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    Quote Originally Posted by Trelvern View Post
    top 75

    French Brittany 26.6%
    Welsh 14.6
    French Nord 12
    English Cornwall10.6
    English 8
    Scottish,Irish,French Occitanie 4 each


    Others: French Paris, Orcadian, 2.6 each French Pas de Calais, Dutch, Belgian, French Alsace 1.3 each.
    In your case, It appears to be a good indicator of your actual ancestry.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    And adding the percentages.

    Top 75


    Orcadian 6 10 60.0%
    Welsh 9 20 45.0%
    Norwegian 3 7 42.9%
    English
    Cornwall 5 13 38.5%
    Danish 15 43 34.8%
    Shetlandic 1 3 33.3%
    English 5 19 26.3%
    Icelandic 3 12 25.0%
    Swedish 5 21 23.8%
    Scottish 6 28 21.4%
    Irish 9 85 10.6%
    French
    Brittany 4 40 10.0%
    Afrikaner 1 22 4.5%
    German 2 79 2.5%
    Dutch 1 64 1.6%

    Top 100


    Orcadian 7 10 70.0%
    English
    Cornwall 8 13 61.5%
    Welsh 10 20 50.0%
    English 9 19 47.4%
    Swedish 9 21 42.9%
    Norwegian 3 7 42.9%
    Danish 16 43 37.2%
    Icelandic 4 12 33.3%
    Shetlandic 1 3 33.3%
    Scottish 8 28 28.6%
    Irish 12 85 14.1%
    French
    Brittany 5 40 12.5%
    Dutch 4 64 6.3%
    Afrikaner 1 22 4.5%
    German 3 79 3.8%
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Iím not sure I can, but the following might help. As I mentioned I often get a high percentage of Dutch on the single runs, but only 2 of the Dutch are in my top 100. The average distance of these 2 Dutch samples is quite low however.

    In my case I think I plot near the middle of all the Dutch samples but the Dutch cover a very large area on the plot, so most Dutch samples are at a greater distance, yet Iím close to the Dutch average.

    For me this experiment did something that single runs rarely do. It showed me Iím actually pretty close to most of the English and Welsh samples even though they rarely show up on runs if the Dutch and Irish are included.

    Graphically speaking, Iím near many of the Welsh and English samples but their average distance is greater than my average distance to the Dutch.
    In my case, the combination of Dutch and Irish is a better mathematical fit than English/Scottish/Welsh combination. My guess as to why this often occurs is a Dutch/Irish combination average is closer to my location in/near the North Sea than using other combinations.
    I am very dutch, but I only get 2/64 on the dutch samples in the top 100... wondering what the "dutchness" of these samples are , or the dutch are inherently just much more diverse than other groups, which makes sense as a trading country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monedula View Post
    I am very dutch, but I only get 2/64 on the dutch samples in the top 100... wondering what the "dutchness" of these samples are , or the dutch are inherently just much more diverse than other groups, which makes sense as a trading country.
    Most of the Dutch samples are from Rotterdam. So who knows where they're ultimately really from. (Not doubting they're Dutch, but they could come from anywhere in the country.)

    Kae = Father // Ella = Mother // Pao = Maternal Grandmother:
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    Kae: 66.8 Dutch // 25.8 N+W French // 7.4 E German (@0.01632655)
    Ella: 92.9 Belgian // 4.0 W German // 3.1 W Sicilian (@0.01514940)
    Pao: 58.2 Belgian // 41.8 W German (@0.01636705)

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    Individual and average samples

    Most NW European samples.

    Here is my top 100 individual samples:

    Distance to: Nino_scaled
     
    0.02484042 Belgian:Belgium13
    0.02689266 Welsh:WalesBK58
    0.02979624 Norwegian:NOR106
    0.03048966 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_16
    0.03110611 German:German4
    0.03177107 English_Cornwall:HG00255
    0.03178999 Afrikaner:AFR094
    0.03189362 Afrikaner:AFR053
    0.03196501 Afrikaner:AFR019
    0.03213177 German:German40
    0.03229808 Afrikaner:AFR024
    0.03300909 German:German19
    0.03362480 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_46
    0.03378066 Swedish:Sweden17
    0.03405459 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_12
    0.03418807 Afrikaner:AFR001
    0.03426197 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_4
    0.03443674 Welsh:WalesL40
    0.03459048 Welsh:WalesCHF63
    0.03475805 Afrikaner:AFR057
    0.03476387 Scottish:Scottish3
    0.03478162 Swedish:Sweden10

