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    How West Eurasian are different Uralic populations in Europe?

    And did those lands have ANE/WSHG/EHG substrates before Uralics (guessing close to fully ENA populations) moved in?

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    From what I understand the TRVE Uralics like Khanti, Mansi, Nenets are not West Eurasian what so ever, their most "West Eurasian" component comes from EHG admix that was present in Siberia since forever

    The wannabe Uralics like Mari, Udmurts, Komi are assimilated Corded Ware and Combed Ware people with minor TRVE Uralic admixture

    If we're talking about Moksha/Erzya/Karelians/Finns/Estonians/Hungarians then they're just typical Europeans of Corded Ware, Combed Ware, Bell Beaker descent with pretty much nothing eastern

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    Quote Originally Posted by al.Krivich View Post
    From what I understand the TRVE Uralics like Khanti, Mansi, Nenets are not West Eurasian what so ever, their most "West Eurasian" component comes from EHG admix that was present in Siberia since forever

    The wannabe Uralics like Mari, Udmurts, Komi are assimilated Corded Ware and Combed Ware people with minor TRVE Uralic admixture

    If we're talking about Moksha/Erzya/Karelians/Finns/Estonians/Hungarians then they're just typical Europeans of Corded Ware, Combed Ware, Bell Beaker descent with pretty much nothing eastern
    So Finns/Estonians and the like have absolutely no Siberian or East Asian ancestry at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Live View Post
    So Finns/Estonians and the like have absolutely no Siberian or East Asian ancestry at all?
    Estonians have almost no Siberian, Finns have it but actually less than Northern Russians it does peak in the Saami though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Live View Post
    So Finns/Estonians and the like have absolutely no Siberian or East Asian ancestry at all?
    Almost none pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al.Krivich View Post
    From what I understand the TRVE Uralics like Khanti, Mansi, Nenets are not West Eurasian what so ever, their most "West Eurasian" component comes from EHG admix that was present in Siberia since forever

    The wannabe Uralics like Mari, Udmurts, Komi are assimilated Corded Ware and Combed Ware people with minor TRVE Uralic admixture

    If we're talking about Moksha/Erzya/Karelians/Finns/Estonians/Hungarians then they're just typical Europeans of Corded Ware, Combed Ware, Bell Beaker descent with pretty much nothing eastern
    Khanty, Mansi, Nenets actually have it quite a lot of West Eurasian ancestry. EHG is a West Eurasian component as well. There have been West Eurasians in Siberia since ancient times. Khanty, Mansi are around 47-49% West Eurasian while Nenets are approx 29% West Eurasian. Krasnoyarsk_BA is an East Eurasian component closely related to modern day Nganassans.

    Target: Khanty
    Distance: 6.1798% / 0.06179766
    53.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    41.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    3.6 Baltic_EST_BA
    2.0 WHG



    Target: Mansi
    Distance: 6.0422% / 0.06042214
    51.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    38.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    6.6 Baltic_EST_BA
    2.6 WHG
    0.6 TUR_Barcin_N



    Target: Nenets
    Distance: 4.4318% / 0.04431806
    50.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    25.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    20.4 Nganassan
    1.8 WHG
    0.6 Baltic_EST_BA
    0.4 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o
    0.4 TUR_Barcin_N


    Also Maris, Udmurts, Komis are not wannabe Uralics. They would cluster with Balts, Slavs, and Scandinavians if they are are assimilated Corded Ware and Combed Ware people with minor TRVE Uralic admixture. In fact, they have very significant amounts of Uralic (East Eurasian) ancestry. Udmurts are around 25-26% East Asian, Mari are approx 32-33% East Eurasian and Komi are 16-17% East Asian on average. Maitan_Alakul is a Steppe pop closely related to Sintashta_MLBA.

