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    V.3 Averages:

    Target: Aroon_scaled
    Distance: 1.6108% / 0.01610804
    43.2 Celtic_Britain
    41.4 Medieval_Germanic
    11.2 Proto_Slavic
    4.2 Proto_Roman

    Distance to: Aroon_scaled
    0.02110286 Celtic_Britain
    0.02117439 Medieval_Germanic
    0.02661812 Viking_Age_Dane
    0.02867042 Viking_Age_Norse
    0.05466682 Proto_Slavic
    0.07823249 Iberia_Iron_Age
    0.09877082 Proto_Roman
    0.13723667 Thracian:I5769
    0.16586882 Hellenic_Roman
    0.17164698 Greco_Anatolian
    0.21252931 Levantine
    0.29647389 Medieval_Turkic

    Individuals:

    Target: Aroon_scaled
    Distance: 1.0949% / 0.01094870
    24.4 Celtic_Britain
    22.2 Medieval_Germanic
    19.6 Viking_Age_Dane
    15.0 Viking_Age_Norse
    8.6 Proto_Roman
    8.4 Proto_Slavic
    1.6 Hellenic_Roman
    0.2 Iberia_Iron_Age

    Target: Aroon_scaled
    Distance: 1.2365% / 0.01236499 | R3P
    60.2 Celtic_Britain
    24.4 Medieval_Germanic
    15.4 Proto_Slavic

    Distance to: Aroon_scaled
    0.02904845 Celtic_Britain:I0160
    0.02949542 Celtic_Britain:3DT16
    0.02949716 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_stg021
    0.03012403 Celtic_Britain:6DT21
    0.03065829 Celtic_Britain:I0156
    0.03136244 Celtic_Britain:6DT23
    0.03213355 Viking_Age_Dane:VK301
    0.03213429 Viking_Age_Dane:VK279
    0.03264622 Celtic_Britain:6DT3
    0.03271880 Viking_Age_Dane:VK373
    0.03310734 Viking_Age_Dane:VK141
    0.03337087 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_10
    0.03489752 Viking_Age_Dane:VK134
    0.03528512 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_3
    0.03534625 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_1
    0.03587300 Celtic_Britain:6DT18
    0.03657503 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_grt036
    0.03681815 Celtic_Britain:M1489
    0.03700873 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_84001
    0.03799238 Medieval_Germanic:STR_316
    0.03800083 Viking_Age_Dane:VK300
    0.03804465 Viking_Age_Dane:VK370

    And with samples from Orkney:

    Target: Aroon_scaled
    Distance: 1.0753% / 0.01075263
    25.4 Celtic_Britain
    20.2 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA
    16.4 Medieval_Germanic
    13.6 Proto_Slavic
    10.4 Viking_Age_Norse
    7.8 Viking_Age_Dane
    6.2 Proto_Roman

    Target: Aroon_scaled
    Distance: 1.0753% / 0.01075305
    15.8 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_3
    10.2 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK207
    10.0 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK203
    9.2 Celtic_Britain:6DT23
    8.6 Proto_Slavic:2
    8.0 Viking_Age_Dane:VK134
    7.0 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_urm045
    5.8 Celtic_Britain:M1489
    5.6 Celtic_Britain:I0156
    5.2 Proto_Roman:1
    5.0 Proto_Slavic:1
    3.8 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_gtm127
    2.4 Celtic_Britain:6DT3
    2.0 Celtic_Britain:M1489
    1.0 Proto_Roman:2
    0.4 Medieval_Germanic:STR_316

    Target: Aroon_scaled
    Distance: 1.2365% / 0.01236499 | R3P
    60.2 Celtic_Britain
    24.4 Medieval_Germanic
    15.4 Proto_Slavic

    Distance to: Aroon_scaled
    0.02904845 Celtic_Britain:I0160
    0.02949542 Celtic_Britain:3DT16
    0.02949716 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_stg021
    0.03012403 Celtic_Britain:6DT21
    0.03053807 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK203
    0.03065829 Celtic_Britain:I0156
    0.03136244 Celtic_Britain:6DT23
    0.03213355 Viking_Age_Dane:VK301
    0.03213429 Viking_Age_Dane:VK279
    0.03264622 Celtic_Britain:6DT3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andour View Post
    Version 1:

    Target: Andour_scaled -- Distance: 1.6187% / 0.01618652

    46.4 Proto_Roman
    27.0 Celtic_Britannia
    17.2 Medieval_Germanic
    6.4 Thracian
    1.6 Hellenic_Roman
    1.4 Proto_Slavic

