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Thread: Italic VS Greek admixture in modern Itallians

  1. #1
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    Italic VS Greek admixture in modern Itallians

    Code:
    Italic:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b,0.12862,0.145221,0.04714,0.005491,0.046162,0.00251,-0.00282,0.002769,0.021475,0.039727,-0.002923,0.012289,-0.021407,-0.016239,0.012622,0.000398,-0.003129,0.003421,0.00176,-0.001251,0.004492,0.003586,-0.00456,-0.003976,0.000239
    Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016,0.127482,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
    Italic:ITA_Etruscan:RMPR473,0.127482,0.158423,0.035072,-0.020672,0.046778,-0.005299,0.00094,-0.000923,0.024952,0.03991,-0.002598,0.013188,-0.018434,-0.006606,-0.00665,-0.018828,-0.011865,0.003294,0.01081,0.00025,-0.001747,-0.000495,-0.000986,-0.000361,-0.003592
    Italic:ITA_Etruscan:RMPR474b,0.126344,0.149283,0.034318,-0.007752,0.036622,-0.005299,0.003995,-0.004615,0.014726,0.028793,-0.002111,0.015286,-0.01115,-0.002064,-0.00285,0.003182,0.006258,0.007221,0.012318,-0.002626,-0.003369,0.008037,0.000863,-0.000482,-0.001796
    Italic:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021,0.126344,0.152329,0.034318,-0.014535,0.054164,-0.01506,-0.001175,0.005307,0.019634,0.041914,0.005196,0.01079,-0.011001,-0.005643,0.004479,-0.016441,-0.010822,-0.001394,0.006662,-0.01113,0.007736,0.007172,-0.007641,-0.00241,0.008981
    Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851,0.133173,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
    Ancient_Greek::Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208,0.1161,0.158423,-0.017348,-0.06783,0.026774,-0.032351,-0.00282,-0.001154,0.007158,0.04319,0.003573,0.015586,-0.017096,0.006468,-0.016965,-0.02559,-0.007693,-0.000253,0.00993,-0.017133,-0.003494,0.000866,0.005053,0.00241,-0.010538
    Ancient_Greek:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215,0.120652,0.158423,-0.000754,-0.066215,0.023697,-0.023427,0.00611,-0.009,0.002659,0.041914,0.002111,0.006894,-0.01665,0.000688,-0.020087,-0.005967,0.014864,0.001014,-0.000754,-0.008254,-0.013102,0.002226,-0.001725,0.011809,-0.006466
    Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9006,0.119514,0.160454,-0.006788,-0.068476,0.014464,-0.03514,-0.003055,-0.006923,-0.002863,0.050115,0.004384,0.015137,-0.009366,0.00289,-0.019815,-0.005304,0.024643,0.007601,0.020992,-0.000375,-0.007487,-0.012365,-0.010969,-0.000602,-0.001796
    Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9010,0.110408,0.160454,-0.015462,-0.071383,0.029544,-0.038487,-0.003525,0.004154,0.013499,0.056129,0.018025,0.017235,-0.00223,-0.00234,-0.023208,-0.005038,0.031553,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004002,-0.006613,0.003215,-0.016145,-0.007109,-0.003113
    Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033,0.091058,0.150298,-0.004148,-0.050388,0.022773,-0.013387,0.007285,-0.006692,0.003068,0.041003,-0.003573,0.019333,-0.020218,0.005505,-0.006515,-0.026518,0.00678,-0.003167,0.012193,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.006306,-0.000616,0.005904,0.006945
    Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9041,0.110408,0.15436,-0.006034,-0.068476,0.020004,-0.021475,-0.00282,0.000923,0.007976,0.042097,0.003248,0.016036,-0.019326,-0.008533,-0.016015,-0.002387,0.021122,0.006588,0.010182,-0.002876,-0.006364,0.016199,0.001356,0.006386,-0.00491


    Did a run with all Tuscan samples. I did not use Germanic samples because of calculator effect. Most samples got majority Greek + around 25% Germanic.
    That is not realistic. I choosed Tuscans because they are typical central Italians.