    Target: Udmurt
    Distance: 2.7785% / 0.02778518
    32.6 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    25.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    21.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    19.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
    0.8 Baltic_EST_BA
    0.4 Levant_PPNB
    0.4 TUR_Barcin_N

    Target: Mari
    Distance: 8.8936% / 0.08893626
    40.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
    32.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    24.0 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    2.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    0.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Komi
    Distance: 1.5613% / 0.01561284
    32.0 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    22.6 Baltic_EST_BA
    18.8 Baltic_LTU_BA
    17.0 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    6.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    3.6 TUR_Barcin_N

    Also adding Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o and Uyelgi which are ancient Uralic populations (keep in mind they already have West Eurasian admixture) along with Krasnoyarsk_BA and you can see the amount of Uralic ancestry in these groups.
    Also Udmurt, Mari, Komi seem to have some Iranian/Caucasus-related affinity as well likely from Scythian/Sarmatian or Turkic tribes roaming the Urals, which is something that Corded Ware and Combed Ware descended Europeans generally lacked. RUS_Alan_MA/Dzharkutan2_BA = resemble modern North Caucasians, Sappali_Tepe = resemble modern Iranians

    Target: Khanty
    Distance: 4.4647% / 0.04464659
    42.6 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    25.8 Uyelgi

    18.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    12.6 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    0.4 UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o

    Target: Mansi
    Distance: 4.1834% / 0.04183355
    44.0 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    27.0 Uyelgi
    15.0 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    11.4 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    2.6 Levant_PPNB

    Target: Nenets
    Distance: 4.2736% / 0.04273600
    56.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    16.2 Uyelgi
    12.4 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o

    8.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    6.6 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o


    Target: Udmurt
    Distance: 2.2967% / 0.02296709
    37.8 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    14.4 Uyelgi
    12.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    11.4 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    10.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
    5.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    4.2 RUS_Alan_MA
    3.2 Baltic_EST_BA
    0.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    0.2 UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o

    Target: Mari
    Distance: 8.2352% / 0.08235223
    34.0 Uyelgi
    32.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
    16.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    13.6 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    2.4 Levant_PPNB
    0.8 Han
    0.2 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Komi
    Distance: 1.5077% / 0.01507663
    33.2 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    23.2 Baltic_EST_BA
    16.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
    14.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    4.4 Uyelgi
    3.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    3.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    1.0 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o


    Removing Krasnoyarsk_BA with Uyelgi and Bolshoy Ostrov to see the actual amount of Uralic genes:

    Target: Khanty
    Distance: 5.0651% / 0.05065091
    71.0 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    24.8 Uyelgi

    2.0 RUS_Alan_MA
    1.2 MNG_North_N
    1.0 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Mansi
    Distance: 4.7348% / 0.04734837
    68.4 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    25.8 Uyelgi

    4.2 RUS_Alan_MA
    1.6 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Nenets
    Distance: 9.1206% / 0.09120610
    60.4 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    26.8 MNG_North_N
    12.8 Uyelgi


    Target: Udmurt
    Distance: 2.4874% / 0.02487387
    32.2 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    30.2 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    15.2 Uyelgi
    9.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
    8.4 RUS_Alan_MA
    2.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    2.2 Baltic_EST_BA

    Target: Mari
    Distance: 8.4189% / 0.08418853
    37.6 Uyelgi
    27.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
    24.4 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    5.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    2.8 Levant_PPNB
    1.4 Han
    0.4 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Komi
    Distance: 1.9040% / 0.01904045
    23.8 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    22.6 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    20.8 Baltic_EST_BA
    16.4 Baltic_LTU_BA
    7.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    5.8 Uyelgi
    2.2 UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA
    0.6 MNG_North_N
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsakhur View Post
    Khanty, Mansi, Nenets actually have it quite a lot of West Eurasian ancestry. EHG is a West Eurasian component as well. There have been West Eurasians in Siberia since ancient times. Khanty, Mansi are around 47-49% West Eurasian while Nenets are approx 29% West Eurasian. Krasnoyarsk_BA is an East Eurasian component closely related to modern day Nganassans.

