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    The genetic makeup of Finns

    The modern day Finnic people are a mixture of Baltic and Germanic people with minor Siberian admixture(6% in South and West Finland, and up to 10% in East Finland).

    The Saami people lived in larger areas 1500 years ago than today.

    My best guess is that a Baltic like people migrated to Finland and mixed with the Saami-like people and became Finns.

    The Germanic admixture has been in Finland for a long time but maybe increased during late Iron age and medieval times?

    Also there is much Finnic Admixture in parts of Sweden. The early Scandinavian samples often lack the Finnic and Baltic admixture that modern day Swedes have.

    If you do have good academic sources please post them here.

    Thanks in advance.
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    What happend to the Mediveal G25 samples?

    I saw them some months ago.


    This picture however show the Siberian component in some European populations:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    My best guess is that a Baltic like people migrated to Finland and mixed with the Saami-like people and became Finns.
    Based on Generalissimo's qpAdm experiments Non-Baltic_BA like features of OLS_10, the IA Estonian Tarand Grave sample, look like Baikal_BA biased Mereke_MBA sample from Kazakhstan. So, excluding local Baltic features not really too much modern Saami like, see here:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xUM...W1ZRQZhWa/view
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    Hello was wondering if you guys know the extent to which

    1. Estonians harbor a similarity to Finns
    2. If Estonians have any Siberian [E-Asian?] admixture akin to some Finns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huck Finn View Post
    Based on Generalissimo's qpAdm experiments Non-Baltic_BA like features of OLS_10, the IA Estonian Tarand Grave sample, look like Baikal_BA biased Mereke_MBA sample from Kazakhstan. So, excluding local Baltic features not really too much modern Saami like, see here:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xUM...W1ZRQZhWa/view
    I am quite a amature in this QpAdm. Can you please explain.

    Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaYamamoto View Post
    Hello was wondering if you guys know the extent to which

    1. Estonians harbor a similarity to Finns
    2. If Estonians have any Siberian [E-Asian?] admixture akin to some Finns?

    From Eurogenes K13 Spreadsheet:

    Southwest_Finnish 4.96
    Finnish 6.48
    Estonia 3.51
    East_Finnish 8.59
    North_Swedish 3.17
    Swedish 0.83
    Kargopol_Russian 6.67
    Nino90 3,99(12.5% Saami papertrail)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    My best guess is that a Baltic like people migrated to Finland and mixed with the Saami-like people and became Finns.
    If I remember correctly, Malmström et. al claimed that there were two waves of migration associated with Battle Axe-culture into Fennoscandia, one of which came from the east through Finland and into Sweden/Norway, which would have also settled Southwest Finland to a large degree, and the other from the south through Denmark.

    EDIT: This is of course long before the arrival of Finno-Ugric speakers and so on, and potential BA/IA-movements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    I am quite a amature in this QpAdm. Can you please explain.

    Thanks in advance.
    Basically it says this, if I'm right:

    0LS10

    Baltic_EST_BA 0.865: difficult to say to what extent this just represent local Baltic like features, OLS_10 being already mixed?

    KAZ_Mereke_MBA 0.083 and RUS_Baikal_BA 0.051: clearly Non-Baltic features, possibly/probably linked to arrival of Uralic language? Signature of the founding Uralic Population?

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    Distance: 0.26100745427289357%

    VK2020_UKR_Shestovitsa_VA: 29.6%
    FIN_Levanluhta_IA: 19.9%
    VK2020_POL_Sandomierz_VA: 13.3%
    Baltic_EST_MA: 13.0%
    VK2020_SWE_Oland_IA: 10.1%
    VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA: 8.7%
    RUS_Ingria_IA: 2.2%
    Baltic_LTU_BA: 1.2%
    UKR_Meso: 0.8%
    RUS_Karelia_HG: 0.7%
    Other: 0.4%
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