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Thread: Italic VS Greek admixture in modern Itallians

  1. #21
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    H1a1

    Sweden Italy Italy 1861-1946 Sami Vatican Italy Tuscany
    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    I don´t think your initial suggested model was bad, it works well to discriminate that two components, although the distances are large, it fulfilled its function well.

    And some Germanic for NE Italians could be OK, and Levantine for Southern Italians, I don´t think that NA would be necessary, NA makes Iberians get lower distances, but not so for Italians, (but could help for some of them too).

    In the end, a model for all Italians works for practically all Europeans.
    Thanks. The reason I did this calculator was to see the "native" vs huge Greek-speaking migration split that occurred during the Roman empire.

    My personal view is that the biggest cities in Rome were heavly effected by this migration. But that the country side and specially the Apennines were Italic for a long time.
    After the fall of Rome and depopulation of the biggest cities on the peninsula. Many of these migrants from East med died out and were replaced by Italic population from the countryside.

    Also of course some Germanic influx. Keep in mind also that North Italy was Celtic/Gaul in ancient times. We don't have Cisalpine gaul samples yet. So we don't know yet.
    Hidden Content

    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

  2. #22
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    Sweden Italy Italy 1861-1946 Sami Vatican Italy Tuscany
    I must say that this calculator from this thread: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....d-Western-Jews Is very good.

    If you remove Iberian component it gives good results for Italians.

    Made by Seabass.

    Code:
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    Levantine,0.085673808,0.147642462,-0.053841269,-0.09126,-0.012771538,-0.031503885,-0.004980192,-0.009168308,0.010792577,0.0112425,0.005390231,-0.006801731,0.014860385,-0.000142923,-0.009792808,0.007557577,0.003008962,-0.000521346,0.001198846,0.001183269,0.001209385,0. 005450231,-0.002915269,-0.001455231,-0.002196923
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    Medieval_Germanic,0.129947833,0.1311725,0.065619,0 .061962167,0.039289333,0.020777333,0.008186,0.0085 765,0.000750167,-0.006256833,-0.003680833,0.004046333,-0.0106045,-0.006078333,0.027325,-0.001082667,-0.012495,0.002428333,0.002178667,0.006878167,0.003 265,0.008428833,-0.001972,0.0151225,0.00004
    Early_Iberian,0.125106478,0.149900826,0.058338957, 0.00391813,0.063476652,-0.003055652,-0.002370522,0.002558478,0.033319565,0.05032087,-0.00398187,0.009930348,-0.023494957,-0.01565913,0.006154652,0.006790957,0.007772043,0.0 01239304,0.001284304,0.000478522,0.007806783,0.002 338739,-0.009645478,-0.01416113,-0.000197957
    Italic,0.127608556,0.150298556,0.035658889,-0.012776444,0.043119111,-0.006383444,0.001357778,0.000769222,0.020793333,0. 038006222,0.00083,0.012622111,-0.019375556,-0.007401111,-0.001085667,-0.001193222,0.003071222,0.003209444,0.007542,-0.003432222,-0.000138667,0.005028444,-0.002903222,-0.002155556,-0.000146444
    Silk_Road_Chinese,0.0156507,-0.438709,-0.046763,-0.0609662,0.1201762,0.0622622,0.00047,-0.0073845,-0.0189698,-0.013121,0.0109208,0.0020232,-0.000446,-0.006193,0.0012895,0.0045742,0.0061282,-0.0009502,-0.0043368,-0.011662,0.0121972,0.0090268,0.0149438,0.002892,0. 007095
    SSA,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
    East-African,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
    Hellenized_East-Mediterranean,0.108064971,0.150059382,-0.023614353,-0.057,0.004018735,-0.020416441,-0.000407794,-0.005246353,-0.003789676,0.020453353,0.003534382,0.002975324,-0.006562853,0.000283294,-0.010047382,-0.004238912,0.002830029,0.001322794,0.003197882,-0.004833206,-0.002470029,0.003124118,-0.001221588,0.000155971,0.000274735
    Egyptian,0.046477667,0.150298333,-0.047642833,-0.1088515,-0.001077167,-0.047086,-0.015040667,-0.004153833,0.043188667,0.005193667,0.010555167,-0.014661833,0.029434833,-0.001881,0.000588,-0.003889333,-0.009126667,-0.000570167,-0.004189833,0.00865,0.005823167,0.002226,-0.001746,0.004659,-0.0030335