    Target: Khanty
    Distance: 6.1798% / 0.06179766
    53.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    41.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    3.6 Baltic_EST_BA
    2.0 WHG



    Target: Mansi
    Distance: 6.0422% / 0.06042214
    51.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    38.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    6.6 Baltic_EST_BA
    2.6 WHG
    0.6 TUR_Barcin_N



    Target: Nenets
    Distance: 4.4318% / 0.04431806
    50.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    25.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    20.4 Nganassan
    1.8 WHG
    0.6 Baltic_EST_BA
    0.4 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o
    0.4 TUR_Barcin_N


    Also Maris, Udmurts, Komis are not wannabe Uralics. They would cluster with Balts, Slavs, and Scandinavians if they are are assimilated Corded Ware and Combed Ware people with minor TRVE Uralic admixture. In fact, they have very significant amounts of Uralic (East Eurasian) ancestry. Udmurts are around 25-26% East Asian, Mari are approx 32-33% East Eurasian and Komi are 16-17% East Asian on average. Maitan_Alakul is a Steppe pop closely related to Sintashta_MLBA.

    Target: Udmurt
    Distance: 2.7785% / 0.02778518
    32.6 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    25.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    21.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    19.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
    0.8 Baltic_EST_BA
    0.4 Levant_PPNB
    0.4 TUR_Barcin_N

    Target: Mari
    Distance: 8.8936% / 0.08893626
    40.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
    32.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    24.0 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    2.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    0.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Target: Komi
    Distance: 1.5613% / 0.01561284
    32.0 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    22.6 Baltic_EST_BA
    18.8 Baltic_LTU_BA
    17.0 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    6.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    3.6 TUR_Barcin_N

    Also adding Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o and Uyelgi which are ancient Uralic populations (keep in mind they already have West Eurasian admixture) along with Krasnoyarsk_BA and you can see the amount of Uralic ancestry in these groups.
    Also Udmurt, Mari, Komi seem to have some Iranian/Caucasus-related affinity as well likely from Scythian/Sarmatian or Turkic tribes roaming the Urals, which is something that Corded Ware and Combed Ware descended Europeans generally lacked. RUS_Alan_MA/Dzharkutan2_BA = resemble modern North Caucasians, Sappali_Tepe = resemble modern Iranians

    Target: Khanty
    Distance: 4.4647% / 0.04464659
    42.6 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    25.8 Uyelgi

    18.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    12.6 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    0.4 UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o

    Target: Mansi
    Distance: 4.1834% / 0.04183355
    44.0 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    27.0 Uyelgi
    15.0 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    11.4 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    2.6 Levant_PPNB

    Target: Nenets
    Distance: 4.2736% / 0.04273600
    56.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    16.2 Uyelgi
    12.4 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o

    8.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    6.6 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o


    Target: Udmurt
    Distance: 2.2967% / 0.02296709
    37.8 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    14.4 Uyelgi
    12.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    11.4 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    10.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
    5.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    4.2 RUS_Alan_MA
    3.2 Baltic_EST_BA
    0.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    0.2 UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o

    Target: Mari
    Distance: 8.2352% / 0.08235223
    34.0 Uyelgi
    32.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
    16.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    13.6 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    2.4 Levant_PPNB
    0.8 Han
    0.2 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Komi
    Distance: 1.5077% / 0.01507663
    33.2 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    23.2 Baltic_EST_BA
    16.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
    14.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    4.4 Uyelgi
    3.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    3.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    1.0 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o


    Removing Krasnoyarsk_BA with Uyelgi and Bolshoy Ostrov to see the actual amount of Uralic genes:

    Target: Khanty
    Distance: 5.0651% / 0.05065091
    71.0 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    24.8 Uyelgi

    2.0 RUS_Alan_MA
    1.2 MNG_North_N
    1.0 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Mansi
    Distance: 4.7348% / 0.04734837
    68.4 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    25.8 Uyelgi

    4.2 RUS_Alan_MA
    1.6 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Nenets
    Distance: 9.1206% / 0.09120610
    60.4 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    26.8 MNG_North_N
    12.8 Uyelgi


    Target: Udmurt
    Distance: 2.4874% / 0.02487387
    32.2 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    30.2 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    15.2 Uyelgi
    9.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
    8.4 RUS_Alan_MA
    2.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    2.2 Baltic_EST_BA

    Target: Mari
    Distance: 8.4189% / 0.08418853
    37.6 Uyelgi
    27.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
    24.4 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    5.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    2.8 Levant_PPNB
    1.4 Han
    0.4 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: Komi
    Distance: 1.9040% / 0.01904045
    23.8 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    22.6 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    20.8 Baltic_EST_BA
    16.4 Baltic_LTU_BA
    7.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    5.8 Uyelgi
    2.2 UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA
    0.6 MNG_North_N
    if Oleni Ostrov is proxy for EHG, then we can conclude based on this that Khants are something like 71% EHG. This would make them very west eurasian genetically, however their appearance is rather east eurasian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al.Krivich View Post
    if Oleni Ostrov is proxy for EHG, then we can conclude based on this that Khants are something like 71% EHG. This would make them very west eurasian genetically, however their appearance is rather east eurasian.
    Sorry for very late reply.

