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    Quote Originally Posted by therugged View Post
    Could you try without Levantine samples? and please add both average and individuals.
    Without Levant - averages

     


    Target: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):GS(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos)
    Distance: 1.7557% / 0.01755670
    77.2 Hellenic_Roman
    14.2 Proto_Slavic
    4.6 Thracian
    4.0 Viking_Age_Norse

    Target: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):GS_Dad(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos)
    Distance: 2.2194% / 0.02219439
    57.2 Hellenic_Roman
    17.2 Thracian
    10.8 Greco_Anatolian
    9.6 Proto_Slavic
    5.2 Viking_Age_Norse

    Target: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):YiaYia(Fourni/Ikaria)
    Distance: 1.8888% / 0.01888786
    81.2 Hellenic_Roman
    8.8 Proto_Slavic
    5.8 Iberia_Iron_Age
    2.8 Viking_Age_Norse
    1.4 Thracian



    individual samples

     


    Target: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):GS(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos)
    Distance: 1.7557% / 0.01755670
    20.6 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR66
    15.8 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR45
    14.6 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR39
    14.2 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR44
    8.8 Proto_Slavic:2
    6.0 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR43
    5.4 Proto_Slavic:3
    5.0 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR115
    4.6 Thracian:I5769
    4.0 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_urm035
    1.0 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR69

    Target: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):GS_Dad(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos)
    Distance: 2.2194% / 0.02219428
    18.4 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR115
    16.8 Thracian:I5769
    14.2 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR39
    11.0 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR45
    10.4 Greco_Anatolian:G2503
    9.8 Proto_Slavic:2
    8.6 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR43
    5.6 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR69
    5.2 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_urm035


    Target: GS_family(Fourni/Ikaria/Samos):YiaYia(Fourni/Ikaria)
    Distance: 1.8888% / 0.01888828
    35.8 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR69
    17.0 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR45
    16.8 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR115
    11.2 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR123
    9.0 Proto_Slavic:2
    6.0 Iberia_Iron_Age:I3327
    2.6 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_urm035
    1.0 Thracian:I5769
    0.6 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR39





    Lots of calculators work this way for me and my family. We suck up direct Levant sources, then balance it with larger amounts of Steppe like sources. I don't think too much of it. I think it just shows a bit of an "Italian shift" meaning more EEF and Levant and less CHG and Iran_N compared to the Greek Island averages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellebel View Post
    I've played a bit with the IA French ones and the north and central ones seem to have some sort of super minor North African influence (hence my personal interest in the Guanches being added). But perhaps this isn't actually true, because of the low coverage. Yet the probably Gaulish sample from Imperial Rome has it aswell, but I'm not sure about its coverage?

     
    Target: ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
    Distance: 1.3963% / 0.01396263
    45.2 ITA_IA
    42.7 England_IA
    10.0 DEU_MA
    2.1 Canary_Islands_Guanche

    Distance to: ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
    0.01467455 French_Occitanie
    0.01651898 French_Auvergne
    0.02161204 Swiss_German
    0.02198333 French_Paris
    0.02218830 French_Nord
    0.02317833 French_Alsace
    0.02400921 Swiss_French
    0.02516054 Belgian
    0.02702108 Spanish_Barcelones
    0.02719824 Spanish_Penedes
    0.02725171 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.02818459 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.02830707 Spanish_Girona
    0.02852294 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.02866383 Spanish_Lleida
    0.02911056 French_Provence
    0.02928978 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.02957739 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.02996978 Spanish_Cataluna
    0.03119183 Spanish_Mallorca
    0.03119508 Spanish_Pirineu
    0.03122936 Spanish_Cantabria
    0.03226768 Spanish_Castello
    0.03239452 French_South
    0.03386153 Spanish_Valencia
    Hi Kellebel, most probably a side effect in relation to the low coverage for the French IA samples, Anglequeville stated it I think. Super frustating not to have a single reliable French IA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstephan View Post
    Hi Kellebel, most probably a side effect in relation to the low coverage for the French IA samples, Anglequeville stated it I think. Super frustating not to have a single reliable French IA.
    Yes.