    Target: Italian_Tuscany
    Distance: 0.6937% / 0.00693749 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    44.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    42.8 Italic
    10.6 Medieval_Germanic
    2.6 Medieval_Slav
    Target: Italian_Umbria
    Distance: 1.0704% / 0.01070418 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    53.8 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    36.2 Italic
    7.6 Medieval_Germanic
    2.4 Medieval_Slav
    Target: Italian_Veneto
    Distance: 0.7584% / 0.00758422 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    59.0 Italic
    23.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    11.8 Medieval_Slav
    6.0 Medieval_Germanic
    Target: Italian_Bergamo
    Distance: 1.1107% / 0.01110677 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    66.8 Italic
    20.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    8.2 Medieval_Germanic
    4.8 Medieval_Slav
    Target: Italian_Calabria
    Distance: 1.0632% / 0.01063215 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    79.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    12.0 Italic
    4.6 Berber
    4.4 Medieval_Slav
    Hidden Content

    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

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    There will be tremendous overfitting, most don't even make sense historically speaking.

    Source:
    Code:
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    Syrian_proxy_scaled,0.0919897,0.1485443,-0.0651733,-0.095432,-0.0144361,-0.0369149,-0.0034183,-0.0085171,0.0012643,0.0095922,0.0093005,-0.0033243,0.0091225,-3.75e-05,-0.0105985,0.0009522,-0.0016595,0.000691,0.0035425,-0.0003752,0.0012025,0.0049575,-0.0019272,-0.0025085,-0.0002941
    Slavic_proxy_scaled,0.133742,0.12948,0.073727,0.057494,0.0373915,0.029144,0.0094,0.007269,0.004295,-0.018224,-0.001543,-0.006369,0.0102575,0.017753,-0.0138435,0.0007295,0.0002605,0.0034205,0.0055305,0.001313,0,-0.002782,0.010846,-0.0069285,0.001736
    There will be tremendous overfitting, most don't even make sense historically speaking.

    2way

    Code:
    Target: Italian_Abruzzo
    Distance: 0.0149% / 0.01494907 | R2P
    55.9	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    44.1	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Aosta_Valley
    Distance: 0.0158% / 0.01575631 | R2P
    76.1	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    23.9	Greek_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Apulia
    Distance: 0.0164% / 0.01636917 | R2P
    60.2	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    39.8	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Basilicata
    Distance: 0.0168% / 0.01683030 | R2P
    61.3	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    38.7	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Bergamo
    Distance: 0.0139% / 0.01391101 | R2P
    60.0	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    40.0	Greek_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Calabria
    Distance: 0.0202% / 0.02020585 | R2P
    66.6	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    33.4	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Campania
    Distance: 0.0169% / 0.01694103 | R2P
    63.8	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    36.2	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Jew
    Distance: 0.0183% / 0.01825577 | R2P
    57.4	Levantine_proxy_scaled
    42.6	Italic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Lazio
    Distance: 0.0190% / 0.01899245 | R2P
    66.6	Italic_proxy_scaled
    33.4	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Liguria
    Distance: 0.0253% / 0.02526152 | R2P
    52.7	Greek_proxy_scaled
    47.3	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Lombardy
    Distance: 0.0181% / 0.01809507 | R2P
    57.7	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    42.3	Greek_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Marche
    Distance: 0.0150% / 0.01499623 | R2P
    51.7	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    48.3	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Molise
    Distance: 0.0148% / 0.01480639 | R2P
    55.5	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    44.5	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Northeast
    Distance: 0.0163% / 0.01634413 | R2P
    57.2	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    42.8	Greek_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Piedmont
    Distance: 0.0136% / 0.01362253 | R2P
    57.1	Greek_proxy_scaled
    42.9	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    Distance: 0.0118% / 0.01184481 | R2P
    67.6	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    32.4	Greek_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Tuscany
    Distance: 0.0125% / 0.01252801 | R2P
    58.0	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    42.0	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Umbria
    Distance: 0.0137% / 0.01368138 | R2P
    51.5	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    48.5	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Veneto
    Distance: 0.0129% / 0.01286622 | R2P
    64.0	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    36.0	Greek_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Maltese
    Distance: 0.0237% / 0.02371398 | R2P
    53.5	Levantine_proxy_scaled
    46.5	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Sicilian_East
    Distance: 0.0215% / 0.02146458 | R2P
    55.4	Italic_proxy_scaled
    44.6	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Sicilian_West
    Distance: 0.0201% / 0.02010962 | R2P
    52.8	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    47.2	Levantine_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Swiss_Italian
    Distance: 0.0178% / 0.01781184 | R2P
    55.1	Greek_proxy_scaled
    44.9	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    3way