    Oleni_Ostrov and Oleni_Ostrov_o are not proxies for EHG as they also have very high levels of East Eurasian of mainly Nganasan/Krasnoyarsk_BA (kra001)-related ancestry. If you want a proxy for EHG, you have many options from Samara_HG, Karelia_HG, Sidelkino_HG, Volga_Kama_EN, Khvalynsk_EN and Veretye_Meso.

    Target: RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov
    Distance: 2.3544% / 0.02354423
    37.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    32.6 RUS_Khvalynsk_En
    24.2 RUS_Volga-Kama_N
    2.8 WHG
    1.4 Han
    1.2 MNG_North_N

    Target: RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
    Distance: 2.6907% / 0.02690695
    47.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    23.8 RUS_Khvalynsk_En
    22.8 RUS_Volga-Kama_N
    3.8 Han
    1.8 MNG_North_N


    Oleni_Ostrov is around 40% ENA/Eastern Non-African (another term for Eastern Eurasian) while Oleni_Ostrov_o is approximately 53% Eastern Eurasian/ENA.

    Khanty are not 71% EHG but closer to 44% EHG with the rest of their genome being 51% Eastern Eurasian and 5% EEF/Neolithic Farmer.

    Target: Khanty
    Distance: 4.7530% / 0.04753042
    50.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    43.8 RUS_Khvalynsk_En
    5.4 TUR_Barcin_N
    Last edited by Tsakhur; 09-24-2021 at 01:03 PM.

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    I selected modern samples from 1240K+HO with longitude over -30 and latitude over 30, and with no suffix like .SG or .DG. I excluded Chukchi, Eskimo, Itelmen, Koryak, Nanai, Negidal, Nivh, and Ulchi. Next I merged the samples with samples from Tambets et al. 2018 (https://evolbio.ut.ee/Tambets2018/). I then did an ADMIXTURE run of the samples with two components. The list below shows the percentage of the East Eurasian component for Uralic populations, and also for a few Turkic populations that are probably mixed with Uralics:

    3 (2-4) Hungarian
    5 (1-8) Tambets_Estonians
    5 (3-9) Estonian
    8 (6-10) Tambets_Karels
    9 (6-12) Tambets_Ingrian
    9 (5-13) Tambets_Finns
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    26 (16-30) Chuvash
    27 (24-29) Besermyan
    30 (28-33) Udmurt
    31 (26-34) Tambets_Saami_SWE
    31 (31-31) Tambets_Maris
    35 (7-62) Tambets_Mansi
    36 (22-47) Bashkir
    54 (52-55) Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
    55 (48-59) Mansi
    59 (57-64) Tambets_Khanty
    68 (39-90) Selkup
    79 (73-82) Enets
    87 (42-94) Tofalar
    88 (81-95) Dolgan
    90 (89-90) Todzin
    99 (95-100) Nganasan

    The Mansi samples by Tambets range from 7% East Eurasian to 62% East Eurasian, so they're only 35% East Eurasian on average. The Bashkir samples from Jeong et al. have a range of 22% to 47%, because the northern Bashkir samples have much lower East Eurasian ancestry than the southern Bashkir samples.