    Target: Italian_UmbriaG03
    Distance: 2.9352% / 0.02935174
    55.4 Ancient_Greek
    44.6 Italic
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:VO65
    Distance: 2.5105% / 0.02510517
    59.4 Italic
    40.6 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:VO59
    Distance: 4.0033% / 0.04003316
    76.2 Italic
    23.8 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:VO109
    Distance: 2.8922% / 0.02892183
    65.2 Italic
    34.8 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany98
    Distance: 2.3251% / 0.02325120
    62.6 Italic
    37.4 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany93
    Distance: 3.2041% / 0.03204081
    66.6 Italic
    33.4 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany74
    Distance: 3.0558% / 0.03055845
    63.8 Italic
    36.2 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany54
    Distance: 2.8940% / 0.02894000
    69.2 Italic
    30.8 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany38
    Distance: 2.8824% / 0.02882427
    60.4 Italic
    39.6 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany27
    Distance: 2.2141% / 0.02214075
    57.0 Italic
    43.0 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:NA20508
    Distance: 3.3106% / 0.03310583
    61.4 Italic
    38.6 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:NA20506
    Distance: 3.2415% / 0.03241459
    59.4 Italic
    40.6 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:NA20505
    Distance: 2.3985% / 0.02398510
    60.0 Italic
    40.0 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:NA20504
    Distance: 3.4881% / 0.03488140
    69.0 Italic
    31.0 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:NA20502
    Distance: 2.5399% / 0.02539938
    67.0 Italic
    33.0 Ancient_Greek
    Target: Italian_Tuscany:MURLO114
    Distance: 2.0509% / 0.02050880
    62.2 Italic
    37.8 Ancient_Greek

    Any ideas of more relevant samples to use?

    I know there is some Germanic admixture in North and central Italians but using DEU_MA gives unrealistic results.

    I would be happy for inputs.

    The Italian peninsula were probably most Italic in early Roman times with some Greek settlement in the southern parts. But there were Italic tribes even in south Italy.

    Later a influx of most ethnic Greeks migrated to Italy from Greece and West Anatolia. In the Roman period there were a Germanic Influx until early medieval times.

    However the Germanic haplogroups in North and Central Italy are few and I personally don't believe that it changed much of the autosomal either.
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    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

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    myself

    Target: Vettor_scaled
    Distance: 3.4624% / 0.03462406
    93.8 Italic
    6.2 Ancient_Greek



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uqmDAiZ3HQ
    Last edited by vettor; 01-23-2021 at 10:40 PM.


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483 )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-Y33791 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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    Albanian. Just ran it for fun.

    Target: Korabi
    Distance: 3.5330% / 0.03532970
    60.4 Italic
    39.6 Ancient_Greek

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    I got bored so I joined in added some samples

    Distance: 3.4602% / 0.03460186
    56.8 Ancient_Greek
    32.2 MAR_Taforalt
    11.0 West_African
    My results:
    Distance: 3.5693% / 0.03569309
    33.2 Early_European_Farmer
    24.8 Iberomaurusian
    17.6 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    11.0 Africa_Mesolithic
    6.8 Iran_Neolithic
    6.6 Steppe_Pastoralist

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    Spain Basque Andalucia
    3 Spanish, without adding any reference to sources.

    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 2.2468% / 0.02246786

    98.0 Italic
    2.0 Ancient_Greek

    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 2.2468% / 0.02246786

    81.4 Italic:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b
    12.8 Italic:ITA_Etruscan:RMPR474b
    3.8 Italic:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021
    2.0 Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033
    ***********************************************
    Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
    Distance: 2.6002% / 0.02600235

    80.0 Italic
    20.0 Ancient_Greek

    Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
    Distance: 2.6002% / 0.02600235

    70.6 Italic:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b
    13.2 Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033
    6.8 Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9010
    6.0 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851
    3.4 Italic:ITA_Etruscan:RMPR473
    ******************************************
    Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
    Distance: 2.5761% / 0.02576107

    100.0 Italic

    Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
    Distance: 2.5761% / 0.02576107

    84.6 Italic:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b
    15.4 Italic:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021