    Code:
    Target: Italian_Abruzzo
    Distance: 0.0101% / 0.01005138 | R3P
    42.0	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    32.6	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    25.4	Greek_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Aosta_Valley
    Distance: 0.0146% / 0.01461608 | R3P
    53.2	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    28.3	Greek_proxy_scaled
    18.5	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Apulia
    Distance: 0.0122% / 0.01223817 | R3P
    40.1	Greek_proxy_scaled
    31.2	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    28.7	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Basilicata
    Distance: 0.0113% / 0.01125120 | R3P
    38.7	Greek_proxy_scaled
    32.9	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    28.4	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Bergamo
    Distance: 0.0115% / 0.01145773 | R3P
    57.6	Italic_proxy_scaled
    23.6	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    18.8	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Calabria
    Distance: 0.0139% / 0.01389796 | R3P
    66.3	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    25.5	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    8.2	Berber_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Campania
    Distance: 0.0097% / 0.00968269 | R3P
    38.8	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    34.5	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    26.7	Greek_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Jew
    Distance: 0.0143% / 0.01426672 | R3P
    58.6	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    33.4	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    8.0	Berber_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Lazio
    Distance: 0.0125% / 0.01248388 | R3P
    42.6	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    32.7	Greek_proxy_scaled
    24.7	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Liguria
    Distance: 0.0221% / 0.02210119 | R3P
    48.3	Italic_proxy_scaled
    30.6	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    21.1	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Lombardy
    Distance: 0.0154% / 0.01542336 | R3P
    56.0	Italic_proxy_scaled
    22.6	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    21.4	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Marche
    Distance: 0.0106% / 0.01062163 | R3P
    47.6	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    28.2	Greek_proxy_scaled
    24.2	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Molise
    Distance: 0.0111% / 0.01110804 | R3P
    40.3	Greek_proxy_scaled
    32.6	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    27.1	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Northeast
    Distance: 0.0090% / 0.00901004 | R3P
    38.3	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    35.8	Greek_proxy_scaled
    25.9	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Piedmont
    Distance: 0.0093% / 0.00934096 | R3P
    39.5	Italic_proxy_scaled
    30.7	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    29.8	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    Distance: 0.0097% / 0.00970757 | R3P
    55.0	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    35.2	Greek_proxy_scaled
    9.8	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Tuscany
    Distance: 0.0074% / 0.00735109 | R3P
    51.8	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    32.4	Greek_proxy_scaled
    15.8	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Umbria
    Distance: 0.0101% / 0.01011375 | R3P
    45.5	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    34.2	Greek_proxy_scaled
    20.3	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Veneto
    Distance: 0.0087% / 0.00872783 | R3P
    46.3	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    40.0	Greek_proxy_scaled
    13.7	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Maltese
    Distance: 0.0141% / 0.01413148 | R3P
    55.8	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    28.2	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    16.0	Berber_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Sicilian_East
    Distance: 0.0155% / 0.01549071 | R3P
    48.3	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    35.1	Italic_proxy_scaled
    16.6	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Sicilian_West
    Distance: 0.0168% / 0.01681433 | R3P
    50.7	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    42.7	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    6.6	Berber_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Swiss_Italian
    Distance: 0.0154% / 0.01541590 | R3P
    34.6	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    33.8	Italic_proxy_scaled
    31.6	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    4way

