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    the kerala r1b is reportedly a nair....however efforts at contacting him have failed...but the group admin says it is possibly a "colonial" period introduction- read- western european...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    FTDNA Tested R-M269: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ion=ycolorized
    69058 Saad-Ullah Khan - Awan R1b1a2
    12 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 12 13 14 28 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15-15-16-18
    69060 Sultan Mohammed Khan Tanoli R1b1a2
    12 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 13 13 14 28 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 30 14-15-16-18
    69057 Tanoli R1b1a2
    12 24 14 11 11-15 12 12 13 13 14 28 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 30 14-15-16-18
    216616 Tanoli R1b1a2
    12 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 12 13 14 28
    69056 Tanoli L-M20 12 22 16 10 9-16 1112 1313 14 29 19 9-9 1113 26 1619 29 15-15-15-16
    69061 Manghi Khan-Awan L-M20 12 23 16 10 9-15 11 12 14 13 14 29 17 9-9 11 13 27 15 19 28 15-16-16-16

    There is this one 'non-peer-reviewed' thesis work, "Genetic Analysis of the Major Tribes of Buner and Swabi Areas through Dental Morphology and DNA Analysis" by Muhammad Tariq, showing higher R1b haplogroups in Tanolis. But even in this sample population of Tanolis, second highest Haplogroup is R-M17.
    "Genetic variations in the non-recombining segment of the Y-chromosome
    (NRY) were characterized using 32 binary markers and 19 short tandem
    repeats (STRs). These markers yielded 11 haplogroups across the five
    population samples. The majority of the Y-chromosomes were found to
    belong to haplogroups R1a1a (50%), R1b1a (17.4%) and O3 (13.86%). Highest
    frequencies of haplogroup R1a1a-M17 were found among the Syed samples
    (89.15%), while lowest frequencies occurred among the Jadoons (5.26%).
    Western Eurasian haplogroup R1b1a-M297 was only found among the Tanoli
    males included in the study, while Jadoon Y-chromosomes were
    predominantly of haplogroup O3 (76.32%)." Interestingly, they also conclude, "While members of these ethnic groups tended to show relatively close affinities to other self-identifying
    members of that ethnic group, regardless of sampling locality,this was not
    true for Tanolis, for the sample from Mansehra District exhibits no affinities to
    the sample of Tanolis from Swabi District (TANsb).
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    Base type seen in East Europe/Armenia/Turki/Jews L23 most likely Z2103 branch (maybe Z2110 cf. HGDP00234)
    12 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 12 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 31 14 15 16 18

    Tanoli
    12 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 13 13 14 28 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 14 15 16 18
    12 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 13 13 14 28 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 14 15 16 18

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    One of my 23andMe relatives has R-P25_1, which I suspect is an R1b.

    His paternal grandfather's birthplace is given as Uttar Pradesh. The rest of his grandparents were born in Hyderabad. Suspect that his family claims a Syed line.

    jawadali1.PNG

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    Quote Originally Posted by vishankar View Post
    the kerala r1b is reportedly a nair....however efforts at contacting him have failed...but the group admin says it is possibly a "colonial" period introduction- read- western european...
    The Wiki page for Y lineages across South Asia lists R1b prevalent across a few groups, including the Chenchu and the Lambadi. It is also present among the Gujaratis, Bengalis and some 'Bhargavas'. And it is quite high among the Hazaras and also the Uzbeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vishankar View Post
    the kerala r1b is reportedly a nair....however efforts at contacting him have failed...but the group admin says it is possibly a "colonial" period introduction- read- western european...
    There are 2 R1b tested Syrian Christians. Both are R1b-Z2103. So possibly not of colonial origins but rather came along with R1a-Z93. The Madhavan kit is not tested further. So he might also be Z2103 and not a western European subclade.
     

    My ancestral ydna haplogroups

    My Y-Line - R1a-Z93+L657+ Y7+
    Maternal Grandfather's Y-Line - L1a2-M357
    Paternal GM's family Y-Line - C1b-P92+ K96+
    Maternal GM's family Y-Line - J2a1-L26(M47- M67- M68- L24-)

    Ydna haplogroups of my ftdna family finder matches

    Second-Fourth Cousins
    R1a-Z93+ Y40+
    R1a-M17(not further tested)
    R2a-M124+ L295-(2)
    Q1a-L56+ Y2659+ Z5902+

    Third-Fifth Cousins
    R1a-M17(3)(Not further tested)
    J2b2-M241
    L1a1-M27+
    F-M89(possibly H3?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    One of my 23andMe relatives has R-P25_1, which I suspect is an R1b.

    His paternal grandfather's birthplace is given as Uttar Pradesh. The rest of his grandparents were born in Hyderabad. Suspect that his family claims a Syed line.

    jawadali1.PNG
    Which version of 23andme for the 'relative?'
    We have Raza from Banaras who is a near basal R1b split.

    267597 Raza Varanasi R1b R-M343 P25+
    Bhutan bhu 0984 - R1b
    N93357 Joshi R-M343 P25+
    eb-gs000020407 Tajik1
    There were some P25+M269- samples from Bali Indonesia too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMG View Post
    There are 2 R1b tested Syrian Christians. Both are R1b-Z2103. So possibly not of colonial origins but rather came along with R1a-Z93. The Madhavan kit is not tested further. So he might also be Z2103 and not a western European subclade.
    could R1b-Z2103 part of Indo-greeks/Thracian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Which version of 23andme for the 'relative?'
    We have Raza from Banaras who is a near basal R1b split.

    267597 Raza Varanasi R1b R-M343 P25+
    Bhutan bhu 0984 - R1b
    N93357 Joshi R-M343 P25+
    eb-gs000020407 Tajik1
    There were some P25+M269- samples from Bali Indonesia too.
    Likely v4, sent him a sharing invite, but he hasn't responded just yet.

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    Surname Joshi. His result seems to just be R on 23andMe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMG View Post
    There are 2 R1b tested Syrian Christians. Both are R1b-Z2103. So possibly not of colonial origins but rather came along with R1a-Z93. The Madhavan kit is not tested further. So he might also be Z2103 and not a western European subclade.
    yeah ..true...i got the info from the kerala y dna project administrator....but no progress in contacting mr madhavan on ft tree dna or through the group....

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