New, Roman Earth towards Medieval calculator(G25-Scaled)

**Chatzianastasoglou** · 01-13-2021, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Nino90

Around 20% Slavic.

Are you and your family from North Greece?

Thats right. But my father is 1/2 Western Anatolian. Rest is Epirus and Western Macedonia

**Caledonian** · 01-13-2021, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Caledonian

V3

Target: Caledonian_scaled
Distance: 1.3650% / 0.01364964
50.6 Celtic_Britain
20.2 Medieval_Germanic
18.4 Viking_Age_Dane
7.8 Viking_Age_Norse
3.0 Proto_Roman

0.02368805 Celtic_Britain:6DT3
0.02391645 Medieval_Germanic
0.02485784 Celtic_Britain:I0160
0.02485784 Celtic_Britain:I0160
0.02662174 Celtic_Britain:6DT23
0.02703306 Celtic_Britain
0.03136762 Viking_Age_Dane
0.03170535 Viking_Age_Dane:VK372
0.03220624 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_stg021
0.03283063 Celtic_Britain:6DT18
0.03311737 Celtic_Britain:3DT16
0.03363707 Viking_Age_Dane:VK279
0.03406435 Celtic_Britain:I0156
0.03406435 Celtic_Britain:I0156
0.03407678 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_10
0.03465392 Viking_Age_Dane:VK141
0.03479822 Viking_Age_Norse
0.03522900 Medieval_Germanic:STR_316
0.03677609 Celtic_Britain:6DT21
0.03711015 Medieval_Germanic:NW_255
0.03791011 Viking_Age_Dane:VK316
0.03803857 Viking_Age_Dane:VK373
0.03893425 Viking_Age_Dane:VK301
0.04004688 Viking_Age_Dane:VK134
0.04052645 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_1

Have the Viking age Celts from Orkney been added? I may be wrong but I suspect the result of the Scots and Irish will be considerably less Germanic looking if those samples were added, at least that is what I have seen with my results in other tests.

Adding the Orkney Celtic samples seems to have changed my results quite a bit, just as I suspected the Medieval German has reduced quite significantly, It's interesting how my Viking_age_Norse has risen so highly at the expense of Viking_age_Dane, again I would say that Norse is probably more accurate than Danish, considering my ethnicity and the history of Norwegian Viking settlement in Scotland and Ireland.

Target: Caledonian_scaled
Distance: 1.1681% / 0.01168135
39.6 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA
27.4 Celtic_Britain
23.0 Viking_Age_Norse
6.2 Medieval_Germanic
3.8 Viking_Age_Dane

0.02368805 Celtic_Britain:6DT3
0.02388696 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK207
0.02391645 Medieval_Germanic
0.02455845 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK201
0.02485784 Celtic_Britain:I0160
0.02485784 Celtic_Britain:I0160
0.02510009 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK203
0.02662174 Celtic_Britain:6DT23
0.02703306 Celtic_Britain
0.03136762 Viking_Age_Dane
0.03170535 Viking_Age_Dane:VK372
0.03220624 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_stg021
0.03283063 Celtic_Britain:6DT18
0.03311737 Celtic_Britain:3DT16
0.03363707 Viking_Age_Dane:VK279
0.03406435 Celtic_Britain:I0156
0.03406435 Celtic_Britain:I0156
0.03407678 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_10
0.03465392 Viking_Age_Dane:VK141
0.03479822 Viking_Age_Norse
0.03522900 Medieval_Germanic:STR_316
0.03677609 Celtic_Britain:6DT21
0.03711015 Medieval_Germanic:NW_255
0.03785892 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK202
0.03791011 Viking_Age_Dane:VK316

**passenger** · 01-13-2021, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Kellebel

I think the southwestern European members aswell as those with Jewish ancestry could benefit from Guanches being added.

Yes, it looks like it improves fits significantly for Western Jews and makes the results a bit more realistic IMO.