    Full results:

     
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    3 (2-5) Jew_Georgian
    3 (2-5) Jew_Iranian
    4 (4-4) Kabardinian_outlier
    4 (2-5) Lebanese_Muslim
    4 (4-5) Abazin_outlier
    4 (3-6) Belarusian
    4 (4-4) Tambets_Swedes
    4 (3-6) Palestinian
    5 (2-8) Lebanese
    5 (1-8) Tambets_Estonians
    5 (4-5) Abkhasian
    5 (3-9) Estonian
    5 (3-8) Jordanian
    5 (0-8) Syrian
    5 (5-5) Avar_outlier2
    5 (5-5) Avar_outlier1
    6 (3-8) BedouinA
    6 (3-12) Tambets_Poles
    6 (5-8) Kubachinian
    6 (3-7) Kaitag
    6 (5-8) Ezid
    6 (4-9) Kurd
    7 (4-9) Tabasaran
    7 (5-8) Egyptian
    7 (6-8) Darginian
    7 (6-8) Lezgin
    7 (5-8) Libyan
    7 (3-13) Russian
    7 (4-9) Chechen
    7 (6-8) Avar
    7 (5-8) Lak
    7 (6-8) Tambets_Russians_Central
    7 (6-10) Mozabite
    8 (6-10) Tunisian
    8 (6-10) Tambets_Karels
    8 (5-12) Adygei
    8 (7-9) Algerian
    8 (5-11) Iranian
    8 (6-10) Ingushian
    8 (6-12) Moroccan
    9 (1-19) Turkish
    9 (6-12) Tambets_Ingrian
    9 (5-13) Tambets_Finns
    9 (4-11) Kumyk
    10 (7-12) Finnish
    10 (8-13) Azeri
    10 (6-13) Mordovian
    10 (7-13) Ossetian
    11 (8-13) Circassian
    11 (7-14) Karelian
    11 (10-12) Russian_Archangelsk_Krasnoborsky
    11 (9-13) Balkar
    11 (9-14) Karachai
    12 (9-17) Kabardinian
    12 (11-13) Tambets_Vepsas
    12 (11-13) Veps
    12 (10-15) Abazin
    14 (12-15) Russian_Archangelsk_Pinezhsky
    16 (13-21) Balochi
    16 (14-21) Brahui
    17 (16-18) Turkish_Balikesir
    17 (15-18) Russian_Archangelsk_Leshukonsky
    18 (17-21) Tatar_Mishar
    19 (18-21) Kalash
    21 (17-25) Pathan
    22 (15-28) Tajik
    22 (15-27) Tambets_Saami_Kola
    22 (17-27) Tambets_Tatars
    23 (21-25) Tatar_Kazan
    26 (26-26) Turkmen_outlier
    26 (16-30) Chuvash
    27 (24-29) Besermyan
    27 (21-36) Nogai_Karachay_Cherkessia
    30 (28-33) Udmurt
    30 (28-33) Burusho
    31 (26-34) Tambets_Saami_SWE
    31 (31-31) Tambets_Maris
    35 (29-38) Punjabi
    35 (7-62) Tambets_Mansi
    36 (22-47) Bashkir
    36 (10-59) Aleut
    37 (32-48) Turkmen
    41 (20-56) Uzbek
    47 (33-61) Tlingit
    50 (42-56) Tatar_Siberian
    50 (37-60) Nogai_Stavropol
    50 (45-56) Yukagir_Forest
    50 (50-50) Tambets_Buryats
    54 (52-55) Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
    55 (48-59) Mansi
    56 (54-58) Nogai_Astrakhan
    56 (48-67) Uyghur
    56 (53-58) Hazara
    57 (50-64) Karakalpak
    59 (46-66) Altaian_Chelkan
    59 (57-64) Tambets_Khanty
    62 (62-62) Khakass_outlier
    63 (58-67) Tubalar
    64 (63-66) Shor_Mountain
    65 (61-70) Kazakh
    66 (62-68) Shor_Khakassia
    68 (65-70) Kyrgyz_Tajikistan
    68 (39-90) Selkup
    69 (54-79) Khakass
    70 (61-75) Kyrgyz_China
    70 (35-98) Even
    71 (66-74) Kyrgyz_Kyrgyzstan
    71 (65-74) Ket
    74 (67-82) Kazakh_China
    76 (71-79) Khakass_Kachin
    76 (73-80) Altaian
    79 (73-82) Enets
    83 (81-86) Kalmyk
    85 (66-100) Evenk_FarEast
    85 (81-89) Tuvinian
    86 (84-89) Salar
    87 (42-94) Tofalar
    88 (83-92) Mongol
    88 (86-93) Dongxiang
    88 (81-95) Dolgan
    88 (79-92) Buryat
    89 (85-92) Dungan
    90 (89-90) Todzin
    91 (85-95) Yakut
    91 (86-93) Khamnegan
    92 (87-97) Bonan
    94 (92-96) Tu
    96 (89-100) Yugur
    96 (92-100) Yukagir_Tundra
    96 (91-100) Evenk_Transbaikal
    96 (90-100) Tibetan
    96 (95-97) Mongola
    97 (94-99) Xibo
    98 (96-99) Daur
    99 (95-100) Nganasan
    99 (95-100) Oroqen
    99 (97-100) Hezhen
    100 (98-100) Qiang
    100 (97-100) Han
    100 (100-100) Japanese
    100 (100-100) Korean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nganasankhan View Post
    I selected modern samples from 1240K+HO with longitude over -30 and latitude over 30, and with no suffix like .SG or .DG. I excluded Chukchi, Eskimo, Itelmen, Koryak, Nanai, Negidal, Nivh, and Ulchi. Next I merged the samples with samples from Tambets et al. 2018 (https://evolbio.ut.ee/Tambets2018/). I then did an ADMIXTURE run of the samples with two components. The list below shows the percentage of the East Eurasian component for Uralic populations, and also for a few Turkic populations that are probably mixed with Uralics:

    3 (2-4) Hungarian
    5 (1-8) Tambets_Estonians
    5 (3-9) Estonian
    8 (6-10) Tambets_Karels
    9 (6-12) Tambets_Ingrian
    9 (5-13) Tambets_Finns
    10 (7-12) Finnish
    10 (6-13) Mordovian
    11 (7-14) Karelian
    12 (11-13) Tambets_Vepsas
    12 (11-13) Veps
    22 (15-27) Tambets_Saami_Kola
    22 (17-27) Tambets_Tatars
    26 (16-30) Chuvash
    27 (24-29) Besermyan
    30 (28-33) Udmurt
    31 (26-34) Tambets_Saami_SWE
    31 (31-31) Tambets_Maris
    35 (7-62) Tambets_Mansi
    36 (22-47) Bashkir
    54 (52-55) Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
    55 (48-59) Mansi
    59 (57-64) Tambets_Khanty
    68 (39-90) Selkup
    79 (73-82) Enets
    87 (42-94) Tofalar
    88 (81-95) Dolgan
    90 (89-90) Todzin
    99 (95-100) Nganasan

    The Mansi samples by Tambets range from 7% East Eurasian to 62% East Eurasian, so they're only 35% East Eurasian on average. The Bashkir samples from Jeong et al. have a range of 22% to 47%, because the northern Bashkir samples have much lower East Eurasian ancestry than the southern Bashkir samples.

    Full results:

     
    0 (0-0) Sardinian
    0 (0-1) Basque
    0 (0-1) Spanish_North
    0 (0-2) Italian_North
    1 (0-3) Spanish
    1 (1-1) Tambets_Germans
    1 (0-2) Italian_South
    1 (0-2) Sicilian
    1 (0-2) English
    1 (0-3) French
    1 (0-3) Greek
    1 (1-2) Cypriot
    2 (1-3) Orcadian
    2 (0-3) Icelandic
    2 (1-3) Croatian
    2 (1-3) Maltese
    2 (1-2) Jew_Turkish
    2 (1-3) Albanian
    2 (1-4) Bulgarian
    2 (1-3) Lebanese_Christian
    2 (1-3) Scottish
    2 (1-4) Czech
    2 (0-4) Norwegian
    2 (1-3) Jew_Moroccan
    2 (0-4) Romanian
    2 (1-3) Jew_Libyan
    2 (1-4) Jew_Tunisian
    2 (1-3) Armenian_Hemsheni
    2 (0-4) Armenian
    2 (2-2) Tambets_Gagauzes
    2 (2-3) Jew_Iraqi
    2 (1-4) Druze
    2 (0-4) Jew_Ashkenazi
    2 (2-2) Tambets_Latvians
    2 (1-4) Moldavian
    3 (0-8) Georgian
    3 (1-4) Gagauz
    3 (2-4) Lithuanian
    3 (2-4) Hungarian
    3 (1-4) BedouinB
    3 (1-6) Assyrian
    3 (1-5) Ukrainian_North
    3 (1-4) Ukrainian
    3 (2-5) Jew_Georgian
    3 (2-5) Jew_Iranian
    4 (4-4) Kabardinian_outlier
    4 (2-5) Lebanese_Muslim
    4 (4-5) Abazin_outlier
    4 (3-6) Belarusian
    4 (4-4) Tambets_Swedes
    4 (3-6) Palestinian
    5 (2-8) Lebanese
    5 (1-8) Tambets_Estonians
    5 (4-5) Abkhasian
    5 (3-9) Estonian
    5 (3-8) Jordanian
    5 (0-8) Syrian
    5 (5-5) Avar_outlier2
    5 (5-5) Avar_outlier1
    6 (3-8) BedouinA
    6 (3-12) Tambets_Poles
    6 (5-8) Kubachinian
    6 (3-7) Kaitag
    6 (5-8) Ezid
    6 (4-9) Kurd
    7 (4-9) Tabasaran
    7 (5-8) Egyptian
    7 (6-8) Darginian
    7 (6-8) Lezgin
    7 (5-8) Libyan
    7 (3-13) Russian
    7 (4-9) Chechen
    7 (6-8) Avar
    7 (5-8) Lak
    7 (6-8) Tambets_Russians_Central
    7 (6-10) Mozabite
    8 (6-10) Tunisian
    8 (6-10) Tambets_Karels
    8 (5-12) Adygei
    8 (7-9) Algerian
    8 (5-11) Iranian
    8 (6-10) Ingushian
    8 (6-12) Moroccan
    9 (1-19) Turkish
    9 (6-12) Tambets_Ingrian
    9 (5-13) Tambets_Finns
    9 (4-11) Kumyk
    10 (7-12) Finnish
    10 (8-13) Azeri
    10 (6-13) Mordovian
    10 (7-13) Ossetian
    11 (8-13) Circassian
    11 (7-14) Karelian
    11 (10-12) Russian_Archangelsk_Krasnoborsky
    11 (9-13) Balkar
    11 (9-14) Karachai
    12 (9-17) Kabardinian
    12 (11-13) Tambets_Vepsas
    12 (11-13) Veps
    12 (10-15) Abazin
    14 (12-15) Russian_Archangelsk_Pinezhsky
    16 (13-21) Balochi
    16 (14-21) Brahui
    17 (16-18) Turkish_Balikesir
    17 (15-18) Russian_Archangelsk_Leshukonsky
    18 (17-21) Tatar_Mishar
    19 (18-21) Kalash
    21 (17-25) Pathan
    22 (15-28) Tajik
    22 (15-27) Tambets_Saami_Kola
    22 (17-27) Tambets_Tatars
    23 (21-25) Tatar_Kazan
    26 (26-26) Turkmen_outlier
    26 (16-30) Chuvash
    27 (24-29) Besermyan
    27 (21-36) Nogai_Karachay_Cherkessia
    30 (28-33) Udmurt
    30 (28-33) Burusho
    31 (26-34) Tambets_Saami_SWE
    31 (31-31) Tambets_Maris
    35 (29-38) Punjabi
    35 (7-62) Tambets_Mansi
    36 (22-47) Bashkir
    36 (10-59) Aleut
    37 (32-48) Turkmen
    41 (20-56) Uzbek
    47 (33-61) Tlingit
    50 (42-56) Tatar_Siberian
    50 (37-60) Nogai_Stavropol
    50 (45-56) Yukagir_Forest
    50 (50-50) Tambets_Buryats
    54 (52-55) Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
    55 (48-59) Mansi
    56 (54-58) Nogai_Astrakhan
    56 (48-67) Uyghur
    56 (53-58) Hazara
    57 (50-64) Karakalpak
    59 (46-66) Altaian_Chelkan
    59 (57-64) Tambets_Khanty
    62 (62-62) Khakass_outlier
    63 (58-67) Tubalar
    64 (63-66) Shor_Mountain
    65 (61-70) Kazakh
    66 (62-68) Shor_Khakassia
    68 (65-70) Kyrgyz_Tajikistan
    68 (39-90) Selkup
    69 (54-79) Khakass
    70 (61-75) Kyrgyz_China
    70 (35-98) Even
    71 (66-74) Kyrgyz_Kyrgyzstan
    71 (65-74) Ket
    74 (67-82) Kazakh_China
    76 (71-79) Khakass_Kachin
    76 (73-80) Altaian
    79 (73-82) Enets
    83 (81-86) Kalmyk
    85 (66-100) Evenk_FarEast
    85 (81-89) Tuvinian
    86 (84-89) Salar
    87 (42-94) Tofalar
    88 (83-92) Mongol
    88 (86-93) Dongxiang
    88 (81-95) Dolgan
    88 (79-92) Buryat
    89 (85-92) Dungan
    90 (89-90) Todzin
    91 (85-95) Yakut
    91 (86-93) Khamnegan
    92 (87-97) Bonan
    94 (92-96) Tu
    96 (89-100) Yugur
    96 (92-100) Yukagir_Tundra
    96 (91-100) Evenk_Transbaikal
    96 (90-100) Tibetan
    96 (95-97) Mongola
    97 (94-99) Xibo
    98 (96-99) Daur
    99 (95-100) Nganasan
    99 (95-100) Oroqen
    99 (97-100) Hezhen
    100 (98-100) Qiang
    100 (97-100) Han
    100 (100-100) Japanese
    100 (100-100) Korean
    Am surprised the Maris in that run are only 31% Eastern Eurasian/ENA (Eastern Non-African) and that even Udmurts can score even slightly more Eastern Eurasian than Maris here.

