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    A group (project) has been created on YFull for I-L621 (which includes the very common I2a-Dinaric and also the rare I2a-Disles). I have been made its administrator.

    I encourage all members of I-L621 on YFull to join the group.

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    FTDNA now offers individual SNP tests for the following. Consult YFull's haplotree for I-L621.

    Y4460 - Downstream from CTS5966 < L621, upstream from Y3118, sibling of S17250
    Y4882 - Downstream from Y3548 (not offered) < S17250, sibling of Z16971 and Z16983/Y4790/A356

    Not on YFull's haplotree yet:

    Z17855 - Downstream from CTS5966, sibling of S17250 and Y4460

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    Just got back my father-in-law's results for kit no. 274931 (MDKA: Jozef Gardocki, b.1887, Zalesie, Podlasie, Poland) and he was S17250+.

    A few questions...

    1. Any recommendation as to which SNP I should test next (Y4882 or Z16971 or Z16983) would be greatly appreciated. Based on geography, I would guess Y4882?
    2. Is the under representation of S17250+ in the Balkans due to testing bias compared to say Poland or Germany? If not, is its higher FTDNA frequency north of the Balkans telling us anything?
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    1. Any recommendation as to which SNP I should test next (Y4882 or Z16971 or Z16983) would be greatly appreciated. Based on geography, I would guess Y4882?
    That would be my best guess. In my project, here are the counts of Polish ancestry among those S17250+ who have SNP-tested further (not including multiples from the same family):
    Y4882: 6
    Z16971: 3
    Z16983: 0
    None of the above: 2
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    2. Is the under representation of S17250+ in the Balkans due to testing bias compared to say Poland or Germany? If not, is its higher FTDNA frequency north of the Balkans telling us anything?
    In the I2a Project, I see a lot of Balkan ancestry marked as S17250* . I suspect that very few men of Balkan ancestry have taken the Big Y test, so their largest clade has not yet been identified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    That would be my best guess. In my project, here are the counts of Polish ancestry among those S17250+ who have SNP-tested further (not including multiples from the same family):
    Y4882: 6
    Z16971: 3
    Z16983: 0
    None of the above: 2

    In the I2a Project, I see a lot of Balkan ancestry marked as S17250* . I suspect that very few men of Balkan ancestry have taken the Big Y test, so their largest clade has not yet been identified.
    My BiGY test will be ready around mid-July. Lets hope it shread some new light on the issue. My grandfather was greek (at least 2 generations back) and lived until 1913 in modern day Istanbul (Constantinople back then). He later resettled (for obvious reasons that we don't need to write here) in the village Kastanies (where the majority of the villagers considered them selves greek-thracians (thrakiotes)) outside of Kilkis before going to Thessaloniki later on in life. The surname Asimakidis is from his side, and they hade a very narrow familytree, due to few siblings etc. I look forward uncovering the truth behind my genes, no matter what they tell me! The truth is more important, than some romantic fantasy about one-selves origin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    That would be my best guess. In my project, here are the counts of Polish ancestry among those S17250+ who have SNP-tested further (not including multiples from the same family):
    Y4882: 6
    Z16971: 3
    Z16983: 0
    None of the above: 2

    In the I2a Project, I see a lot of Balkan ancestry marked as S17250* . I suspect that very few men of Balkan ancestry have taken the Big Y test, so their largest clade has not yet been identified.
    Thanks for the recommendation...I just ordered Y4882 for no. 274931.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Expecting my S17250 result in a month. After which will do whatever seems appropriate. Will do the Big Y as soon as the $100 discount becomes operative

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    That would be my best guess. In my project, here are the counts of Polish ancestry among those S17250+ who have SNP-tested further (not including multiples from the same family):
    Y4882: 6
    Z16971: 3
    Z16983: 0
    None of the above: 2

    In the I2a Project, I see a lot of Balkan ancestry marked as S17250* . I suspect that very few men of Balkan ancestry have taken the Big Y test, so their largest clade has not yet been identified.
    I am S17250* too.Tested Z16983-.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    Will do the Big Y as soon as the $100 discount becomes operative
    I fully expect a discount and/or coupon on the Big Y for Father's Day, because turnaround for that test is now "normal":
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    As of May 26, 2015, our testing is running per normal turn around, except the following delays:
    mtDNA – 9 to 11 weeks

    Y-DNA -10 to 13 weeks

    Family Finder – 5 to 6

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    A mini Dinaric project was sponsored by a person with origin from Macedonia. A number of I2a Dinaric from The Balkans are tested for several SNPs. The first results are out and a picture is emerging.
    It seems almost all Dinaric North from the Southern and Eastern Balkans are S17250-, Z17855+
    Alternatively. Dinaric South are S17250+, but negative for all known subbranches. Probably a specific Balkan branch exists, which is not discovered yet, due to the small number of people taken the NGS tests. Big Y was no good for identifying the subbranch, somebody has to splurge on the FGS test.

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