    0.03497595 Afrikaner:AFR018
    0.03515782 Irish:Irish38
    0.03531103 German:German21
    0.03555211 Orcadian:HGDP00802
    0.03561128 Welsh:WalesCHF12
    0.03572847 Welsh:WalesCHF56
    0.03594616 Dutch:Netherlands29
    0.03594907 Irish:Irish29
    0.03604791 Irish:Irish46
    0.03604944 French_Nord:N_19
    0.03633278 Scottish:Scottish4
    0.03638825 French_Alsace:A_28
    0.03638877 English:HG01791
    0.03646443 French_Alsace:A_68_2
    0.03648418 Danish:434
    0.03682457 Dutch:Netherlands8
    0.03687474 Afrikaner:AFR089
    0.03707924 English_Cornwall:HG00236
    0.03712728 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_1
    0.03714215 French_Brittany:French24090
    0.03714540 English:HG01790
    0.03729464 Danish:455
    0.03730264 French_Nord:N_64
    0.03747581 Welsh:WAL004
    0.03751083 Belgian:Belgium2
    0.03754672 Danishenmark3
    0.03756636 Irish:532
    0.03764627 Afrikaner:AFR021
    0.03778193 Scottish:Scottish13
    0.03781451 English_Cornwall:HG00264
    0.03783050 French_Provence:provance4409
    0.03787323 Afrikaner:AFR002
    0.03789218 Belgian:Belgium26
    0.03791184 Scottish:Scottish24
    0.03801824 Swedish:Sweden13
    0.03807699 Danish:505
    0.03826875 Irish:512
    0.03831607 Orcadian:HGDP00804
    0.03849847 German:German61
    0.03851362 English_Cornwall:HG00249
    0.03853006 French_Paris:19
    0.03854211 French_Brittany:French23830
    0.03862822 Swedish:Sweden18
    0.03863925 French_Alsace:A_43
    0.03871536 English:England9
    0.03882890 German:German31
    0.03885139 Danish:493
    0.03891154 French_Nord:N_2
    0.03900128 Austrian:Austria17
    0.03900181 Danish:430
    0.03900973 French_Nord:N_36
    0.03920315 Irish:Irish26
    0.03921996 Danish:480
    0.03927789 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_48
    0.03928002 English_Cornwall:HG00243
    0.03939808 Scottish:Scottish17
    0.03942280 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_95
    0.03945175 English_Cornwall:HG00160
    0.03946629 Belgian:Belgium21
    0.03948931 Danish:431
    0.03952667 Orcadian:HGDP00805
    0.03952963 French_Paris:1_2
    0.03953421 Danish:436
    0.03962512 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_44
    0.03962530 Irish:555
    0.03965198 Dutch:Netherlands57
    0.03966259 French_Alsace:A_8
    0.03971534 Austrian:Austria16
    0.03980616 Irish:559
    0.03993219 Afrikaner:AFR076
    0.03995278 English:England10
    0.03997815 Afrikaner:AFR046
    0.04015065 Swedish:Sweden7
    0.04019524 Danish:508
    0.04021157 Swedish:Sweden2
    0.04035752 Norwegian:NOR150
    0.04036632 German:German58
    0.04040273 Welsh:WAL003


    And Average :

