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    Experiment with Vahaduo modern scaled Distance Feature

    I was playing with the scaled modern individual version of Vahaduo.

    When I used the distance tab, I noted that I had several Welsh and English individual samples, which is good based on my known ancestry; See my signature for my paper trail percentages.
    but when I run it on the single tab, they aren't there. Instead they've been eclipsed by the Irish, Dutch, Danish, etc samples which aren't very representative of my actual ancestry.

    So I decided to do a little experiment:
    On the Distance tab I set the Max output to 75, copied and pasted the results into a spreadsheet, and repeated process for 100 output.
    In excel I sorted the populations by name

    Of my top 75
    7 Danish
    2 Dutch
    6 English
    5 English Cornwall
    3 French Brittany
    5 Icelandic
    13 Ireland
    2 Norwegian
    5 Orcadian
    13 Scottish
    1 Shetlandic
    1 Swedish
    10 Welsh

    Of my top 100
    12 Danish
    2 Dutch
    10 English
    5 English Cornwall
    5 French Brittany
    1 French Nord
    2 German
    6 Icelandic
    18 Irish
    2 Norwegian
    6 Orcadian
    15 Scottish
    2 Shetlandic
    3 Swedish
    11 Welsh

    Using excel (copy/paste/sort) I figured out how many total samples there were for each of these populations, and calculated what percentage of the total I had for my cloest 75 and 100 samples

    The results: Percentage of total samples in my top 75 closest individual samples
    50% of Welsh (10 of 20 Welsh samples in my top 75)
    50% of Orcadian
    46.4% of Scottish
    41.7% of Icelandic
    38.5% of Cornwall
    33.3% Shetlandic
    31.6% of English
    28.6% of Norwegian
    15.9% Danish
    15.3% of Irish
    14.3% of Swedish
    7.5% of French Brittany
    3.1% of Dutch

    For my top 100 closest on the Distance tab
    66.7% of the Shetlandic (2 out of 3 total)
    60% of the Orcadian (6 of 10)
    55% of the Welsh (11 of 20)
    53.6% of the Scottish (15 of 28)
    52.6% of the English (10 of 19)
    50% of Icelandic (6 of 12)
    38.5% of English Cornwall (5 of 13)
    28.6% of Norwegian (2 of 7)
    27.3% of Danish (12 of 44)
    21.2% of Irish (18 of 85)
    14.3% of Swedish (3 of 21)
    12.5% of French Brittany (5 of 40)
    3% of French Nord (1 of 33)
    3.1% of Dutch (2 of 64)
    2.5% of German (2 of 79)

    Note that similar to my paper ancestry, the English, Scottish, and Welsh have much higher percentages than the Dutch, German, Danish, and Irish who tend to dominate my Single runs on Vahaduo.

    Curious if other members also see results that are also more reflective of their ancestry.
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 01-05-2021 at 12:06 AM. Reason: Fixed error in # of Scottish samples and updated %
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    Irish 26
    Scottish 16
    Welsh 11
    Cornwall 9
    Orcadian 8
    English 7
    Danish 6
    Icelandic 5
    Brittany:French 3
    Norwegian 3
    Swedish 3
    Brittany:Rennes 2
    Shetland 1
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    Top 100

    Irish 19
    Danish 16
    Scottish 12
    Welsh 9
    English_Cornwall 8
    French_Brittany 7
    Icelandic 6
    Orcadian 6
    Swedish 6
    English 4
    Norwegian 3
    Shetlandic 2
    Dutch 1
    German 1

    Top 75

    Irish 15
    Danish 11
    Scottish 9
    Welsh 8
    English_Cornwall 7
    Icelandic 6
    Orcadian 6
    French_Brittany 3
    Norwegian 3
    Shetlandic 2
    Swedish 2
    Dutch 1
    English 1
    German 1

    Conclusion: Very Irish (partially correct) and... Danish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    My top 100 distant


    Just noticed an error in my Scottish total (28 instead of 15 total samples), which I've edited/fixed

    So you would have in descending order:
    Perecentage of total samples in your top 100:
    Orcadian 8 (80%)
    Cornwall 9 (69.2%)
    Scottish 16 (57.1%)
    Welsh 11 (55%)
    Norwegian 3 (42.9%)
    Icelandic 5 (41.7%)
    English 7 (36.8%)
    Shetland 1 (33%)
    Irish 26 (30.6%)
    Swedish 3 (14.3%)
    Danish 6 (13.6%)
    French Brittany (12.5%)
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 01-04-2021 at 11:58 PM. Reason: Combined both French Brittanys pops
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    37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    Quote Originally Posted by lana6765 View Post
    Top 100