    I runned them with whole spreadsheet. And some even scored Saami_kola.

    I would say that is because of low coverage.
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    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstephan View Post
    Hi Kellebel, most probably a side effect in relation to the low coverage for the French IA samples, Anglequeville stated it I think. Super frustating not to have a single reliable French IA.
    Yes, that may well be the case for the French samples. But do you happen to know anything about the coverage of RMPR116? Is it low aswell?

    Kae = Father // Ella = Mother // Pao = Maternal Grandmother:
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    Kae: 66.8 Dutch // 25.8 N+W French // 7.4 E German (@0.01632655)
    Ella: 92.9 Belgian // 4.0 W German // 3.1 W Sicilian (@0.01514940)
    Pao: 58.2 Belgian // 41.8 W German (@0.01636705)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellebel View Post
    Yes, that may well be the case for the French samples. But do you happen to know anything about the coverage of RMPR116? Is it low aswell?
    I have no idea for that one sorry

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    Distance: 1.4017% / 0.01401686
    26.6 Hellenic_Roman
    21.6 Viking_Age_Dane
    17.8 Medieval_Germanic
    13.6 Proto_Slavic
    11.0 Viking_Age_Norse
    8.4 Iberia_Iron_Age
    1.0 Greco_Anatolian

    Average samples
    Distance: 2.5605% / 0.02560536
    49.6 Medieval_Germanic
    15.6 Hellenic_Roman
    14.8 Iberia_Iron_Age
    13.0 Proto_Slavic
    7.0 Thracian
    distance%=4.6465"
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    Quote Originally Posted by jstephan View Post
    I have no idea for that one sorry
    Thank you! It'd be somewhat plausible if it were some sort of Greek-like influence, seen the trading between Hallstatt/LaTène and the Greeks. But North African? Probably not a coincidence that it's following the same trend as the French IA ones, so it must be a low coverage side effect aswell, then.

    Edited: sorry for the off topic.
    Last edited by Kellebel; 01-13-2021 at 09:34 PM.

    Kae = Father // Ella = Mother // Pao = Maternal Grandmother:
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    Kae: 66.8 Dutch // 25.8 N+W French // 7.4 E German (@0.01632655)
    Ella: 92.9 Belgian // 4.0 W German // 3.1 W Sicilian (@0.01514940)
    Pao: 58.2 Belgian // 41.8 W German (@0.01636705)

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    V3.0, individuals first, then averages:

    Distance: 0.8158365786323325%

    Medieval_Germanic: 34.2%
    Proto_Roman: 22.4%
    Viking_Age_Norse: 16.3%
    Iberia_Iron_Age: 15.3%
    Viking_Age_Dane: 8.1%
    Levantine: 3.3%
    Medieval_Turkic: 0.3%

    Distance: 1.4847745600747415%

    Proto_Roman: 37.0%
    Medieval_Germanic: 31.9%
    Viking_Age_Dane: 26.1%
    Iberia_Iron_Age: 3.1%
    Medieval_Turkic: 1.9%

    dad:

    Distance: 1.2482355142017176%

    Viking_Age_Norse: 44.2%
    Iberia_Iron_Age: 26.9%
    Viking_Age_Dane: 15.6%
    Hellenic_Roman: 7.9%
    Medieval_Turkic: 2.8%
    Levantine: 2.6%

    Distance: 2.66603010474105%

    Viking_Age_Dane: 65.4%
    Proto_Roman: 15.3%
    Thracian: 12.6%
    Medieval_Turkic: 4.2%
    Levantine: 2.4%

    mom:

    Distance: 0.9300740050532419%

    Proto_Roman: 28.6%
    Celtic_Britain: 27.4%
    Medieval_Germanic: 17.4%
    Viking_Age_Norse: 12.1%
    Proto_Slavic: 9.7%
    Viking_Age_Dane: 4.8%