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    Target: Grabovio_scaled
    Distance: 4.0022% / 0.04002157
    100.0 Italic


    Not realistic for n. Italy, note the distance when I add Langobard and Rome Late Antiquity invader (R31, R33, R105, R106, R108, R109, R110) average :


    Target: Grabovio_scaled
    Distance: 3.1614% / 0.03161393
    75.8 Rome_LA_invader
    11.2 Italic
    8.4 Ancient_Greek
    4.6 ITA_Collegno_MA


    I also tried including Late Antiquity roman profile (+ medieval slavs for excess baltic drift) but the algorithm seems partial to greek-byzantine type of source in my case - not sure why :


    Target: Grabovio_scaled
    Distance: 3.0371% / 0.03037142
    49.4 Rome_LA_invader
    17.4 Italic
    13.8 Ancient_Greek
    13.2 Slavic_MA
    4.2 ITA_Collegno_MA
    2.0 ITA_Collegno_MA_o1


     
    Code:
    Italic:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b,0.12862,0.145221,0.04714,0.005491,0.046162,0.00251,-0.00282,0.002769,0.021475,0.039727,-0.002923,0.012289,-0.021407,-0.016239,0.012622,0.000398,-0.003129,0.003421,0.00176,-0.001251,0.004492,0.003586,-0.00456,-0.003976,0.000239
    Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016,0.127482,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
    Italic:ITA_Etruscan:RMPR473,0.127482,0.158423,0.035072,-0.020672,0.046778,-0.005299,0.00094,-0.000923,0.024952,0.03991,-0.002598,0.013188,-0.018434,-0.006606,-0.00665,-0.018828,-0.011865,0.003294,0.01081,0.00025,-0.001747,-0.000495,-0.000986,-0.000361,-0.003592
    Italic:ITA_Etruscan:RMPR474b,0.126344,0.149283,0.034318,-0.007752,0.036622,-0.005299,0.003995,-0.004615,0.014726,0.028793,-0.002111,0.015286,-0.01115,-0.002064,-0.00285,0.003182,0.006258,0.007221,0.012318,-0.002626,-0.003369,0.008037,0.000863,-0.000482,-0.001796
    Italic:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021,0.126344,0.152329,0.034318,-0.014535,0.054164,-0.01506,-0.001175,0.005307,0.019634,0.041914,0.005196,0.01079,-0.011001,-0.005643,0.004479,-0.016441,-0.010822,-0.001394,0.006662,-0.01113,0.007736,0.007172,-0.007641,-0.00241,0.008981
    Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851,0.133173,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
    Ancient_Greek::Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208,0.1161,0.158423,-0.017348,-0.06783,0.026774,-0.032351,-0.00282,-0.001154,0.007158,0.04319,0.003573,0.015586,-0.017096,0.006468,-0.016965,-0.02559,-0.007693,-0.000253,0.00993,-0.017133,-0.003494,0.000866,0.005053,0.00241,-0.010538
    Ancient_Greek:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215,0.120652,0.158423,-0.000754,-0.066215,0.023697,-0.023427,0.00611,-0.009,0.002659,0.041914,0.002111,0.006894,-0.01665,0.000688,-0.020087,-0.005967,0.014864,0.001014,-0.000754,-0.008254,-0.013102,0.002226,-0.001725,0.011809,-0.006466
    Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9006,0.119514,0.160454,-0.006788,-0.068476,0.014464,-0.03514,-0.003055,-0.006923,-0.002863,0.050115,0.004384,0.015137,-0.009366,0.00289,-0.019815,-0.005304,0.024643,0.007601,0.020992,-0.000375,-0.007487,-0.012365,-0.010969,-0.000602,-0.001796
    Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9010,0.110408,0.160454,-0.015462,-0.071383,0.029544,-0.038487,-0.003525,0.004154,0.013499,0.056129,0.018025,0.017235,-0.00223,-0.00234,-0.023208,-0.005038,0.031553,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004002,-0.006613,0.003215,-0.016145,-0.007109,-0.003113
    Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033,0.091058,0.150298,-0.004148,-0.050388,0.022773,-0.013387,0.007285,-0.006692,0.003068,0.041003,-0.003573,0.019333,-0.020218,0.005505,-0.006515,-0.026518,0.00678,-0.003167,0.012193,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.006306,-0.000616,0.005904,0.006945
    Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9041,0.110408,0.15436,-0.006034,-0.068476,0.020004,-0.021475,-0.00282,0.000923,0.007976,0.042097,0.003248,0.016036,-0.019326,-0.008533,-0.016015,-0.002387,0.021122,0.006588,0.010182,-0.002876,-0.006364,0.016199,0.001356,0.006386,-0.00491
    ITA_Collegno_MA,0.1274148,0.1402029,0.0478721,0.025156,0.0373462,0.0095972,0.0042715,0.0043165,0.004656,0.0081148,-0.0045372,0.0052717,-0.0124002,-0.0043554,0.0149372,-0.0001169,-0.0091959,0.0027648,0.0042073,0.0001986,0.0056958,0.0044151,-0.0017545,0.009016,0.0006479
    Rome_LA_invader,0.1263436,0.1428996,0.0406214,0.0083519,0.0396119,0.0003189,0.0011414,0.0031649,0.0118333,0.017755,0.0004176,0.0052026,-0.009047,-0.007176,0.0060879,0.0033337,0.0022167,0.0017374,0.0066979,0.0006611,0.002264,0.0046459,-0.0025353,0.0047683,-0.0025319
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    Slavic_MA:KRA011,0.125205,0.129988,0.078818,0.072675,0.047701,0.027889,0.013161,0.006692,0.005522,-0.020593,-0.00065,-0.009292,0.018583,0.027249,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.006389,0.00266,0.008045,0.002876,-0.011729,-0.008037,0.007272,-0.003494,0.003952
    Slavic_MA:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634