    Irish 19
    Danish 16
    Scottish 12
    Welsh 9
    English_Cornwall 8
    French_Brittany 7
    Icelandic 6
    Orcadian 6
    Swedish 6
    English 4
    Norwegian 3
    Shetlandic 2
    Dutch 1
    German 1

    Top 75

    Irish 15
    Danish 11
    Scottish 9
    Welsh 8
    English_Cornwall 7
    Icelandic 6
    Orcadian 6
    French_Brittany 3
    Norwegian 3
    Shetlandic 2
    Swedish 2
    Dutch 1
    English 1
    German 1

    Conclusion: Very Irish (partially correct) and... Danish!
    Your Top 100
    Shetlandic 66.7%
    English_Cornwall 61.5%
    Orcadian 60.0%
    Icelandic 50.0%
    Welsh 45.0%
    Scottish 42.9%
    Norwegian 42.9%
    Danish 36.4%
    Swedish 28.6%
    Irish 22.4%
    English 21.1%
    French_Brittany 17.5%
    Dutch 1.6%
    German 1.3%

    Top 75
    Shetlandic 66.7%
    Orcadian 60.0%
    English_Cornwall 53.8%
    Icelandic 50.0%
    Norwegian 42.9%
    Welsh 40.0%
    Scottish 32.1%
    Danish 25.0%
    Irish 17.6%
    Swedish 9.5%
    French_Brittany 7.5%
    English 5.3%
    Dutch 1.6%
    German 1.3%
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 01-04-2021 at 11:53 PM.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Just noticed an error in my Scottish total (28 instead of 15 total samples), which I've edited/fixed

    So you would have in descending order:
    Perecentage of total samples in your top 100:
    Orcadian 8 (80%)
    Cornwall 9 (69.2%)
    Scottish 16 (57.1%)
    Welsh 11 (55%)
    Norwegian 3 (42.9%)
    Icelandic 5 (41.7%)
    English 7 (36.8%)
    Shetland 1 (33%)
    Irish 26 (30.6%)
    Swedish 3 (14.3%)
    Danish 6 (13.6%)
    Brittany:French 3 (7.5%)
    Brittany:Rennes 2 (6.5%)
    Thanks for doing that.

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    Irish 30 (35.31)
    Scottish 14(50)
    Danish 9 (20.4)
    Orcadian 8(80)
    Welsh 7 (35)
    Dutch 5 (?)
    English 5 (26.29)
    Cornwall 4 (30.76)
    Icelandic 4 (33.36)
    Norwegian 4(57.2)
    Brittany:combined 3(7.5)
    Swedish 3 (14.3)
    Afrikaner 2 (?)
    Shetlandic 2 (66)


    father

    Irish 17 (20.01)
    Welsh 13 (65)
    Scottish 12 (46.43)
    Brittany:combined 10 (25)
    Danish 10(22.67)
    Cornwall 9 (69.21)
    English 9 (47.31)
    Orcadian 6 (60)
    Icelandic 4 (33.36)
    Norwegian 3 (42.9)
    Afrikaner 2 (?)
    German 2 (?)
    Swedish 2 (9.53)
    French:Nord 1(?)
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    Top 100 (Percent of total)

    Modern Population Samples in top 100 Percent of total samples
    Shetlandic 2 66.66666667
    English_Cornwall 8 61.53846154
    Orcadian 6 60
    Icelandic 6 50
    Welsh 9 45
    Scottish 12 42.85714286
    Norwegian 3 42.85714286
    Danish 16 36.36363636
    Swedish 6 28.57142857
    Irish 19 22.35294118
    English 4 21.05263158
    French_Brittany 7 17.5
    Dutch 1 1.5625
    German 1 1.265822785

    Oops already done!
    Last edited by lana6765; 01-04-2021 at 11:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    Thanks for doing that.
    You're welcome. I edited it so that both French Brittany pops are combined into 1 percentage for you.