    Distance: 1.5968833073145197%

    Celtic_Britain: 32.6%
    Medieval_Germanic: 31.8%
    Proto_Roman: 26.7%
    Proto_Slavic: 8.9%

    wife:

    Distance: 0.8135571061401885%

    Viking_Age_Dane: 37.2%
    Celtic_Britain: 17.6%
    Proto_Roman: 14.8%
    Medieval_Germanic: 10.4%
    Iberia_Iron_Age: 9.8%
    Viking_Age_Norse: 4.7%
    Levantine: 3.3%
    Thracian: 2.3%

    Distance: 1.351760946417473%

    Viking_Age_Dane: 33.3%
    Celtic_Britain: 22.3%
    Medieval_Germanic: 19.9%
    Iberia_Iron_Age: 10.8%
    Thracian: 10.0%
    Levantine: 3.8%

    fil:

    Distance: 1.6401026382380617%

    Medieval_Germanic: 34.4%
    Viking_Age_Dane: 25.1%
    Celtic_Britain: 14.0%
    Iberia_Iron_Age: 11.1%
    Hellenic_Roman: 9.7%
    Viking_Age_Norse: 5.6%

    Distance: 2.571419037454309%

    Medieval_Germanic: 84.7%
    Iberia_Iron_Age: 10.3%
    Hellenic_Roman: 2.5%
    Levantine: 2.4%

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    Individuals


    Target: Korabi
    Distance: 2.0597% / 0.02059737

    35.9 Thracian
    35.0 Hellenic_Roman
    16.8 Proto_Slavic
    12.3 Iberia_Iron_Age


    Distance to: Korabi
    0.04576255 Thracian:I5769
    0.06251567 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR69
    0.06317539 Proto_Roman:2

    0.06434883 Proto_Roman:1
    0.07501503 Proto_Roman:3
    0.07532315 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR115
    0.07674629 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR39
    0.07687603 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR40
    0.07690038 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR123
    0.08065730 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR43
    0.08077886 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR44
    0.08202282 Iberia_Iron_Age:I3324
    0.08404474 Iberia_Iron_Age:I3327
    0.08536396 Greco_Anatolian:G2503
    0.08664253 Iberia_Iron_Age:I3323
    0.08742509 Greco_Anatolian:G2502
    0.08777536 Iberia_Iron_Age:I3320
    0.08820950 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR128
    0.08898605 Iberia_Iron_Age:I3759
    0.08901962 Greco_Anatolian:657
    0.09082629 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR1545
    0.09127560 Iberia_Iron_Age:I12410
    0.09222622 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR66
    0.09266904 Greco_Anatolian:661
    0.09543038 Hellenic_Roman:RMPR78

    Averaged:

    Target: Korabi
    Distance: 2.8503% / 0.02850325

    71.0 Thracian
    23.7 Proto_Slavic
    5.3 Greco_Anatolian

    Distance to: Korabi
    0.04576255 Thracian:I5769
    0.06074616 Proto_Roman
    0.07823278 Hellenic_Roman

    0.08933586 Iberia_Iron_Age
    0.09314206 Greco_Anatolian
    0.11086980 Celtic_Britain
    0.12002656 Proto_Slavic
    0.12021406 Medieval_Germanic
    0.12290317 Viking_Age_Dane
    0.12703244 Viking_Age_Norse
    0.13341620 Levantine
    0.31423693 Medieval_Turkic

