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    The new European calculator

    My second calculator. Most of the samples are from the Iron Age

    Advice if you got screwed up results, Remove populations not relevant for your ancestry.

    Try it with ADD DIST COL - 0.25X on Vahaduo with scaled coordinates.


    Code:
    British:England_IA,0.1317503,0.1307495,0.0601505,0.0480462,0.0350832,0.0201498,0.0048175,0.0036922,0.0042438,0.0041915,-0.0044248,0.0057322,-0.0105175,-0.018476,0.0180167,0.0100438,0.001206,-6.33e-05,0.0033312,0.003908,0.0038995,0.000247,-0.0012018,0.0114172,0.0004493
    
    Germanic:FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o,0.135449,0.121864,0.083344,0.072352,0.047393,0.019522,-0.0094,0.005077,0.011453,0.001276,0.001137,0.002548,-0.011001,-0.013625,0.034609,0.0118,-0.004563,0.001647,0.012067,0.019384,0.000374,-0.001237,-0.004683,-0.002048,0.005389
    
    Germanic:SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna,0.1271224,0.1253377,0.0747295,0.065161,0.0408658,0.0216214,0.0062957,0.010117,0.0020776,-0.0121906,-0.0015214,0.003652,-0.0001408,-0.0004635,0.0130149,0.0058408,-0.0046871,0.0030273,0.003685,0.0039164,0.0028765,0.0033256,0.0007914,0.0075659,-0.0002459
    
    Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
    
    Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
    
    Greek:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o,0.118376,0.156392,-0.001131,-0.05168,0.020004,-0.01506,-0.004465,-0.004615,0.002863,0.030069,0.002598,0.007793,-0.012636,-0.002064,-0.012486,0.007027,0.019818,-0.002787,0.000251,-0.001126,-0.000624,0.004699,-0.001602,0.002651,-0.000359
    
    Iberian/French:Iberia_North_IA,0.125205,0.1431895,0.06505 3,0.0114665,0.058011,0.003347,-0.0034075,0.0045,0.026077,0.034989,-0.002192,0.0088425,-0.0169475,-0.0085325,0.0107215,6.65e-05,-0.008279,0.0008865,-0.000126,-0.00075,0.0082355,0.0023495,-0.0070865,-0.0118085,-0.0061075
    
    Baltic:Baltic_EST_IA,0.12881,0.1064613,0.093903,0.0930778,0.0434952,0.0322583,0.0097137,0.0131533,0.0019773,-0.036356,0.0054128,-0.0121143,0.0222,0.0148862,-0.0057682,0.0081983,0.010474,-0.0006547,0.003289,0.011193,0.0060727,-0.00237,0.0028553,-0.0118087,-0.0021555
    
    Slavic:BaltoSlavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad,0.133742,0.12948,0.073 727,0.057494,0.0373915,0.029144,0.0094,0.007269,0. 004295,-0.018224,-0.001543,-0.006369,0.0102575,0.017753,-0.0138435,0.0007295,0.0002605,0.0034205,0.0055305, 0.001313,0,-0.002782,0.010846,-0.0069285,0.001736
    
    Siberian:Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477,0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
    Some runs:

    Target: Spanish_Cataluna
    Distance: 1.6324% / 0.01632362 | ADC: 0.25x
    67.0 Iberian/French
    22.0 Greek
    9.8 British
    1.2 Italic
    Target: Finnish_East
    Distance: 2.3252% / 0.02325204 | ADC: 0.25x
    66.2 Baltic
    27.8 Germanic
    6.0 Siberian
    Target: Finnish
    Distance: 1.8705% / 0.01870512 | ADC: 0.25x
    51.2 Germanic
    45.0 Baltic
    3.8 Siberian
    Target: Danish
    Distance: 1.3145% / 0.01314481 | ADC: 0.25x
    49.4 British
    45.4 Germanic
    5.2 Iberian/French
    Target: Swedish
    Distance: 1.0685% / 0.01068542 | ADC: 0.25x
    71.8 Germanic
    23.8 British
    4.4 Iberian/French
    Target: Italian_Lombardy
    Distance: 2.1712% / 0.02171194 | ADC: 0.25x
    39.6 Italic
    37.8 Greek
    10.0 Germanic
    9.6 Iberian/French
    3.0 British
    Target: Italian_Liguria
    Distance: 2.8759% / 0.02875858 | ADC: 0.25x
    45.2 Greek
    22.2 Italic
    14.2 Iberian/French
    12.0 Germanic
    6.4 Slavic
    Target: Italian_Lazio
    Distance: 2.1644% / 0.02164417 | ADC: 0.25x
    81.2 Greek
    10.4 Germanic
    6.6 Italic
    1.8 Iberian/French
    Target: Italian_Bergamo
    Distance: 1.4400% / 0.01439959 | ADC: 0.25x
    39.0 Italic
    36.4 Greek
    9.8 Germanic
    7.6 Iberian/French
    7.2 British
    Target: Croatian
    Distance: 1.2448% / 0.01244763 | ADC: 0.25x
    60.0 Slavic
    24.4 Greek
    15.4 Germanic
    0.2 Italic
    Target: English
    Distance: 1.6021% / 0.01602123 | ADC: 0.25x
    71.6 British
    14.4 Iberian/French
    14.0 Germanic
    Target: Albanian
    Distance: 2.0812% / 0.02081216 | ADC: 0.25x
    69.6 Greek
    27.8 Slavic
    2.0 Italic
    0.6 Siberian
    Target: Russian_Kursk
    Distance: 2.0242% / 0.02024234 | ADC: 0.25x
    74.8 Slavic
    23.2 Baltic
    1.0 Greek
    1.0 Siberian

    Target: Russian_Pinega
    Distance: 2.6028% / 0.02602803 | ADC: 0.25x
    74.0 Baltic
    17.8 Slavic
    8.0 Siberian
    0.2 Germanic




    Example how you can make your results more realistic.

    This is a run with all samples:
    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.8305% / 0.01830543 | ADC: 0.25x
    77.4 British
    13.6 Italic
    7.0 Baltic
    2.0 Siberian
    Removed the British sample because it would not make much sense for a person like me with most North and Central Swedish ancestry + that it "eats" up my southern ancestry:

    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 2.3539% / 0.02353880 | ADC: 0.25x
    70.6 Germanic
    23.0 Italic
    4.6 Greek
    1.8 Siberian
    The distance is a bit higher, but the final result is more in line with my known ancestry.










    UPDATE.

    I added some better Greek samples because my choice of Greek was acctually Italic mixed and not pure Greek. I renamed it South-Italic.

    I also added a Balkan Sample (Iron age Croatia).

    Version 2.0:

    Code:
    British:England_IA,0.1317503,0.1307495,0.0601505,0.0480462,0.0350832,0.0201498,0.0048175,0.0036922,0.0042438,0.0041915,-0.0044248,0.0057322,-0.0105175,-0.018476,0.0180167,0.0100438,0.001206,-6.33e-05,0.0033312,0.003908,0.0038995,0.000247,-0.0012018,0.0114172,0.0004493
    
    Germanic:FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o,0.135449,0.121864,0.083344,0.072352,0.047393,0.019522,-0.0094,0.005077,0.011453,0.001276,0.001137,0.002548,-0.011001,-0.013625,0.034609,0.0118,-0.004563,0.001647,0.012067,0.019384,0.000374,-0.001237,-0.004683,-0.002048,0.005389
    
    Germanic:SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna,0.1271224,0.1253377,0.0747295,0.065161,0.0408658,0.0216214,0.0062957,0.010117,0.0020776,-0.0121906,-0.0015214,0.003652,-0.0001408,-0.0004635,0.0130149,0.0058408,-0.0046871,0.0030273,0.003685,0.0039164,0.0028765,0.0033256,0.0007914,0.0075659,-0.0002459
    
    Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA,0.127482,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
    
    Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA,0.133173,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
    
    South-Italic:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o,0.118376,0.156392,-0.001131,-0.05168,0.020004,-0.01506,-0.004465,-0.004615,0.002863,0.030069,0.002598,0.007793,-0.012636,-0.002064,-0.012486,0.007027,0.019818,-0.002787,0.000251,-0.001126,-0.000624,0.004699,-0.001602,0.002651,-0.000359
    
    Iberian/French:Iberia_North_IA,0.125205,0.1431895,0.06505 3,0.0114665,0.058011,0.003347,-0.0034075,0.0045,0.026077,0.034989,-0.002192,0.0088425,-0.0169475,-0.0085325,0.0107215,6.65e-05,-0.008279,0.0008865,-0.000126,-0.00075,0.0082355,0.0023495,-0.0070865,-0.0118085,-0.0061075
    
    Baltic:Baltic_EST_IA,0.12881,0.1064613,0.093903,0.0930778,0.0434952,0.0322583,0.0097137,0.0131533,0.0019773,-0.036356,0.0054128,-0.0121143,0.0222,0.0148862,-0.0057682,0.0081983,0.010474,-0.0006547,0.003289,0.011193,0.0060727,-0.00237,0.0028553,-0.0118087,-0.0021555
    
    Slavic:BaltoSlavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad,0.133742,0.12948,0.073 727,0.057494,0.0373915,0.029144,0.0094,0.007269,0. 004295,-0.018224,-0.001543,-0.006369,0.0102575,0.017753,-0.0138435,0.0007295,0.0002605,0.0034205,0.0055305, 0.001313,0,-0.002782,0.010846,-0.0069285,0.001736
    
    Siberian:Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477,0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
    
    Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.01169,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
    
    Greek:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,0.118376,0.158423,-0.009051,-0.0670225,0.0252355,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005077,0.0049085,0.042552,0.002842,0.01124,-0.016873,0.003578,-0.018526,-0.0157785,0.0035855,0.0003805,0.004588,-0.0126935,-0.008298,0.001546,0.001664,0.0071095,-0.008502
    
    Greek:GRC_Mycenaean,0.107847,0.1563915,-0.008108,-0.0646808,0.0216962,-0.0271222,-0.0005288,-0.0021345,0.00542,0.047336,0.005521,0.0169352,-0.012785,-0.0006195,-0.0163882,-0.0098118,0.0210245,0.0036108,0.0123188,-0.0039705,-0.0058648,0.0001858,-0.0065935,0.0011448,-0.0007185
    Last edited by Nino90; 12-26-2020 at 04:40 PM.
    Hidden Content

    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

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    Maybe I should add some North African for our Iberian users?

    Any idea what sample I should use?
    Hidden Content

    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

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    I-Y151633>I-FT10714
    mtDNA (M)
    H4d

    Bulgaria North Macedonia Greek Macedonia European Union
    Here is me nothing suprising it makes perfect sense.
    Target: Vasil_scaled
    Distance: 2.5406% / 0.02540625 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    51.0 Slavic
    47.8 Greek
    1.2 Siberian

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasil View Post
    Here is me nothing suprising it makes perfect sense.
    Target: Vasil_scaled
    Distance: 2.5406% / 0.02540625 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    51.0 Slavic
    47.8 Greek
    1.2 Siberian
    Nice it worked out well. I have no native Balkan sample.
    Instead the Greek is acctually from mainland Italy but close to Greeks and South Italians.

    The Siberian however. Could it be choosen because of possible East Asian admixture from the Ottoman invaders?

    Thanks for posting!
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    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

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    H4d

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    Nice it worked out well. I have no native Balkan sample.
    Instead the Greek is acctually from mainland Italy but close to Greeks and South Italians.

    The Siberian however. Could it be choosen because of possible East Asian admixture from the Ottoman invaders?