    For reference my closest matches with a distance less than 0.030
     
    Distance to: Mitchell_scaled
    0.01920487 Orcadian:HGDP00797
    0.01970579 Irish:Irish55
    0.01974325 English_Cornwall:HG00243
    0.01980748 Orcadian:HGDP00803
    0.01998120 English_Cornwall:HG00160
    0.02002265 Welsh:WalesCHF13
    0.02121853 Danish: Denmark3
    0.02131774 Welsh:WalesDR94
    0.02166536 Danish:491
    0.02167979 Irish:Irish44
    0.02192669 Irish:Irish50
    0.02194278 Scottish:Scottish24
    0.02259608 English:England11
    0.02260717 English:English2
    0.02268279 English_Cornwall:HG00255
    0.02276266 Dutch:Netherlands7
    0.02295146 French_Brittany:French24090
    0.02311794 English_Cornwall:HG00259
    0.02340070 Icelandic:NA15758
    0.02346414 Icelandic:NA15764
    0.02366512 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_23
    0.02376860 Welsh:WalesCHF63
    0.02380586 Scottish:Scottish27
    0.02388690 Welsh:WalesL86
    0.02400534 Welsh:WalesL44
    0.02422271 Scottish:Scottish9
    0.02444875 Swedish:Sweden4
    0.02471973 Scottish:Scottish13
    0.02477350 Scottish:Scottish7
    0.02479712 Dutch:Netherlands11
    0.02487150 Welsh:WAL001
    0.02499200 Danish:503
    0.02500964 Welsh:WalesL40
    0.02509179 Scottish:Scottish15
    0.02509352 Welsh:WAL004
    0.02540640 Irish:Irish60
    0.02542308 Orcadian:HGDP00800
    0.02542585 English:HG01791
    0.02547433 Swedish:Sweden9
    0.02553232 Icelandic:NA15766
    0.02554633 Orcadian:HGDP00805
    0.02571043 Irish:Irish57
    0.02576198 English:English5
    0.02580730 Orcadian:HGDP00799
    0.02585958 Irish:Irish65
    0.02588541 Irish:Irish61
    0.02589316 Scottish:Scottish22
    0.02598438 Danish:475
    0.02599278 Scottish:Scottish10
    0.02603155 Shetlandic:Shetlands3
    0.02604894 Swedish:Sweden1
    0.02606901 English_Cornwall:HG00264
    0.02614641 Irish:Irish51
    0.02624039 English:England12
    0.02624984 Irish:Irish64
    0.02663315 Scottish:Scottish17
    0.02668592 Welsh:WalesDR56
    0.02680443 Irish:Irish33
    0.02690865 Welsh:WAL003
    0.02691330 Danish:506
    0.02695022 Scottish:Scottish12
    0.02696618 Danish:429
    0.02702765 Irish:516
    0.02718972 Scottish:Scottish19
    0.02719622 Danish:435
    0.02721261 Scottish:Scottish6
    0.02723503 Norwegian:NOR108
    0.02731347 Icelandic:NA15759
    0.02731465 Icelandic:NA15757
    0.02735266 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_95
    0.02750819 English:English4
    0.02753339 Irish:Irish47
    0.02761511 Scottish:Scottish18
    0.02763151 Norwegian:NOR101
    0.02763791 Irish:Irish21
    0.02766411 English:England9
    0.02780941 Shetlandic:Shetlands2
    0.02783564 English:England7
    0.02786515 English:HG01790
    0.02792579 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_4
    0.02795427 English:England8
    0.02801481 Irish:Irish41
    0.02808864 Danish:431
    0.02809446 Danish:443
    0.02821274 Scottish:Scottish5
    0.02835173 Danish:499
    0.02835954 Orcadian:HGDP00796
    0.02837056 Irish:Irish53
    0.02839922 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_46
    0.02840893 German:German31
    0.02842829 Irish:Irish59
    0.02850221 Danish:436
    0.02859477 German:German34
    0.02878735 Welsh:WalesBK68
    0.02884423 Irish:Irish37
    0.02890832 Scottish:Scottish26
    0.02891883 French_Nord:N_64
    0.02896898 Danish:495
    0.02903972 Icelandic:NA15760
    0.02911426 Irish:Irish48
    0.02914960 Shetlandic:Shetlands1
    0.02918992 Welsh:WalesBK21
    0.02920025 Scottish:Scottish16
    0.02926171 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_59
    0.02928023 Scottish:Scottish2
    0.02931254 Scottish:Scottish1
    0.02933326 Irish:510
    0.02934927 French_Brittany:French23989
    0.02939943 Icelandic:NA15765
    0.02943861 Orcadian:HGDP00804
    0.02946223 English_Cornwall:HG00232
    0.02948559 Welsh:WalesL42
    0.02950333 French_Brittany:French23833
    0.02952633 Swedish:Sweden13
    0.02953263 German:German1
    0.02955619 Irish:Irish56
    0.02956342 Danish:493
    0.02963287 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_11
    0.02963618 Irish:Irish34
    0.02964370 Norwegian:NOR107
    0.02968643 Irish:Irish19
    0.02969773 Welsh:WalesBK54
    0.02981586 Orcadian:HGDP00802
    0.02981962 Irish:512
    0.02986974 Danish:430
    0.02992944 French_Brittany:French24400
    0.02995142 English_Cornwall:HG00239
    0.02996917 English_Cornwall:HG00236
    0.02998461 Irish:Irish10


