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    Quote Originally Posted by andyouare View Post
    Just for fun, I'm curious if anyone can model me with a Montenegrin population or another related population. MyHeritage assigned me with medium confidence to the genetic group Montenegro (Montenegrins in Montenegro and some of their descendants in Serbia and in Turkey). Known ancestry is mostly Palestinian Muslim and some Palestinian Christian.

    AYA_scaled,0.061464,0.125926,-0.049026,-0.073644,-0.013541,-0.019243,-0.00376,0.002538,0.007158,0.007289,0.000162,-0.006894,0.011596,0.002202,-0.000407,0.004243,0.00013,-0.00152,-0.002137,-0.005127,-0.000624,0.00136,-0.00456,-0.005061,0.003233
    I tried my Ancestry calculator using the alternates presets, but it didn't seem interested in picking Balkan references. It created options like these:

    Distance: 1.827032121211009%

    Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni: 100.0%

    Distance: 1.6830787586021696%

    Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni: 84.6%
    Palestinian: 15.4%

    Distance: 1.6650578072686975%

    Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni: 80.1%
    Jordanian: 19.8%

    Distance: 1.5769050472344555%

    Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni: 79.5%
    Lebanese_Christian_Maronite: 14.9%
    Turkish_Southwest: 5.6%

    Distance: 1.5328107737306427%

    Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni: 74.8%
    Lebanese_Muslim_Shia: 25.2%

    Distance: 1.3590832190218214%

    Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni: 49.4%
    Syrian: 32.9%
    Lebanese_Christian: 17.7%

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    With this you score 0% Balkan.
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    Arab,0.05059585,0.13995270,-0.06513990,-0.11723870,-0.00940130,-0.04997380,-0.01229238,-0.00808298,0.05608075,-0.00410653,0.01556333,-0.03192903,0.06243548,0.00350273,0.00455410,0.02525745,-0.02140830,0.00386218,0.00015448,0.02687405,0.01263658,0.01614353,-0.00905183,0.00697205,-0.00832413
    Levantine,0.0865055,0.1477087,-0.0557572,-0.0887281,-0.0126487,-0.0290883,-0.003807,-0.0066227,0.0140405,0.0092668,0.0062843,-0.0078456,0.0157062,0.0033169,-0.0052116,0.008287,-0.0006975,0.0014885,0.0009931,-0.0023888,-0.0011044,0.0035055,0.0020398,0.0012109,0.0039994
    Iran,0.08819270,0.10113475,-0.06562890,-0.02964950,-0.04627995,-0.00295545,0.00468410,-0.00464850,-0.02821040,-0.01373640,0.00216160,-0.00098600,0.00418345,-0.00166035,0.00498295,0.01070660,-0.00466300,0.00281875,0.00398130,-0.00991535,-0.00093175,-0.00418420,-0.00039000,-0.00518885,0.00490625
    SSA,-0.6069934,0.0655298,0.0190028,0.0110807,0.0009403,0.0073132,-0.0368968,0.0386652,-0.0312694,0.0250018,0.0052462,-0.0024354,0.017864,-0.0009902,0.0137757,-0.0137304,0.0103041,-0.0007249,-0.0020287,-0.0027166,-0.0017192,-0.0037302,0.0024958,-0.0005524,0.0014369
    Turkey,0.0992254,0.0786815,-0.0200851,-0.0319207,-0.0200989,-0.0106798,0.0050411,-0.0002120,-0.0184973,-0.0010534,-0.0007855,0.0013163,-0.0028215,0.0017155,-0.0041298,0.0000325,0.0029920,0.0011112,0.0018688,-0.0017495,-0.0029590,-0.0000647,-0.0019151,-0.0004425,-0.0000719
    Balkan:Montenegro+Serbia,0.1264574,0.1370965,0.0383531,0.0138567,0.0308671,0.0052432,0.004183,0.0059306,0.0006545,0.0025696,-0.0012503,-0.0006743,0.0017988,0.011285,-0.012907,-0.0012727,0.0074839,-0.0008107,0.0058827,-0.0031016,-0.0063387,-0.0002968,0.0054231,0.0012894,-0.0010299
    With this one you score some Balkan, but with quite high distance.

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    Levantine,0.0865055,0.1477087,-0.0557572,-0.0887281,-0.0126487,-0.0290883,-0.003807,-0.0066227,0.0140405,0.0092668,0.0062843,-0.0078456,0.0157062,0.0033169,-0.0052116,0.008287,-0.0006975,0.0014885,0.0009931,-0.0023888,-0.0011044,0.0035055,0.0020398,0.0012109,0.0039994
    Balkan:Montenegro+Serbia,0.1264574,0.1370965,0.0383531,0.0138567,0.0308671,0.0052432,0.004183,0.0059306,0.0006545,0.0025696,-0.0012503,-0.0006743,0.0017988,0.011285,-0.012907,-0.0012727,0.0074839,-0.0008107,0.0058827,-0.0031016,-0.0063387,-0.0002968,0.0054231,0.0012894,-0.0010299
    With this different Levantine reference, you get better distances but your Balkan %...

