usually ~25% on GEDMatch calculators such as Eurogenes, for example. On the updated K13 vahaduo calculator under the SINGLE tab, Moldova_Roma, Balkan_Gypsy, and Romani appear at roughly 80%. These are "full-blooded" Romani results from Greece, Turkey, and the Southern Balkans. However, there is a lot of variation and flip-flopping of percentages I don't quite understand yet, in their results.
    Last edited by Markos; 12-18-2020 at 04:04 AM.
     
    Dodecad K12b
    Distance: 0.8790% / 0.87904303
    Target: Markos | ADC: 0.5x RC
    68.0 Greek_Athens
    21.8 Greek_Foca
    8.4 Balkan_Gypsy
    1.8 Greek_Lemnos

    G25 Modern
    Distance: 1.4201% / 0.01420105
    Target: Markos_scaled
    41.5 Greek_Peloponnese
    39.5 Greek_Crete
    10.0 Roma_Barcelona
    9.0 Greek_Thessaly

    Eurogenes K13
    Distance: 1.6988% / 1.69878934
    Target: Markos | ADC: 0.25x RC
    65.3 Greek_West
    29.1 Greek_Symi_Island
    5.6 Gypsy_Wallachia


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    Interesting! Thanks very much for sharing.

    If you don't mind me asking, how many CM do you share with your Romani matches? Is there a ballpark average, given the shared ancestry was likely 4-5 gens back, or does it vary? I am working on something similar for my own family hence interested to swap notes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Ali View Post
    Interesting! Thanks very much for sharing.

    If you don't mind me asking, how many CM do you share with your Romani matches? Is there a ballpark average, given the shared ancestry was likely 4-5 gens back, or does it vary? I am working on something similar for my own family hence interested to swap notes!
    Thank you! Yeah, it definitely varies. Also every single Roma match I've spoken to is adopted. So, it's made the oral history part of it all extremely difficult. I've had to rely solely on the "math". A quick search of my matches shows, at the moment, it ranges from about 45 cM down to 35, 25, (etc, etc) and ~10 cM for my more distant matches. So it really depends.
     
    Dodecad K12b
    Distance: 0.8790% / 0.87904303
    Target: Markos | ADC: 0.5x RC
    68.0 Greek_Athens
    21.8 Greek_Foca
    8.4 Balkan_Gypsy
    1.8 Greek_Lemnos

    G25 Modern
    Distance: 1.4201% / 0.01420105
    Target: Markos_scaled
    41.5 Greek_Peloponnese
    39.5 Greek_Crete
    10.0 Roma_Barcelona
    9.0 Greek_Thessaly

    Eurogenes K13
    Distance: 1.6988% / 1.69878934
    Target: Markos | ADC: 0.25x RC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markos View Post
    Thank you! Yeah, it definitely varies. Also every single Roma match I've spoken to is adopted. So, it's made the oral history part of it all extremely difficult. I've had to rely solely on the "math". A quick search of my matches shows, at the moment, it ranges from about 45 cM down to 35, 25, (etc, etc) and ~10 cM for my more distant matches. So it really depends.
    Regarding your father's phased coordinates (I believe the term Kaspias and phter2 prefer is "subtracted"?). They (your father's) were made just like my father's were, basically an average of what your father's result should be, based on how you and your mother's coordinates differ. Using some sophisticated math of course.

    My opinion on the accuracy of the method is that it gives a very good and reasonable midpoint/plot point, and also reveals likely tendencies and trends in the parent in questions ancestry. However, the more distant the ancestries of the parents (less overlap of components) the better this kind of phasing/subtraction seems to work. Both of your parents being Greek, there may be reduced accuracy.

    However, I believe, bolstered by the strength of the evidence you have discovered regarding your matches, that your father's phased/subtracted coordinates correctly identify a minor, deep, Roma lineage.
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    Congratulations, that you confirmed something new in your heritage. My situation with distant Sephardic is somewhat similar to yours, I have such matches, it is showing on calculators and G25 as 1/16 Levantine, just like your Romani as 1/16 South Asia, though these two populations are not fully descended from place, what they leave and it reads it in this way, probably because it is distant, however I still don't know who exactly in family was of this ancestry, I bought 23andme kit for my parent and I hope I will confirm something or otherwise, reject it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post
    Regarding your father's phased coordinates (I believe the term Kaspias and phter2 prefer is "subtracted"?). They (your father's) were made just like my father's were, basically an average of what your father's result should be, based on how you and your mother's coordinates differ. Using some sophisticated math of course.

    My opinion on the accuracy of the method is that it gives a very good and reasonable midpoint/plot point, and also reveals likely tendencies and trends in the parent in questions ancestry. However, the more distant the ancestries of the parents (less overlap of components) the better this kind of phasing/subtraction seems to work. Both of your parents being Greek, there may be reduced accuracy.

    However, I believe, bolstered by the strength of the evidence you have discovered regarding your matches, that your father's phased/subtracted coordinates correctly identify a minor, deep, Roma lineage.
    Thanks for the explanation! Yeah as "distant" as it seems, my father would be 1/8 Roma which means somewhere out there, he actually has Romani second cousins. (Assuming I am doing the "math" correctly.)
     
    Dodecad K12b
    Distance: 0.8790% / 0.87904303
    Target: Markos | ADC: 0.5x RC
    68.0 Greek_Athens
    21.8 Greek_Foca
    8.4 Balkan_Gypsy
    1.8 Greek_Lemnos

    G25 Modern
    Distance: 1.4201% / 0.01420105
    Target: Markos_scaled
    41.5 Greek_Peloponnese
    39.5 Greek_Crete
    10.0 Roma_Barcelona
    9.0 Greek_Thessaly

    Eurogenes K13
    Distance: 1.6988% / 1.69878934
    Target: Markos | ADC: 0.25x RC
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    Congratulations, that you confirmed something new in your heritage. My situation with distant Sephardic is somewhat similar to yours, I have such matches, it is showing on calculators and G25 as 1/16 Levantine, just like your Romani as 1/16 South Asia, though these two populations are not fully descended from place, what they leave and it reads it in this way, probably because it is distant, however I still don't know who exactly in family was of this ancestry, I bought 23andme kit for my parent and I hope I will confirm something or otherwise, reject it
    That's really interesting. I really hope you are able to find some answers ASAP! Looking forward to seeing your parent's 23andMe results when they arrive.
     
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    Target: Markos_scaled
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    10.0 Roma_Barcelona
    9.0 Greek_Thessaly

    Eurogenes K13
    Distance: 1.6988% / 1.69878934
    Target: Markos | ADC: 0.25x RC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    the only calculator you need to focus on to detect romani ancestry is eurogenes k12b
    Why do you think that? (I am genuinely interested).
     
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    10.0 Roma_Barcelona
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    Target: Markos | ADC: 0.25x RC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markos View Post
    Thanks for the explanation! Yeah as "distant" as it seems, my father would be 1/8 Roma which means somewhere out there, he actually has Romani second cousins. (Assuming I am doing the "math" correctly.)
    My mom is 1/8 English, so when you put it like that, yeah I realize it is not so deep.

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