    Thanks for posting!
    Almost all Bulgarians score some East Asian around 1-3 percent there were Avars, Bulgars, Cumans, Tatars etc. settling in the Balkans from the Early Middle Ages to the Ottoman Period so if its around 1-3 percent its probably from just random Steppe admixture but if its more than that and there is extra Anatolian type admixture then its probably Ottomans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasil View Post
    Almost all Bulgarians score some East Asian around 1-3 percent there were Avars, Bulgars, Cumans, Tatars etc. settling in the Balkans from the Early Middle Ages to the Ottoman Period so if its around 1-3 percent its probably from just random Steppe admixture but if its more than that and there is extra Anatolian type admixture then its probably Ottomans.
    Of course.

    Bulgarians should have some low East Asian arriving with the original Bulgar tribes.

    My bad, I forgot.
    Hidden Content

    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

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    Y-DNA (P)
    E-BY14160
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    J1c
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    I1a1

    Germany Italy Sweden Netherlands
    Myself
    Distance: 3.0809% / 0.03080878 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    50.6 Germanic
    23.8 Italic
    19.0 Greek
    4.2 Iberian/French
    2.4 Slavic

    Paternal aunt
    Distance: 3.9187% / 0.03918723 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    56.2 Greek
    40.0 Germanic
    2.0 Slavic
    1.8 Italic

    we have pretty bad distances right out of the gate
    distance%=4.6465"
    Barcin_N,47.2
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
    WHG,10.6
    Ethiopia_4500BP,0.8


    E-V13 => E-PH1246 => E-BY14160
    Antonio Reale born circa 1710, Ciminŕ (RC) Italy

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    R1b-U152-Z36+FGC6511
    mtDNA (M)
    H11a2a

    United States of America Germany England France Scotland Ireland
    Me:

    Distance: 1.7077599976004503%

    British: 32.5%
    Italic: 29.1%
    Germanic: 24.5%
    Iberian/French: 10.1%
    Greek: 3.2%
    Siberian: 0.5%

    Dad:

    Distance: 2.3709472543436085%

    British: 58.5%
    Greek: 14.7%
    Italic: 14.1%
    Baltic: 7.6%
    Germanic: 3.4%
    Siberian: 1.8%

    Mom:

    Distance: 1.8109896707620938%

    British: 48.2%
    Italic: 28.4%
    Germanic: 13.3%
    Slavic: 9.1%
    Iberian/French: 1.0%

    Wife:

    Distance: 1.6550269724065245%

    British: 47.7%
    Germanic: 22.5%
    Iberian/French: 16.8%
    Greek: 13.1%

    Father in law:

    Distance: 3.4889468941475195%

    Germanic: 41.0%
    British: 29.0%
    Iberian/French: 26.7%
    Greek: 3.3%

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  17. #9
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    Ethnicity
    Northern Ireland
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    Northern Irish
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    R1b-L193(BY2634)

    Northern Ireland Ireland Scotland
    Distance: 2.4011% / 0.02401130
    Target: Owen_scaled | ADC: 0.25x RC
    95.9 British
    4.1 Germanic

    Distance: 2.5345% / 0.02534546
    Target: OwenMom_scaled | ADC: 0.25x RC
    84.8 British
    12.5 Germanic
    2.7 Iberian/French

    Distance: 2.7388% / 0.02738751
    Target: OwenDad_scaled | ADC: 0.25x RC
    100.0 British

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    Sex
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    Brittany
    Nationality
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    Y-DNA (P)
    R-U106>DF98>BY650
    mtDNA (M)
    K1a

    France Bretagne Trégor France Bretagne Kroaz Du
    Target: Trelvern_scaled
    Distance: 2.1618% / 0.02161830 | ADC: 0.25x

    75.2 British
    13.4 Iberian/French
    8.2 Italic
    2.6 Greek
    0.6 Germanic


    Target: Trelvern_scaled
    Distance: 2.1068% / 0.02106829 | ADC: 0.25x RC

    58.8 British
    15.8 Germanic
    12.0 Italic
    7.8 Greek
    5.6 Iberian/French

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