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    Distance to: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    0.03613822 Iberia_Iron_Age:I3759
    0.04372780 Iberia_Iron_Age:I3758
    0.04412614 Iberia_Iron_Age:I3324
    0.04525940 Iberia_Iron_Age:I12879
    0.04716453 Celtic_Britain:S14491
    0.04721790 Celtic_Britain:6DT18
    0.04930898 Celtic_Britain:3DT16
    0.04975652 Viking_Age_Dane:VK301
    0.05032511 Celtic_Britain:I0156
    0.05032511 Celtic_Britain:I0156
    0.05046936 Celtic_Britain:M1489
    0.05046936 Celtic_Britain:M1489
    0.05054043 Viking_Age_Dane:VK373
    0.05298452 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_1
    0.05424518 Celtic_Britain:6DT23
    0.05462317 Celtic_Britain:I0160
    0.05462317 Celtic_Britain:I0160
    0.05667657 Iberia_Iron_Age:I3320
    0.05686517 Celtic_Britain:6DT21
    0.05779711 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_10
    0.05791470 Proto_Roman:2
    0.05857966 Medieval_Germanic:STR_355
    0.05924741 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_stg021
    0.05983295 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_97002
    0.06032339 Celtic_Britain:I0789

    Target: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    Distance: 1.4945% / 0.01494475
    48.8 Iberia_Iron_Age
    28.2 Celtic_Britain
    7.0 Medieval_Germanic
    5.4 Levantine
    4.4 Proto_Roman
    3.4 Viking_Age_Norse
    2.8 Proto_Slavic

    Myself

    Distance to: boilermeschew827_scaled
    0.02575631 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_grt036
    0.03311836 Proto_Slavic:1
    0.03473955 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_stg021
    0.03531412 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_1
    0.03545434 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_stg026
    0.03584514 Viking_Age_Dane:VK141
    0.03677655 Viking_Age_Dane:VK301
    0.03922545 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_84001
    0.03938027 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_gtm021
    0.03951158 Viking_Age_Dane:VK279
    0.04110871 Viking_Age_Dane:VK370
    0.04121307 Viking_Age_Dane:VK373
    0.04155589 Viking_Age_Dane:VK316
    0.04157307 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_3
    0.04199121 Celtic_Britain:6DT21
    0.04331082 Viking_Age_Dane:VK134
    0.04406849 Celtic_Britain:I0789
    0.04406849 Celtic_Britain:I0789
    0.04438311 Proto_Slavic:3
    0.04483045 Viking_Age_Norse:vik_97002
    0.04489460 Viking_Age_Dane:VK295
    0.04539496 Celtic_Britain:3DT16
    0.04552029 Medieval_Germanic:AED_249
    0.04572767 Medieval_Germanic:ALH_10
    0.04601405 Viking_Age_Dane:VK300

    Target: boilermeschew827_scaled
    Distance: 1.3752% / 0.01375231
    46.0 Proto_Slavic
    20.6 Viking_Age_Dane
    20.6 Viking_Age_Norse
    9.8 Iberia_Iron_Age
    3.0 Medieval_Turkic


    Averages


    Myself

    Target: boilermeschew827_scaled
    Distance: 1.9550% / 0.01954970
    38.8 Proto_Slavic
    22.6 Viking_Age_Norse
    14.6 Medieval_Germanic
    12.8 Viking_Age_Dane
    8.2 Iberia_Iron_Age
    3.0 Medieval_Turkic

    Grandma

    Target: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    Distance: 1.9139% / 0.01913938
    46.2 Iberia_Iron_Age
    24.4 Medieval_Germanic
    20.8 Celtic_Britain
    7.0 Thracian
    1.6 Levantine

    Definitely makes more sense for both of us - good job! Proto Slavic is a happy medium, where it should be for me; Iberia is back up for grandma.
    Maternal grandfather: born in Leningrad Oblast, Russia (1928)
    Maternal grandmother: born in Centre-Val de Loire, France (1927) - earliest documented ancestor (1770) Indre, France
    Paternal grandmother: born in the US - earliest documented ancestors (c. 1800) Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and Lower Saxony
    Paternal grandfather: born in the US - paternal grandparents born in Danzig (c. 1854), maternal grandparents born in Kolding, Denmark 1875, maternal great grandma born in Lindberg, Sweden 1849

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