    Distance to: Nino_scaled
     

    0.03392686 Afrikaner
    0.03546667 Dutch
    0.03672958 German
    0.03711056 French_Brittany
    0.03760816 Welsh
    0.03796138 Norwegian
    0.03801978 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03904314 Belgian
    0.03951269 English
    0.04001975 Danish
    0.04010249 Austrian
    0.04041384 Scottish
    0.04093370 French_Nord
    0.04134256 Orcadian
    0.04136284 Irish
    0.04159342 English_Cornwall
    0.04178019 Swedish
    0.04194514 Shetlandic
    0.04313361 French_Alsace
    0.04353401 French_Paris
    0.04412031 Icelandic
    0.04566962 Swiss_German
    0.04663781 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.04808226 Hungarian
    0.04935593 Czech
    0.05160898 German_East
    0.05215277 French_Occitanie
    0.05287523 Swiss_French
    0.05362656 Slovakian
    0.05366787 French_Auvergne
    0.05416172 Croatian
    0.05482002 Slovenian
    0.05890019 French_Provence
    0.05912040 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.05949918 Bosnian
    0.06012314 Montenegrin
    0.06134328 Moldovan
    0.06257180 Moldovan_o
    0.06376427 Spanish_Penedes
    0.06380484 Spanish_Girona
    0.06483225 Spanish_Soria
    0.06487622 Serbian
    0.06507452 Italian_Northeast
    0.06540700 Romanian
    0.06580067 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.06617108 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.06653675 Spanish_Lleida
    0.06678438 Polish
    0.06707605 Spanish_Barcelones
    0.06730493 Spanish_Cataluna
    0.06735139 Ukrainian_B
    0.06762273 Spanish_Mallorca
    0.06832302 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.06871045 French_South
    0.06932721 Spanish_Castello
    0.07015086 Spanish_Baleares
    0.07057897 Sorb_Niederlausitz
    0.07060086 Spanish_Pirineu
    0.07092515 Ukrainian
    0.07197495 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.07199367 Spanish_Valencia
    0.07210818 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.07227672 Cossack_Kuban
    0.07267407 Cossack_Ukrainian
    0.07297876 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
    0.07325421 Spanish_Galicia
    0.07349300 Spanish_Eivissa
    0.07349311 Spanish_Alacant
    0.07363049 Spanish_Aragon
    0.07413578 Macedonian:East1
    0.07432248 Bulgarian
    0.07454473 Italian_Veneto
    0.07517748 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    0.07567547 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    0.07578968 Russian_Orel
    0.07636060 Spanish_Murcia
    0.07638414 Spanish_Navarra
    0.07651698 Portuguese
    0.07652672 Russian_Kursk
    0.07666632 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    0.07675548 Spanish_Menorca
    0.07708227 Russian_Voronez
    0.07808907 Basque_French
    0.07825672 Finnish
    0.07835791 Spanish_Extremadura
    0.07871337 Macedonianelagonia1
    0.07899600 Basque_Spanish
    0.07919257 Spanish_Andalucia
    0.07920938 Macedonian:East2
    0.07981142 Swiss_Italian
    0.07989679 Russian_Tver
    0.08133331 Ingrian
    0.08156817 Spanish_Asturias
    0.08204283 Italian_Bergamo
    0.08215123 Gagauz
    0.08224985 Spanish_La_Rioja
    0.08312524 Russian_Smolensk
    0.08398230 Russian_Kostroma
    0.08430263 Turkish_Deliorman
    0.08437477 Belarusian
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    Distance: 3.1640% / 0.03163963 | R3P
    64.4 __Germanic
    26.4 __IllyricRoman
    9.2 __Finnic

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    My Top 75
    Shetlandic 2 (66.7%)
    Scottish 12 (42.9%)
    Norwegian 3 (42.9%)
    Orcadian 4 (40%)
    Icelandic 4 (33.3%)
    England 6 (31.6%)
    English Cornwall 4 (30.8%)
    Welsh 6 (30%)
    Irish 21 (24.7%)
    Danish 8 (18.2%)
    French Brittany 4 (10%)
    Swedish 1 (4.8%)

    My Top 100
    Shetlandic 2 (66.7%)
    Norwegian 4 (57.1%)
    English Cornwall 7 (53.8%)
    Icelandic 6 (50%)
    Orcadian 5 (50%)
    Scottish 14 (50%)
    English 7 (36.8%)
    Welsh 7 (35%)
    Irish 27 (31.8%)
    Danish 11 (25%)
    French Brittany 6 (15%)
    Swedish (9.5%)
    Dutch (1.6%)
    German 1 (1.1%)
    Ancestry: Ireland (Paper trail ≅ 81.25% Roscommon, 12.5% Galway, 6.25% Mayo)
    Y-DNA (P) ancestor (Y): Kelly b. c1830 in Co. Roscommon (UŪ Maine)
    mtDNA (P) ancestor: Fleming b. c1831 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA (M) ancestor: McDermott b. c1814 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA Great grandfather: Connella b. c1798 in Co. Roscommon (T2a1a8)
    Y-DNA 2x great grandfather: Higgins b. c1816 in Co. Roscommon (R-DF109)
    Y-DNA 3x great grandfather: Fleming b. c1829 in Co. Roscommon (R-Z23534)

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    Ancestry: Romanians from Moldova and Transylvania, 25% Csango hungarian and 1/64 Ashkenazi

    TOP 100
    Moldovan:26
    Serbian:18
    Romanians:9
    Gagauz:6
    Turkish:6
    Italian:6 (Friul)
    Bulgarian:5
    Croatian:4
    Albanian:3
    Greek:3
    Montenegrin:3
    Macedonian:3
    Bosnian:3
    Slovenian:2
    Hungarian:1
    Austrian:1
    French:1 (Alsace)

    Balkans:83%
    Central Europe:11%
    Turkey: 6%
    Target: Andre_scaled
    Distance: 4.7247% / 0.04724728
    50.8 Early_Anatolian_Farmer
    41.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
    5.4 Western_HG
    2.2 North/East_Asia

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    I’m not sure I can, but the following might help. As I mentioned I often get a high percentage of Dutch on the single runs, but only 2 of the Dutch are in my top 100. The average distance of these 2 Dutch samples is quite low however.