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    Not a very good fit for my parent, but in all fairness this test isn't created for them or their people.

    Target: Seabass_Mum_scaled
    Distance: 5.2861% / 0.05286095
    100.0 Ancient_Greek
    But if I add the following Levantine & Berber populations below, the fit significantly improves.

    Levantine:Levant_Ashkelon_IA2:ASH087,0.086506,0.13 3034,-0.060716,-0.106914,-0.024312,-0.047411,-0.007285,-0.013153,0.027406,0.023508,-0.005846,-0.008393,0.017691,0.001376,-0.010722,0.013922,0.005607,-0.003674,-0.004777,0.005002,-0.00025,0.001484,-0.008751,-0.003374,0.007424
    Levantine:Levant_Ashkelon_IA2:ASH135,0.069432,0.14 5221,-0.053174,-0.106591,-0.003693,-0.03263,-0.00047,-0.026307,0.016157,0.010205,0.011854,-0.004496,0.030624,-0.016652,-0.021987,0.009546,0.007953,-0.014442,-0.019232,0.00963,0.00574,0.007914,-0.005546,-0.01928,-0.002994
    Levantine:Levant_Ashkelon_IA2:ASH8,0.080814,0.1452 21,-0.066373,-0.101422,-0.021542,-0.029562,-0.003055,-0.012923,0.003272,0.002005,0.012179,-0.008393,0.019475,0.003303,0.001086,0.010872,-0.00339,0.001394,0.007668,-0.003627,0.006988,0.001731,0,0.000241,0.003473
    Berber:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun002,-0.050082,0.122879,-0.008297,-0.073321,0.022773,-0.04016,-0.029376,0.015922,0.07097,0.043919,0.009906,-0.007194,0.023934,-0.021744,0.020765,-0.009414,0.001956,-0.02065,-0.047011,0.010255,-0.008235,-0.045628,0.031551,0.007712,0.009819
    Berber:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun005,-0.01935,0.125926,0.004148,-0.056848,0.049855,-0.029841,-0.034782,0.005307,0.066675,0.028247,0.00406,-0.006894,0.016204,-0.015276,0.019544,0.001856,0.017993,-0.01761,-0.034567,0.018384,-0.0141,-0.025596,0.020706,-0.006145,-0.011376
    Berber:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun008,-0.027318,0.139128,0.000754,-0.068153,0.042162,-0.036256,-0.022561,0.005538,0.063811,0.030616,0.009256,-0.000749,0.015609,-0.015964,0.022937,-0.026385,-0.008605,-0.02027,-0.0406,0.007128,-0.016097,-0.028935,0.018734,0.002892,-0.000718
    Berber:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun011,-0.044391,0.131003,-0.00528,-0.066861,0.030775,-0.03765,-0.034077,0.008538,0.07281,0.027335,0.006658,-0.006894,0.02438,-0.009634,0.024701,-0.018297,-0.007823,-0.016976,-0.052416,0.008129,-0.019091,-0.045752,0.023047,-0.007832,0.013771
    Berber:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun012,-0.055773,0.138112,-0.003017,-0.078489,0.023081,-0.037929,-0.029141,0.006,0.080173,0.022597,0.007957,-0.008243,0.01115,-0.025873,0.028094,-0.012994,0.012386,-0.020524,-0.047011,0.008129,-0.009858,-0.04266,0.022308,-0.00253,0.011616
    I think 0.25 is the more realistic one.