**Nqp15hhu** · 01-13-2021, 06:17 PM

Distance: 2.0331% / 0.02033120
Target: OwenDad_scaled
45.6 Celtic_Britain
28.0 Viking_Age_Dane
19.9 Viking_Age_Norse
2.7 Levantine
2.0 Iberia_Iron_Age
1.8 Hellenic_Roman

Distance to: OwenDad_scaled
0.03006265 Celtic_Britain:I0156
0.03006265 Celtic_Britain:I0156
0.03234177 Celtic_Britain:I0789
0.03234177 Celtic_Britain:I0789
0.03272412 Celtic_Britain:S14491
0.03393096 Medieval_Germanic:STR_355
0.03418712 Viking_Age_Dane:VK446
0.03500282 Viking_Age_Dane:VK370
0.03641403 Viking_Age_Dane:VK300
0.03646034 Celtic_Britain:M1489
0.03646034 Celtic_Britain:M1489
0.03885379 Viking_Age_Dane:VK134
0.03904047 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK202
0.03933773 Viking_Age_Dane:VK312
0.03962881 Viking_Age_Dane:VK373
0.03998231 Celtic_Britain:6DT18
0.04000839 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_urm161
0.04144588 Viking_Age_Dane:VK301
0.04208455 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_84001
0.04348996 Viking_Age_Dane:VK279
0.04389421 Viking_Age_Dane:VK316
0.04467821 Celtic_Britain:6DT21
0.04683034 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_1
0.04695309 Celtic_Britain:I0160
0.04695309 Celtic_Britain:I0160

Distance: 1.3667% / 0.01366678
Target: OwenMom_scaled
36.4 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA
28.8 Celtic_Britain
17.8 Medieval_Germanic
8.9 Viking_Age_Norse
5.8 Viking_Age_Dane
2.3 Iberia_Iron_Age

Distance to: OwenMom_scaled
0.02541820 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK203
0.02674185 Celtic_Britain:I0156
0.02674185 Celtic_Britain:I0156
0.02810722 Celtic_Britain:6DT18
0.02848936 Celtic_Britain:I0160
0.02848936 Celtic_Britain:I0160
0.02934729 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK207
0.03041848 Celtic_Britain:3DT16
0.03108153 Celtic_Britain:6DT23
0.03113198 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK201
0.03125531 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK202
0.03295764 Viking_Age_Dane:VK373
0.03454096 Celtic_Britain:6DT21
0.03588166 Celtic_Britain:S14491
0.03628063 Celtic_Britain:6DT3
0.03668998 Viking_Age_Dane:VK301
0.03730689 Viking_Age_Dane:VK316
0.03770029 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_stg021
0.03814331 Medieval_Germanic:STR_316
0.03831535 Viking_Age_Dane:VK312
0.03837393 Medieval_Germanic:STR_355
0.03838987 Celtic_Britain:M1489
0.03838987 Celtic_Britain:M1489
0.03915551 Viking_Age_Dane:VK300
0.03931636 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_1

Distance: 1.8992% / 0.01899219
Target: Owen_scaled
47.0 Celtic_Britain
22.0 Viking_Age_Dane
10.4 Medieval_Germanic
10.1 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA
8.4 Viking_Age_Norse
2.1 Levantine

Distance to: Owen_scaled
0.02686659 Celtic_Britain:I0156
0.02686659 Celtic_Britain:I0156
0.03185848 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK202
0.03255702 Celtic_Britain:S14491
0.03503418 Medieval_Germanic:STR_355
0.03546421 Celtic_Britain:6DT18
0.03556790 Celtic_Britain:I0160
0.03556790 Celtic_Britain:I0160
0.03581212 Viking_Age_Dane:VK279
0.03606498 Viking_Age_Dane:VK301
0.03620601 Viking_Age_Dane:VK446
0.03647687 Viking_Age_Dane:VK373
0.03648364 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK207
0.03655519 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK203
0.03673612 Celtic_Britain:M1489
0.03673612 Celtic_Britain:M1489
0.03677208 Viking_Age_Dane:VK300
0.03684430 Viking_Age_Dane:VK134
0.03721862 Celtic_Britain:6DT21
0.03746820 Viking_Age_Dane:VK312
0.03762223 Viking_Age_Dane:VK316
0.03762313 Celtic_Britain:3DT16
0.03763427 Celtic_Britain:6DT23
0.03797424 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK201
0.03834992 Celtic_Britain:I0789

A bit of a change but not much.