    Code:
    Target: Italian_Abruzzo
    Distance: 0.0080% / 0.00802159 | R4P
    31.5	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    30.1	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    29.5	Greek_proxy_scaled
    8.9	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Aosta_Valley
    Distance: 0.0140% / 0.01402924 | R4P
    29.1	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    28.4	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    23.5	Greek_proxy_scaled
    19.0	Italic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Apulia
    Distance: 0.0097% / 0.00965828 | R4P
    33.8	Greek_proxy_scaled
    32.8	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    21.9	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    11.5	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Basilicata
    Distance: 0.0089% / 0.00893576 | R4P
    34.2	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    33.5	Greek_proxy_scaled
    19.6	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    12.7	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Bergamo
    Distance: 0.0109% / 0.01085137 | R4P
    58.1	Italic_proxy_scaled
    18.8	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    16.7	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    6.4	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Calabria
    Distance: 0.0121% / 0.01212866 | R4P
    64.0	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    16.1	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    12.8	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    7.1	Berber_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Campania
    Distance: 0.0086% / 0.00861672 | R4P
    38.0	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    29.6	Greek_proxy_scaled
    25.9	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    6.5	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Jew
    Distance: 0.0105% / 0.01051665 | R4P
    55.2	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    26.1	Italic_proxy_scaled
    10.5	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    8.2	Berber_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Lazio
    Distance: 0.0121% / 0.01206687 | R4P
    36.4	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    34.8	Greek_proxy_scaled
    24.1	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    4.7	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Liguria
    Distance: 0.0207% / 0.02068253 | R4P
    36.2	Italic_proxy_scaled
    35.0	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    24.6	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    4.2	Berber_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Lombardy
    Distance: 0.0153% / 0.01527578 | R4P
    57.5	Italic_proxy_scaled
    22.2	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    15.3	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    5.0	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Marche
    Distance: 0.0086% / 0.00859695 | R4P
    28.3	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    26.0	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    24.3	Greek_proxy_scaled
    21.4	Italic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Molise
    Distance: 0.0101% / 0.01010967 | R4P
    40.9	Greek_proxy_scaled
    26.9	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    24.3	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    7.9	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Northeast
    Distance: 0.0082% / 0.00821893 | R4P
    38.2	Greek_proxy_scaled
    25.3	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    22.5	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    14.0	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Piedmont
    Distance: 0.0084% / 0.00843841 | R4P
    32.9	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    28.8	Italic_proxy_scaled
    24.5	Greek_proxy_scaled
    13.8	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    Distance: 0.0079% / 0.00788019 | R4P
    53.9	Italic_proxy_scaled
    19.4	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    15.6	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    11.1	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Tuscany
    Distance: 0.0068% / 0.00680895 | R4P
    40.4	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    35.6	Greek_proxy_scaled
    15.0	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    9.0	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Umbria
    Distance: 0.0097% / 0.00970562 | R4P
    46.1	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    27.6	Greek_proxy_scaled
    13.8	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    12.5	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Italian_Veneto
    Distance: 0.0084% / 0.00839400 | R4P
    38.7	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    36.8	Greek_proxy_scaled
    15.2	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    9.3	Italic_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Maltese
    Distance: 0.0123% / 0.01225650 | R4P
    53.4	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    18.4	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    14.9	Berber_proxy_scaled
    13.3	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Sicilian_East
    Distance: 0.0135% / 0.01351883 | R4P
    60.3	Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    21.0	Germanic_proxy_scaled
    10.1	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    8.6	Berber_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Sicilian_West
    Distance: 0.0130% / 0.01302736 | R4P
    38.4	Syrian_proxy_scaled
    36.1	Italic_proxy_scaled
    18.2	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    7.3	Berber_proxy_scaled
    
    Target: Swiss_Italian
    Distance: 0.0131% / 0.01312753 | R4P
    42.7	Gaul_proxy_scaled
    33.3	Greek_proxy_scaled
    13.2	Slavic_proxy_scaled
    10.8	Levantine_proxy_scaled
    [1] "distance%=2.9299"

    Ajeje Brazorf

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  6. #24
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    Polish–LithuanianCommonwealth Bulgaria Byzantine Empire Russian Federation Israel Russia Imperial
    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    There will be tremendous overfitting, most don't even make sense historically speaking.