    Target: Seabass_Mum_scaled
    Distance: 2.2039% / 0.02203908
    45.6 Levantine
    26.0 Italic
    22.4 Ancient_Greek
    6.0 Berber

    Target: Seabass_Mum_scaled
    Distance: 2.2179% / 0.02217861 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    44.0 Levantine
    27.4 Ancient_Greek
    22.8 Italic
    5.8 Berber
    Last edited by Seabass; 01-24-2021 at 12:28 PM.

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    Distance: 2.9306% / 0.02930635
    72.0 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    14.0 Ancient_Greek
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    is something missing in my case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grabovio View Post


    Not realistic for n. Italy, note the distance when I add Langobard and Rome Late Antiquity invader (R31, R33, R105, R106, R108, R109, R110) average :



    I also tried including Late Antiquity roman profile (+ medieval slavs for excess baltic drift) but the algorithm seems partial to greek-byzantine type of source in my case - not sure why :




     
    Code:
    Italic:ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b,0.12862,0.145221,0.04714,0.005491,0.046162,0.00251,-0.00282,0.002769,0.021475,0.039727,-0.002923,0.012289,-0.021407,-0.016239,0.012622,0.000398,-0.003129,0.003421,0.00176,-0.001251,0.004492,0.003586,-0.00456,-0.003976,0.000239
    Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016,0.127482,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
    Italic:ITA_Etruscan:RMPR473,0.127482,0.158423,0.035072,-0.020672,0.046778,-0.005299,0.00094,-0.000923,0.024952,0.03991,-0.002598,0.013188,-0.018434,-0.006606,-0.00665,-0.018828,-0.011865,0.003294,0.01081,0.00025,-0.001747,-0.000495,-0.000986,-0.000361,-0.003592
    Italic:ITA_Etruscan:RMPR474b,0.126344,0.149283,0.034318,-0.007752,0.036622,-0.005299,0.003995,-0.004615,0.014726,0.028793,-0.002111,0.015286,-0.01115,-0.002064,-0.00285,0.003182,0.006258,0.007221,0.012318,-0.002626,-0.003369,0.008037,0.000863,-0.000482,-0.001796
    Italic:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021,0.126344,0.152329,0.034318,-0.014535,0.054164,-0.01506,-0.001175,0.005307,0.019634,0.041914,0.005196,0.01079,-0.011001,-0.005643,0.004479,-0.016441,-0.010822,-0.001394,0.006662,-0.01113,0.007736,0.007172,-0.007641,-0.00241,0.008981
    Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851,0.133173,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
    Ancient_Greek::Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208,0.1161,0.158423,-0.017348,-0.06783,0.026774,-0.032351,-0.00282,-0.001154,0.007158,0.04319,0.003573,0.015586,-0.017096,0.006468,-0.016965,-0.02559,-0.007693,-0.000253,0.00993,-0.017133,-0.003494,0.000866,0.005053,0.00241,-0.010538
    Ancient_Greek:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215,0.120652,0.158423,-0.000754,-0.066215,0.023697,-0.023427,0.00611,-0.009,0.002659,0.041914,0.002111,0.006894,-0.01665,0.000688,-0.020087,-0.005967,0.014864,0.001014,-0.000754,-0.008254,-0.013102,0.002226,-0.001725,0.011809,-0.006466
    Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9006,0.119514,0.160454,-0.006788,-0.068476,0.014464,-0.03514,-0.003055,-0.006923,-0.002863,0.050115,0.004384,0.015137,-0.009366,0.00289,-0.019815,-0.005304,0.024643,0.007601,0.020992,-0.000375,-0.007487,-0.012365,-0.010969,-0.000602,-0.001796
    Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9010,0.110408,0.160454,-0.015462,-0.071383,0.029544,-0.038487,-0.003525,0.004154,0.013499,0.056129,0.018025,0.017235,-0.00223,-0.00234,-0.023208,-0.005038,0.031553,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004002,-0.006613,0.003215,-0.016145,-0.007109,-0.003113
    Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033,0.091058,0.150298,-0.004148,-0.050388,0.022773,-0.013387,0.007285,-0.006692,0.003068,0.041003,-0.003573,0.019333,-0.020218,0.005505,-0.006515,-0.026518,0.00678,-0.003167,0.012193,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.006306,-0.000616,0.005904,0.006945
    Ancient_Greek:GRC_Mycenaean:I9041,0.110408,0.15436,-0.006034,-0.068476,0.020004,-0.021475,-0.00282,0.000923,0.007976,0.042097,0.003248,0.016036,-0.019326,-0.008533,-0.016015,-0.002387,0.021122,0.006588,0.010182,-0.002876,-0.006364,0.016199,0.001356,0.006386,-0.00491
    ITA_Collegno_MA,0.1274148,0.1402029,0.0478721,0.025156,0.0373462,0.0095972,0.0042715,0.0043165,0.004656,0.0081148,-0.0045372,0.0052717,-0.0124002,-0.0043554,0.0149372,-0.0001169,-0.0091959,0.0027648,0.0042073,0.0001986,0.0056958,0.0044151,-0.0017545,0.009016,0.0006479
    Rome_LA_invader,0.1263436,0.1428996,0.0406214,0.0083519,0.0396119,0.0003189,0.0011414,0.0031649,0.0118333,0.017755,0.0004176,0.0052026,-0.009047,-0.007176,0.0060879,0.0033337,0.0022167,0.0017374,0.0066979,0.0006611,0.002264,0.0046459,-0.0025353,0.0047683,-0.0025319
    Rome_LA_local,0.1075294,0.1511944,-0.0086294,-0.045562,0.0173968,-0.0176358,-0.0011059,-0.0050631,0.0047161,0.0264349,0.0018052,0.0049544,-0.0080626,-0.0014329,-0.0089335,-0.0020669,0.0051387,0.0000448,0.0018634,-0.0023761,-0.0023342,0.0003565,-0.0002538,-0.0015948,-0.0007185
    Slavic_MA:KRA011,0.125205,0.129988,0.078818,0.072675,0.047701,0.027889,0.013161,0.006692,0.005522,-0.020593,-0.00065,-0.009292,0.018583,0.027249,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.006389,0.00266,0.008045,0.002876,-0.011729,-0.008037,0.007272,-0.003494,0.003952
    Slavic_MA:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 2.0470% / 0.02046985

    81.6 Italic
    7.8 Slavic_MA
    6.2 Rome_LA_local
    4.4 Ancient_Greek

    Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
    Distance: 2.5197% / 0.02519736

    72.0 Italic
    20.0 Ancient_Greek
    5.4 Slavic_MA
    2.6 Rome_LA_local

    Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
    Distance: 2.2069% / 0.02206905

    87.6 Italic
    10.0 Slavic_MA
    2.4 ITA_Collegno_MA

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    myself

    Target: Vettor_scaled
    Distance: 3.4624% / 0.03462406
    93.8 Italic
    6.2 Ancient_Greek



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uqmDAiZ3HQ
    Maybe we need some Slavic and Germanic component for North East Italians?
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    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
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