    Because in G25, Maris can even be up close to 35% depending on the samples/calculators used while it seems Udmurts in G25 are less ENA than in this run:

    Mari average: I use the Davidski Global Standard calculator but add the Sintashta, KAZ_Maitan_Alakul (Steppe), Baltic_LTU_BA/EST_BA into the run:

    Target: Mari
    Distance: 8.8936% / 0.08893626
    40.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
    32.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    24.0 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    2.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    0.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

    Most Eastern-shifted Maris:


    Target: Mari:mari1
    Distance: 8.6989% / 0.08698884
    38.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
    33.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    22.4 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    5.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


    Target: Mari:mari3
    Distance: 8.8181% / 0.08818085
    41.4 Baltic_LTU_BA
    32.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    23.8 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    2.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

    Compare to the Udmurts on G25:

    Udmurt Average:

    Target: Udmurt
    Distance: 2.9797% / 0.02979689
    26.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    23.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    23.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    15.0 Baltic_LTU_BA
    9.8 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    1.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    1.0 Baltic_EST_BA
    0.2 Levant_PPNB

    Most Eastern-shifted Udmurts:

    Target: Udmurt:udmurd8
    Distance: 3.2481% / 0.03248071
    28.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    21.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    20.4 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    17.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    11.6 Baltic_LTU_BA
    1.0 Levant_PPNB
    0.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

    Target: Udmurt:153_R02C01
    Distance: 4.8473% / 0.04847300
    29.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
    28.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    23.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    9.6 KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul
    9.0 Baltic_LTU_BA

    If we utilize G25 as the base, its a bit puzzling how the Udmurts in the 1240K run have higher Eastern Eurasian range (28-33%) compare to the Maris (31-31%) when in G25 its the reverse.

    Also this qpAdm data showing Mari to be more ENA:

    Udmurt
    Nganasan: 0.3070.007
    Estonia_MN_CCC: 0.1500.033
    Latvia_LN_CordedWare: 0.3870.045
    Ukraine_Globular_Amphora: 0.1550.029
    tail: 0.099657
    chisq: 15.999
    Udmurt_1.txt

    Mari
    Nganasan: 0.3440.013
    Estonia_MN_CCC: 0.1530.052
    Latvia_LN_CordedWare: 0.2800.078
    Ukraine_Globular_Amphora: 0.2230.049
    tail: 0.119238
    chisq: 15.367
    Mari_1.txt

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