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    Palestine+Lebanon,0.0640993,0.1372967,-0.0475933,-0.0750376,-0.0138296,-0.0279041,-0.0037318,-0.0035594,0.0089495,0.0034234,0.006825,-0.0067155,0.0154014,0.0001438,-0.0047802,0.0079568,-0.002095,-0.000374,0.0011509,0.0012139,0.0001928,0.0027221,-0.0007877,0.0023052,0.0005098
    Balkan:Montenegro+Serbia,0.1264574,0.1370965,0.0383531,0.0138567,0.0308671,0.0052432,0.004183,0.0059306,0.0006545,0.0025696,-0.0012503,-0.0006743,0.0017988,0.011285,-0.012907,-0.0012727,0.0074839,-0.0008107,0.0058827,-0.0031016,-0.0063387,-0.0002968,0.0054231,0.0012894,-0.0010299
    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    I tried my Ancestry calculator using the alternates presets, but it didn't seem interested in picking Balkan references. It created options like these:

    Distance: 1.827032121211009%

    Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni: 100.0%

    Distance: 1.6830787586021696%

    Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni: 84.6%
    Palestinian: 15.4%

    Distance: 1.6650578072686975%

    Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni: 80.1%
    Jordanian: 19.8%

    Distance: 1.5769050472344555%

    Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni: 79.5%
    Lebanese_Christian_Maronite: 14.9%
    Turkish_Southwest: 5.6%

    Distance: 1.5328107737306427%

    Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni: 74.8%
    Lebanese_Muslim_Shia: 25.2%

    Distance: 1.3590832190218214%

    Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni: 49.4%
    Syrian: 32.9%
    Lebanese_Christian: 17.7%
    Thanks! dna.land also gives me 1.2% Balkan which it defines as (Albanian in Albania; Bulgarian in Bulgaria and Greek in (2 sites) Greece) so I was wondering if any trace % would should up. It seemed odd that MH would assign me that group despite scoring no Balkan.
    Last edited by andyouare; 01-22-2021 at 08:58 AM.

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    Can somebody help me to model with ancient models, preferably for Eastern/Southeastern Europeans/West Asians ?

    Cyryl_scaled,0.134311,0.127957,0.053174,0.047158,0 .033852,0.014781,0.006345,0.005077,-0.004295,-0.015308,0.005846,-0.010641,0.014569,0.01156,-0.015472,0.000398,0.001825,-0.000633,-0.000754,0.001126,-0.006613,-0.007543,0.003328,-0.001084,0.005748


    Thanks in advance

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    Somebody refered me to there to model my g25. I am from Romania in the Galati region with some probably a distant jewish ancestors. 23andme showed me anatolian as well.

    Here are my g25: Christian_scaled,0.122929,0.133034,0.033187,0.0035 53,0.02185,-0.003068,-0.00188,-0.001385,-0.004704,0.00164,-0.000487,-0.006594,0.008622,0.013625,-0.011265,0.002784,0.01004,0.002154,0.002137,0.0032 52,-0.001872,0.002844,0.000986,0.003494,0.002754

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisbab View Post
    Somebody refered me to there to model my g25. I am from Romania in the Galati region with some probably a distant jewish ancestors. 23andme showed me anatolian as well.

    Here are my g25: Christian_scaled,0.122929,0.133034,0.033187,0.0035 53,0.02185,-0.003068,-0.00188,-0.001385,-0.004704,0.00164,-0.000487,-0.006594,0.008622,0.013625,-0.011265,0.002784,0.01004,0.002154,0.002137,0.0032 52,-0.001872,0.002844,0.000986,0.003494,0.002754
    Hi Chris.
    Here are some ways you could be modeled using G25 modern populations:

    Target: Christian_scaled
    Distance: 1.2349% / 0.01234879
    27.0 Greek_Laconia
    25.4 Bosnian
    11.4 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    9.6 Polish_CN
    6.2 Cossack_Kuban
    6.2 Lithuanian_VA
    4.0 Bulgarian_NW
    4.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    2.6 Polish_E
    2.2 Saudi
    1.2 Surui
    0.2 Colla

    Reduced to 5 populations:

    Target: Christian_scaled
    Distance: 1.3058% / 0.01305779 | R5P
    44.0 Greek_Laconia
    25.6 Polish_CN
    15.6 Lithuanian_VA
    13.0 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    1.8 Quechua

    4 pops:

    Target: Christian_scaled
    Distance: 1.3418% / 0.01341773 | R4P
    43.6 Polish_CN
    42.6 Greek_Laconia
    11.8 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    2.0 Bolivian_Cochabamba

    Ancient:

    Target: Christian_scaled
    Distance: 3.6831% / 0.03683078
    46.2 Early_Farmer
    44.8 Steppe_Herder
    5.0 Natufian
    3.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
    0.4 Devil's_Gate_Neolithic
    Y-DNA (P) I1 > ... > L22+ Benevento, Campania, Italy
    mtDNA (M) U5a2b2 Venezia, Veneto, Italy
    Y-DNA (M) R1b > ... > DF27 > ... > Z201+ Bahia, Brazil
    mtDNA (P) U2e2 Vicenza, Veneto, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    Can somebody help me to model with ancient models, preferably for Eastern/Southeastern Europeans/West Asians ?