    Version 2:

    Target: Andour_scaled -- Distance: 1.5133% / 0.01513308

    48.8 Proto_Roman
    17.6 Viking_Age_Dane
    13.4 Medieval_Germanic
    10.4 Celtic_Britain
    4.2 Levantine
    3.2 Thracian
    2.4 Viking_Age_Norse

    Version 3:

    Target: Andour_scaled -- Distance: 1.4132% / 0.01413226

    31.0 Proto_Roman
    20.0 Iberia_Iron_Age
    17.4 Medieval_Germanic
    17.2 Viking_Age_Dane
    4.8 Hellenic_Roman
    3.2 Celtic_Britain
    3.0 Thracian
    2.4 Levantine
    1.0 Viking_Age_Norse
    I guess Proto-Roman here will work as a proxy for Gaulish like admix?
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    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    And here, to further my possibly quixotic proposal that 6DT23 may be mixed Celt/Continental (and not all Insular Celt, despite his affinity), is him run against the averages:

    Target: England_Roman:6DT23Scaled
    Distance: 2.9219% / 0.02921933
    61.0 Medieval_Germanic
    28.6 Celtic_Britain
    8.4 Iberia_Iron_Age
    2.0 Greco_Anatolian
    OK bro it will considered too. ^^
    mix: 51.4% Greek Crete + 48.6% Turkish Central
    distance: 1.7523

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    I guess Proto-Roman here will work as a proxy for Gaulish like admix?
    I thought same. Maybe i should add Deu Roman samples as Likely_Mainlander_Celtic or something until published of Gaul ancients.
    mix: 51.4% Greek Crete + 48.6% Turkish Central
    distance: 1.7523

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    V1

    Target: dalluin_scaled
    Distance: 1.6193% / 0.01619344
    43.2 Medieval_Germanic
    28.2 Proto_Roman
    16.0 Celtic_Britannia
    11.4 Thracian
    1.2 Graecorum

    As french, the thracian part surprised me (even if my neighbour Andour have a bit the same)

    V2

    Target: dalluin_scaled
    Distance: 1.3834% / 0.01383399
    31.8 Medieval_Germanic
    24.0 Viking_Age_Dane
    17.6 Proto_Roman
    7.8 Viking_Age_Norse
    7.4 Hellenic_Roman
    5.4 Thracian
    3.4 Levantine
    2.6 Celtic_Britain

    Hellenic, Thracian, Levantine, first time for theses oriental mediterranean shifts

    V3

    Target: dalluin_scaled
    Distance: 1.2759% / 0.01275933
    41.8 Medieval_Germanic
    18.4 Iberia_Iron_Age
    13.0 Hellenic_Roman
    12.8 Viking_Age_Dane
    6.2 Viking_Age_Norse
    4.2 Proto_Roman
    3.6 Thracian

    Iberia is more familiar to me as results !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by therugged View Post
    I thought same. Maybe i should add Deu Roman samples as Likely_Mainlander_Celtic or something until published of Gaul ancients.
    We got some Iron age samples from France.

    But they are bad quality. I would not use them.

    The DEU_Roman is "Iberian" - like right?

    There is a debate about Celtic/Gaul admixture in this forum, Some people are sure they were North European like.

    I myself think that ancient Gauls were like modern French. Maybe there was some extra Germanic input in late Roman times and early Mediveal times in North and East.

    But I am quite sure Gauls were French like.
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    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

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    These samples from the Greek colony in Spain are what I would consider Celtic/Gaul.
    The last one is probably a Celt-Iberian (Fusion population of native Iberians and Celts)

    Distance to: Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8214
     
    0.03024663 French_Occitanie
    0.03292765 French_Auvergne
    0.03293229 French_South
    0.03645493 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03737371 French_Paris
    0.03758588 Basque_Spanish
    0.03762893 Basque_French
    0.03772482 Swiss_French
    0.03807077 Spanish_Soria
    0.03867279 Spanish_Penedes
    0.03894458 French_Nord
    0.03901190 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    0.03902501 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.03937613 Swiss_German
    0.03957197 Spanish_Barcelones
    0.03988819 Spanish_Castello
    0.04025885 Spanish_Lleida
    0.04028924 Belgian
    0.04089376 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.04093282 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.04097345 Spanish_Pirineu
    0.04128725 Spanish_Girona
    0.04171445 French_Alsace
    0.04182297 Spanish_Cataluna
    0.04253155 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona


    Distance to: Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8206
     
    0.03406911 French_Brittany
    0.03505105 Afrikaner
    0.03535686 English
    0.03539862 Welsh
    0.03577452 Dutch
    0.03719681 Norwegian
    0.03725790 Irish
    0.03732860 Scottish
    0.03754347 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03770647 English_Cornwall
    0.03812733 Belgian
    0.03880635 Orcadian
    0.03944926 Danish
    0.04049563 German
    0.04120672 French_Paris
    0.04138276 Shetlandic
    0.04213115 Icelandic
    0.04213166 French_Nord
    0.04549833 Swedish
    0.04626335 French_Alsace
    0.04637824 Swiss_German
    0.04931907 Austrian
    0.05082216 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.05116860 French_Occitanie
    0.05485473 French_Auvergne


    Distance to: Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8209
     
    0.02988755 Spanish_Soria
    0.02997593 French_South
    0.03100026 Spanish_Pirineu
    0.03120299 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.03121761 Spanish_Girona
    0.03233004 French_Auvergne
    0.03253943 Spanish_Barcelones
    0.03261706 Spanish_Castello
    0.03266397 Spanish_Penedes
    0.03280964 Spanish_Lleida
    0.03288505 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.03292196 French_Occitanie
    0.03334156 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    0.03339144 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.03404189 Basque_Spanish
    0.03456230 Basque_French
    0.03469307 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.03509527 Spanish_Navarra
    0.03534975 Swiss_French
    0.03546289 Spanish_Cataluna
    0.03552719 Spanish_Aragon
    0.03579640 Spanish_Valencia
    0.03771011 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
    0.03792528 Spanish_Alacant
    0.03812445 Spanish_Baleares


    If somebody disagree or have more information or better choice of samples, Feel free to write them here.
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    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
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    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

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    Looking at the Iron and Bronze age French samples they are quite diverse, Similar to modern day France.

    But then again - They are considered low quality.

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    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
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    Quote Originally Posted by therugged View Post
    It would be better to see Iron Age Celtic results from France but i have no idea. I guess French ancients has been done but not published yet.
    Btw, i will add Guanches too.
    Thank you! Unfortunately the current IA French samples we have on G25 are of very low coverage. Hoping that one day they will release the ones with better quality aswell. But I think you've covered it well with English, Iberian and Italian IA + even German MA.

    Kae = Father // Ella = Mother // Pao = Maternal Grandmother:
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    Kae: 66.8 Dutch // 25.8 N+W French // 7.4 E German (@0.01632655)
    Ella: 92.9 Belgian // 4.0 W German // 3.1 W Sicilian (@0.01514940)
    Pao: 58.2 Belgian // 41.8 W German (@0.01636705)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    Looking at the Iron and Bronze age French samples they are quite diverse, Similar to modern day France.

    But then again - They are considered low quality.

    Vahaduo_ Global 25 Views (3).png
    I played around a bit with the IA French ones a while ago and the north and central ones seemed to have some sort of super minor North African influence (hence my personal interest in the Guanches being added). But perhaps this isn't actually true, because of the low coverage. Yet the probably Gaulish sample from Imperial Rome has it aswell, but I'm not sure about its coverage?

     
    Target: ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
    Distance: 1.3963% / 0.01396263
    45.2 ITA_IA
    42.7 England_IA
    10.0 DEU_MA
    2.1 Canary_Islands_Guanche

    Distance to: ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
    0.01467455 French_Occitanie
    0.01651898 French_Auvergne
    0.02161204 Swiss_German
    0.02198333 French_Paris
    0.02218830 French_Nord
    0.02317833 French_Alsace
    0.02400921 Swiss_French
    0.02516054 Belgian
    0.02702108 Spanish_Barcelones
    0.02719824 Spanish_Penedes
    0.02725171 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.02818459 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.02830707 Spanish_Girona
    0.02852294 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.02866383 Spanish_Lleida
    0.02911056 French_Provence
    0.02928978 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.02957739 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.02996978 Spanish_Cataluna
    0.03119183 Spanish_Mallorca
    0.03119508 Spanish_Pirineu
    0.03122936 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.03226768 Spanish_Castello
    0.03239452 French_South
    0.03386153 Spanish_Valencia
    Last edited by Kellebel; 01-14-2021 at 04:01 AM.

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    Kae: 66.8 Dutch // 25.8 N+W French // 7.4 E German (@0.01632655)
    Ella: 92.9 Belgian // 4.0 W German // 3.1 W Sicilian (@0.01514940)
    Pao: 58.2 Belgian // 41.8 W German (@0.01636705)

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