    In my case I think I plot near the middle of all the Dutch samples but the Dutch cover a very large area on the plot, so most Dutch samples are at a greater distance, yet I’m close to the Dutch average.

    For me this experiment did something that single runs rarely do. It showed me I’m actually pretty close to most of the English and Welsh samples even though they rarely show up on runs if the Dutch and Irish are included.

    Graphically speaking, I’m near many of the Welsh and English samples but their average distance is greater than my average distance to the Dutch.
    In my case, the combination of Dutch and Irish is a better mathematical fit than English/Scottish/Welsh combination. My guess as to why this often occurs is a Dutch/Irish combination average is closer to my location in/near the North Sea than using other combinations.
    I am Irish + E and SE English (mostly) and I get a combination of Irish and Dutch in the individual samples or Irish + Norwegian in the averages.

    The Dutch samples I get most of are Netherlands51 and Netherlands39. The closest sample to me is Netherlands51.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Maybe one of the takeaways is, you can’t just take these autosomal results at face value. Most of us on this forum are well aware of this fact.

    But imagine if you were new to genetic genealogy, or were adopted with no paper trail.

    Without being aware of the limitations of these runs/this type of analysis, one may come to some false conclusions. In my case I might wrongly assume I was mostly Dutch & Irish.

    Also looking at your closest distances might provide a more accurate picture of your actual ancestry (it appears to do so in my case). Just something to be aware of.
    Ain't that the truth... You might think Dad was French, or Afrikaner ... or Italian (he isn't).

    Here's Dad (top 100) sorted by first appearance:

    Afrikaner: 5
    French_Nord: 21
    French_Alsace: 21
    French_Occitanie: 8
    French_Paris: 5
    Swiss_German: 2
    Belgian: 10
    French_Pas-de-Calais: 3
    French_Brittany: 7
    Italian_Aosta_Valley: 1
    German: 5
    French_Provence: 5
    French_Auvergne: 3
    French_Seine-Maritime: 1
    English: 2
    Austrian: 1
    Last edited by Dewsloth; 01-05-2021 at 07:57 PM. Reason: missed Austrian and double entered another
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Interesting. No such issues here. That said, before the most recent update of Cretan samples, this list would have far more Italian and Jewish individuals because there were far less Greek samples available to be matched with. I read some of your NW European threads, and this is pretty common for most of you, right? There is a great deal of overlap among many of those ethnicities.

    Greek - 50
    Italian/Sicilian - 43
    Ashkenazi - 7

     


    Distance to: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):GS(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos)
    0.02021842 Greek_Crete:749
    0.02031807 Greek_Crete:778
    0.02409496 Greek_Crete:774
    0.02420950 Italian_Abruzzo:ALP205
    0.02445035 Greek_Crete:Crete3
    0.02511039 Greek_Laconia:639
    0.02530066 Italian_Campania:NaN289RM
    0.02560375 Italian_Calabria:ALP596
    0.02570549 Greek_Crete:813
    0.02574650 Greek_Smyrna:GreeceF51k
    0.02575683 Italian_Campania:NaN77FAM
    0.02626078 Italian_Apuliau7
    0.02649678 Italian_BasilicataG20
    0.02677539 Italian_Apulia:cera8
    0.02780547 Italian_BasilicataG24
    0.02789627 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
    0.02811411 Italian_Calabria:BEL57
    0.02812456 Ashkenazi_Belarussia:Ashk_BY_BY_5
    0.02848904 Ashkenazi_Poland:Ashk_PL_PL_25
    0.02858306 Italian_Campania:NaN119AMR
    0.02877493 Greek_Crete:809
    0.02883525 Greek_Crete:808
    0.02900636 Greek_Crete:756
    0.02914423 Italian_Apuliau3
    0.02926574 Greek_Smyrna:GreeceSmyrna58
    0.02929551 Greek_Crete:803
    0.02941084 Italian_BasilicataG25
    0.02942661 Greek_Crete:B_Crete-2
    0.02948877 Italian_BasilicataG18
    0.02950457 Greek_Crete:788
    0.02953265 Greek_Smyrna:GreeceSmyrna9
    0.02956282 Greek_Smyrna:GreecePhokaia60
    0.02961675 Italian_BasilicataG21
    0.02962140 Greek_Crete:738
    0.02974961 Italian_Apulia:GS32
    0.02989304 Italian_BasilicataG17
    0.02995750 Greek_Smyrna:GreeceF69k
    0.03000548 Italian_Campania:NaN43TC
    0.03005760 Italian_Apulia:cera9
    0.03010148 Greek_Crete:748
    0.03022156 Greek_Smyrna:GreeceSmyrna30
    0.03023569 Greek_Crete:733
    0.03042861 Greek_Crete:763
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