    Cyryl_scaled,0.134311,0.127957,0.053174,0.047158,0 .033852,0.014781,0.006345,0.005077,-0.004295,-0.015308,0.005846,-0.010641,0.014569,0.01156,-0.015472,0.000398,0.001825,-0.000633,-0.000754,0.001126,-0.006613,-0.007543,0.003328,-0.001084,0.005748


    Thanks in advance
    These are some of the simpler models I found with the more recent ancients. I am not that good with the ancients modeling.

    Distance: 1.9795942811839522%

    HUN_Avar_Szolad: 59.5%
    VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA: 22.1%
    Scythian_UKR: 18.4%

    Distance: 2.1832207990781742%

    VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA: 42.2%
    HUN_Avar_Szolad: 38.5%
    CZE_Early_Slav: 19.4%

    Distance: 1.9270751903685153%

    VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA: 48.5%
    HUN_MA_Szolad: 20.7%
    HUN_Avar_Szolad: 20.6%
    RUS_Sunghir_MA: 10.1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisbab View Post
    Somebody refered me to there to model my g25. I am from Romania in the Galati region with some probably a distant jewish ancestors. 23andme showed me anatolian as well.

    Here are my g25: Christian_scaled,0.122929,0.133034,0.033187,0.0035 53,0.02185,-0.003068,-0.00188,-0.001385,-0.004704,0.00164,-0.000487,-0.006594,0.008622,0.013625,-0.011265,0.002784,0.01004,0.002154,0.002137,0.0032 52,-0.001872,0.002844,0.000986,0.003494,0.002754
    I am getting these kinds of models using my Ancestry Calculator app with the preset for creating alternatives:

    Distance: 1.4235281819669088%

    Moldovan: 78.4%
    Serbian: 21.5%

    Distance: 1.4996664686449994%

    Moldovan: 46.8%
    Greek_Central_Macedonia: 37.5%
    Hungarian: 15.6%

    Distance: 1.6508527185009712%

    Moldovan: 58.6%
    Serbian: 21.1%
    Greek_Central_Macedonia: 20.3

    Distance: 1.6541382461346614%

    Serbian: 52.1%
    Greek_Central_Macedonia: 38.0%
    Moldovan: 9.9%

    Distance: 1.7948481833374634%

    Moldovan: 49.1%
    Romanian: 37.8%
    Greek_Central_Macedonia: 13.1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    These are some of the simpler models I found with the more recent ancients. I am not that good with the ancients modeling.

    Distance: 1.9795942811839522%

    HUN_Avar_Szolad: 59.5%
    VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA: 22.1%
    Scythian_UKR: 18.4%

    Distance: 2.1832207990781742%

    VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA: 42.2%
    HUN_Avar_Szolad: 38.5%
    CZE_Early_Slav: 19.4%

    Distance: 1.9270751903685153%

    VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA: 48.5%
    HUN_MA_Szolad: 20.7%
    HUN_Avar_Szolad: 20.6%
    RUS_Sunghir_MA: 10.1%
    Do these Viking samples have southern admixture in them?

    I tried to model without it, but I think something is missing, because distance is not low

    Target: Cyryl_scaled
    Distance: 2.3135% / 0.02313531
    72.4 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    16.2 CZE_Early_Slav
    7.4 TUR_Isparta_EBA
    2.6 Levant_JOR_EBA
    1.4 RUS_Sunghir

    This I found with lower distance, but does it look realible?

    Target: Cyryl_scaled
    Distance: 1.7636% / 0.01763581 | R4P
    47.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    31.6 RUS_Sunghir_MA
    12.4 TUR_Tell_Kurdu_MC
    8.8 RUS_Poltavka
    Last edited by CyrylBojarski; 01-26-2021 at 11:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    Do these Viking samples have southern admixture in them?

    I tried to model without it, but I think something is missing, because distance is not low

    Target: Cyryl_scaled
    Distance: 2.3135% / 0.02313531
    72.4 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    16.2 CZE_Early_Slav
    7.4 TUR_Isparta_EBA
    2.6 Levant_JOR_EBA
    1.4 RUS_Sunghir

    This I found with lower distance, but does it look realible?

    Target: Cyryl_scaled
    Distance: 1.7636% / 0.01763581 | R4P
    47.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    31.6 RUS_Sunghir_MA
    12.4 TUR_Tell_Kurdu_MC
    8.8 RUS_Poltavka
    You would have to read on the various samples, but some have been doing clustering of the Viking samples and they aren't all classically Scandinavian by my understanding. So, you have samples from Viking locations and timeframe, but they aren't all Nordic, by my understanding. I am sure you can make better custom models. I was giving some examples on how the gradient descent algorithms wanted to model you given the entire set from the G25 spreadsheet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    Do these Viking samples have southern admixture in them?

    I tried to model without it, but I think something is missing, because distance is not low
    Some of the "Viking" samples are French and some are Slavic or Baltic etc.
    Hidden Content

    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

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