**Garimund** · 01-13-2021, 06:17 PM

With Orkney:

Target: gar_ancestry_scaled
Distance: 1.2238% / 0.01223798
30.6 Iberia_Iron_Age
30.4 Viking_Age_Norse
13.6 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA
10.4 Celtic_Britain
7.4 Medieval_Germanic
4.0 Viking_Age_Dane
3.6 Levantine

Target: gar_ancestry_scaled
Distance: 1.3637% / 0.01363749 | ADC: 0.25x
33.2 Celtic_Britain
30.2 Iberia_Iron_Age
14.0 Viking_Age_Dane
12.8 Viking_Age_Norse
9.8 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA

Previous results without Orkney:

Target: gar_ancestry_scaled
Distance: 1.2483% / 0.01248256
29.6 Iberia_Iron_Age
26.4 Viking_Age_Norse
22.4 Celtic_Britain
9.4 Viking_Age_Dane
8.2 Medieval_Germanic
4.0 Levantine

Target: gar_ancestry_scaled
Distance: 1.3814% / 0.01381381 | ADC: 0.25x
45.4 Celtic_Britain
29.6 Iberia_Iron_Age
12.6 Viking_Age_Norse
12.4 Viking_Age_Dane

It seems to just split my Celtic Britain %.

**Greekscholar** · 01-13-2021, 06:24 PM

V.3 gives me much more of a "calculator effect" because of the Levant samples. Northern samples increase to balance out that big Levant chunk.

Target: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):GS(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos)
Distance: 1.4513% / 0.01451256
44.0 Hellenic_Roman
19.8 Levantine
19.4 Proto_Slavic
16.6 Thracian
0.2 Viking_Age_Norse

Target: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):GS_Dad(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos)
Distance: 1.6540% / 0.01653953
30.6 Thracian
27.6 Levantine
22.8 Hellenic_Roman
19.0 Proto_Slavic

Target: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):YiaYia(Fourni/Ikaria)
Distance: 1.3213% / 0.01321330
33.2 Hellenic_Roman
26.6 Levantine
20.0 Thracian
13.4 Proto_Slavic
6.8 Iberia_Iron_Age

**Andour** · 01-13-2021, 06:24 PM

Version 1:

Target: Andour_scaled -- Distance: 1.6187% / 0.01618652

46.4 Proto_Roman
27.0 Celtic_Britannia
17.2 Medieval_Germanic
6.4 Thracian
1.6 Hellenic_Roman
1.4 Proto_Slavic

Version 2:

Target: Andour_scaled -- Distance: 1.5133% / 0.01513308

48.8 Proto_Roman
17.6 Viking_Age_Dane
13.4 Medieval_Germanic
10.4 Celtic_Britain
4.2 Levantine
3.2 Thracian
2.4 Viking_Age_Norse

Version 3:

Target: Andour_scaled -- Distance: 1.4132% / 0.01413226

31.0 Proto_Roman
20.0 Iberia_Iron_Age
17.4 Medieval_Germanic
17.2 Viking_Age_Dane
4.8 Hellenic_Roman
3.2 Celtic_Britain
3.0 Thracian
2.4 Levantine
1.0 Viking_Age_Norse

**therugged** · 01-13-2021, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by JMcB

Version 3.0 Individuals

Target: JMcB_scaled
Distance: 1.2928% / 0.01292828 | ADC: 0.5x

66.6 Celtic_Britain
17.0 Iberia_Iron_Age
10.6 Medieval_Germanic
5.8 Viking_Age_Dane

and with the Iberian samples removed:

Target: JMcB_scaled
Distance: 1.3272% / 0.01327181 | ADC: 0.5x

63.0 Celtic_Britain
18.8 Medieval_Germanic
10.8 Proto_Roman
7.4 Viking_Age_Dane

Distance to: JMcB_scaled
0.02488375 Celtic_Britain:3DT16
0.03027369 Viking_Age_Dane:VK373
0.03050729 Celtic_Britain:6DT18
0.03097652 Celtic_Britain:I0160
0.03097652 Celtic_Britain:I0160
0.03122218 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_1
0.03125391 Viking_Age_Dane:VK301
0.03170450 Celtic_Britain:I0156
0.03170450 Celtic_Britain:I0156
0.03216057 Celtic_Britain:S14491
0.03668499 Celtic_Britain:M1489
0.03668499 Celtic_Britain:M1489
0.03731546 Celtic_Britain:6DT23
0.03779981 Viking_Age_Dane:VK134
0.03818252 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_10
0.03867929 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_stg021
0.03884080 Viking_Age_Dane:VK295
0.03982938 Celtic_Britain:6DT21
0.04034684 Viking_Age_Dane:VK370
0.04115289 Celtic_Britain:6DT3
0.04132534 Viking_Age_Dane:VK372
0.04181962 Celtic_Britain:I0789
0.04181962 Celtic_Britain:I0789
0.04187561 Viking_Age_Dane:VK141
0.04218448 Medieval_Germanic:STR_355

For those who would like to add the unmixed Orkney samples, these are the ones that Michalis (very helpfully) listed as Insular Celtic.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post714502

PHP Code:


VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK201,0.126344,0.138112,0.056945,0.044897,0.041854,0.013945,0.00188,0.003692,0.003272,-0.000182,-0.011692,0.005845,-0.02111,-0.014726,0.027687,-0.005569,-0.024251,-0.000887,0.00088,0.004502,0.007612,0.002349,-0.011092,0.018557,0.002395

VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK202,0.121791,0.132019,0.055814,0.054587,0.040007,0.019801,-0.00423,0.003692,0.013294,0.012392,0.000974,0.010491,-0.015163,-0.01679,0.02538,0.009679,-0.000391,0.004941,0.00264,0.005002,0.005615,0.002226,-0.002835,0.009881,0.006586

VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK203,0.124067,0.138112,0.062979,0.052972,0.033852,0.025937,0.001175,0.00923,0.001023,0.002916,-0.011205,0.007793,-0.014123,-0.014863,0.026058,-0.004641,-0.022948,0.002534,0.003771,0.01038,-0.002371,0.005688,-0.003944,0.01446,-0.000479

VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA:VK207,0.12862,0.135065,0.058077,0.04522,0.034776,0.013945,0.000235,0.003,0.00634,0.003645,-0.004547,0.008243,-0.016947,-0.013074,0.031623,-0.006629,-0.017211,0,0.005908,-0.002126,0.000624,0.009645,-0.00986,0.023738,0.002155

OK, I will add Orkney results as well.

**therugged** · 01-13-2021, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Kellebel

I think the southwestern European members aswell as those with Jewish ancestry could benefit from Guanches being added. And tbh, I'm also interested to see how it would affect French results and my mother's results especially. I tried adding the average, but I have no idea how to choose and pick individuals.

It would be better to see Iron Age Celtic results from France but i have no idea. I guess French ancients has been done but not published yet.
Btw, i will add Guanches too.

**therugged** · 01-13-2021, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Greekscholar

V.3 gives me much more of a "calculator effect" because of the Levant samples. Northern samples increase to balance out that big Levant chunk.

Target: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):GS(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos)
Distance: 1.4513% / 0.01451256
44.0 Hellenic_Roman
19.8 Levantine
19.4 Proto_Slavic
16.6 Thracian
0.2 Viking_Age_Norse

Target: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):GS_Dad(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos)
Distance: 1.6540% / 0.01653953
30.6 Thracian
27.6 Levantine
22.8 Hellenic_Roman
19.0 Proto_Slavic

Target: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):YiaYia(Fourni/Ikaria)
Distance: 1.3213% / 0.01321330
33.2 Hellenic_Roman
26.6 Levantine
20.0 Thracian
13.4 Proto_Slavic
6.8 Iberia_Iron_Age

Could you try without Levantine samples? and please add both average and individuals.

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