    And distance to modern average modern pops scaled <0.030
     
    Distance to: Mitchell_scaled
    0.01574125 Scottish
    0.01608683 Orcadian
    0.01650065 Dutch
    0.01726285 Irish
    0.01745116 English
    0.01785504 Danish
    0.01849932 Welsh
    0.01990622 Shetlandic
    0.02007365 Icelandic
    0.02087607 English_Cornwall
    0.02265743 Norwegian
    0.02290444 French_Brittany
    0.02462293 German
    0.02550027 Swedish
    0.02831348 Afrikaner
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 01-05-2021 at 12:43 AM.
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    37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    Afrikaner 18 (81.82%)
    Tatars 21 (38.18%)
    Mordovian 9 (20.00%)
    Dutch 11 (17.19%)
    Roma 8 (16.33%)
    Hungarian 2 (14.29%)
    Moldovan 5 (10.64%)
    Turkish 16 (10.19%)
    Komi 1 (10.00%)
    Belgian 2 (7.41%)
    Austrian 1 (5.88%)
    Finnish 1 (4.00%)
    Danish 1 (2.27%)
    Irish 1 (1.18%)
    German 1 (1.00%)
    French 1 (0.39%)
    Ethnogene: 51.4% NW European, 21.6% W European, 10.1% Southeastern African, 9.5% Southeast Asian, 4.4% South Asian, 2% Scandinavian, 1% East African
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    My mum top 100 with distances under the spoiler below, obviously being mixed the distances are fairly large.

    Maori 1 (100.00%)
    Uzbek 10 (100.00%)
    Turkmen 32 (91.43%)
    Tatars 18 (32.73%)
    Tajik 13 (28.26%)
    Bashkir 8 (25.81%)
    Hazara 2 (25.00%)
    Uygur 1 (20.00%)
    Nogai 3 (18.75%)
    Iranian 8 (3.45%)
    Roma 1 (2.04%)
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    0.14031463 Maori:S_Maori-1
    0.14496450 Tatar_Crimean_steppe:Crimean_steppe1
    0.14883801 Uzbek:495_R02C02
    0.15173944 Nogai:NOG-125
    0.15569496 Turkmen:TUR054
    0.15579624 Tatar_Crimean_steppe:Crimean_steppe2
    0.15617155 Turkmen:TUR012
    0.15618417 Tatar_Lipka:Tatar_Lipka3
    0.15635925 Tatar_Lipka:Tatar_Lipka4
    0.15686545 Tatar_Lipka:Tatar_Lipka6
    0.15766593 Bashkir:BAS-121
    0.15794084 Turkmen:TUR013
    0.15871616 Turkmen:TUR018
    0.15912150 Tatar_Lipka:Tatar_Lipka5
    0.15915506 Uzbek:495_R01C01
    0.15996693 Iranian:14AM149
    0.16000929 Uzbek:507_R01C01
    0.16025908 Iranian:11AM149
    0.16037742 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB180_turkmen
    0.16045908 Uzbek:495_R01C02
    0.16063109 Iranian:12AM149
    0.16071534 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB102_turkmen
    0.16116180 Uzbek:507_R01C02
    0.16202285 Iranian:4AM149
    0.16240952 Turkmen:TUR032
    0.16247196 Tatar_Lipka:Tatar_Lipka2
    0.16284551 Turkmen:TUR029
    0.16296354 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB101_turkmen
    0.16307054 Hazara_Afghanistan:Hazara6_27Af
    0.16307432 Turkmen:TUR026
    0.16324439 Turkmen:TUR025
    0.16351554 Turkmen:TUR046
    0.16379133 Turkmen:TUR042
    0.16410685 Tajik:TJ-0686
    0.16433646 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB111_turkmen
    0.16457603 Turkmen:TUR027
    0.16475892 Tajik:TJ-0807
    0.16478051 Turkmen:TUR031
    0.16492137 Bashkir:bashkir9
    0.16492899 Tajik:TJ-0080
    0.16540718 Turkmen:TUR051
    0.16582524 Turkmen:TUR043
    0.16585787 Turkmen:TUR041
    0.16598118 Iranian:8AM149
    0.16618744 Bashkir:BAS-120
    0.16671020 Tatar_Siberian:STA-126
    0.16673295 Turkmen:TUR016
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    Last edited by JFWinstone; 01-05-2021 at 01:21 AM.
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    Papertrail @ 2xggrandparents: 37.5% London, 25% Dorset, 25% Mauritius, 6.25% Netherlands, 6.25% Hampshire

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