    Source:
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    Target: Cyryl_scaled
    Distance: 2.3497% / 0.02349735
    88.8 Slavic_proxy_scaled
    10.8 Syrian_proxy_scaled
    0.4 Anatolian_proxy_scaled

    Target: Cyryl_scaled
    Distance: 2.4041% / 0.02404118
    88.0 Slavic_proxy_scaled
    12.0 Anatolian_proxy_scaled

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  8. #25
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    Scotland England Australia Star of David Turkey Egypt
    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    There will be tremendous overfitting, most don't even make sense historically speaking.

    Target: Seabass_Dad_scaled
    Distance: 2.5000% / 0.02500036
    70.8 Germanic_proxy_scaled
    29.2 Gaul_proxy_scaled



    Target: Seabass_scaled
    Distance: 2.3881% / 0.02388082
    32.8 Germanic_proxy_scaled
    29.6 Gaul_proxy_scaled
    22.0 Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    13.2 Syrian_proxy_scaled
    2.4 Berber_proxy_scaled



    Target: Seabass_Mum_scaled
    Distance: 2.4463% / 0.02446338
    34.4 Syrian_proxy_scaled
    19.2 Gaul_proxy_scaled
    16.6 Greek_proxy_scaled
    10.6 Anatolian_proxy_scaled
    8.8 Berber_proxy_scaled
    7.2 Levantine_proxy_scaled
    3.2 Slavic_proxy_scaled

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  10. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post

    Source:
    Code:
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    There will be tremendous overfitting, most don't even make sense historically speaking.

    e]
    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 2.0126% / 0.02012577

    48.8 Italic_proxy_scaled
    40.8 Gaul_proxy_scaled
    5.2 Berber_proxy_scaled
    5.2 Germanic_proxy_scaled

    Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
    Distance: 1.8319% / 0.01831926

    59.0 Italic_proxy_scaled
    29.8 Gaul_proxy_scaled
    10.4 Berber_proxy_scaled
    0.8 Germanic_proxy_scaled

    Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
    Distance: 2.6619% / 0.02661876

    41.8 Gaul_proxy_scaled
    38.6 Italic_proxy_scaled
    15.2 Germanic_proxy_scaled
    4.4 Berber_proxy_scaled

    *****************************
    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 2.3236% / 0.02323637 | R2P

    57.0 Italic_proxy_scaled
    43.0 Gaul_proxy_scaled

    Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
    Distance: 2.4920% / 0.02491997 | R2P

    92.8 Italic_proxy_scaled
    7.2 Berber_proxy_scaled

    Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
    Distance: 2.9123% / 0.02912312 | R2P

    59.0 Gaul_proxy_scaled
    41.0 Italic_proxy_scaled

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  12. #27
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    U6a7a

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post

    After the fall of Rome and depopulation of the biggest cities on the peninsula. Many of these migrants from East Med died out and were replaced by Italic population from the countryside.
    Is there any proof that the countryside was any less East Med than the cities? Modern central and southern Italians have a good deal of Anatolian and Levantine still.
    Last edited by Cascio; 01-24-2021 at 03:07 PM.

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  14. #28
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    H1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    There will be tremendous overfitting, most don't even make sense historically speaking.
    Please explain further.
    Hidden Content

    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

  15. #29
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    H1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    Is there any proof that the countryside was any less East Med than the cities? Modern central and southern Italians have a good deal of Anatolian and Levantine still.
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TdNrNWly-...mmary_mini.gif
    Hidden Content

    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.7288% / 0.01728791 | R3P
    51.6 VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA = Germanic
    37.4 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    11.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre = Saami

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    There will be tremendous overfitting, most don't even make sense historically speaking.
    Lol, it's true.

    Target: Juan_scaled
    Distance: 3.0693% / 0.03069337
    56.8 Italic_proxy_scaled
    28.2 Germanic_proxy_scaled
    15.0 Berber_proxy_scaled

    [1] "distance%=1.9178"

    JJJ

    NW_Iberia_IA,79.8
    Roman_Colonial,12.4
    Berber_EMA,7.8

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