Page 1 of 7 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 62

Thread: Oldie but Goldie - Gilak - Iran - "Testimony Peoples" from the Caspian Sea

  1. #1
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,172
    Sex
    Location
    Brazil
    Ethnicity
    Rio de Janeiro Colonial
    Nationality
    Brazilian
    Y-DNA (P)
    J1a1 FGC6064+ M365+
    mtDNA (M)
    H1ao1

    Suebi Kingdom Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ Brazilian Empire Brazil

    Oldie but Goldie - Gilak - Iran - "Testimony Peoples" from the Caspian Sea

    Unfortunately we don't have new articles about the big mistery, how CHG_Iran arrived in the Steppe, Who We Were and How We Got There, because we don't have absolutely any article about high-coverage NGS Y-DNA from Iran after several years. The last good database of Iranian Y-DNA was the SMGF (Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation), where I found some important STR matches of my Brazilian Portuguese J1 clade in Iran, but they were removed from the internet and Viola Grugni's article - Ancient Migratory Events in the Middle East: New Clues from the Y-Chromosome Variation of Modern Iranians from 2012, almost ten years ago ! - https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0041252 !

    Terrible situation of ignorance after several years !

    We only have the Southern Caspian samples from Gilan - Iran, 64 Gilak individuals with the SNPs from that time:

    G-P303* (xU1)- 9.4%
    J1-M267* (xP58) - 10.9%
    J2a (M410) - 6.3%
    J2a3 (Page55) 4.7%
    J2a3a (M47) 3.1%
    J2a3b (M67) 4.7%
    J2a3h (M530) 4.7%
    R1a1 (M198) 9.4%
    R1b1a2a (L23) 18.8%

    That's a unique composition where basal types of J1, J2 and R1a and R1b are present and share similar proportions, so that's a window to the Ancient Iranian Population from the Caspian Sea Shores, probably in the South and in the North before the expansion to new distant frontiers and the genetic drift of some lineages in some directions.
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
    MDKAs before Colonial Brazil
    Y-DNA - Milhazes, Barcelos, Minho, Portugal.
    mtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
    North_Swedish + PT + PT + PT @ 3.96 EUtest 4

  2. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to RCO For This Useful Post:

     capsian (02-04-2021),  Halgurd (02-07-2021),  Jatt1 (02-04-2021),  laltota (02-06-2021),  Mithra 𐎷𐎰𐎼 (02-05-2021),  parasar (02-05-2021),  pmokeefe (02-04-2021),  sheepslayer (02-04-2021)

  3. #2
    Bronze Class Member
    Posts
    269
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Steppe thug + Farmer
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b U152 BY3958
    mtDNA (M)
    J2a1a1a4
    mtDNA (P)
    V1

    France France Paris1 Lorraine Switzerland Italy New Caledonia
    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    Unfortunately we don't have new articles about the big mistery, how CHG_Iran arrived in the Steppe, Who We Were and How We Got There, because we don't have absolutely any article about high-coverage NGS Y-DNA from Iran after several years. The last good database of Iranian Y-DNA was the SMGF (Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation), where I found some important STR matches of my Brazilian Portuguese J1 clade in Iran, but they were removed from the internet and Viola Grugni's article - Ancient Migratory Events in the Middle East: New Clues from the Y-Chromosome Variation of Modern Iranians from 2012, almost ten years ago ! - https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0041252 !

    Terrible situation of ignorance after several years !

    We only have the Southern Caspian samples from Gilan - Iran, 64 Gilak individuals with the SNPs from that time:

    G-P303* (xU1)- 9.4%
    J1-M267* (xP58) - 10.9%
    J2a (M410) - 6.3%
    J2a3 (Page55) 4.7%
    J2a3a (M47) 3.1%
    J2a3b (M67) 4.7%
    J2a3h (M530) 4.7%
    R1a1 (M198) 9.4%
    R1b1a2a (L23) 18.8%

    That's a unique composition where basal types of J1, J2 and R1a and R1b are present and share similar proportions, so that's a window to the Ancient Iranian Population from the Caspian Sea Shores, probably in the South and in the North before the expansion to new distant frontiers and the genetic drift of some lineages in some directions.
    So you are a CHG remnant from the past ?

  4. #3
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,172
    Sex
    Location
    Brazil
    Ethnicity
    Rio de Janeiro Colonial
    Nationality
    Brazilian
    Y-DNA (P)
    J1a1 FGC6064+ M365+
    mtDNA (M)
    H1ao1

    Suebi Kingdom Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ Brazilian Empire Brazil
    Yes Dieu, I think most of my Y-DNA SNPs in the Paleolithic/Mesolithic/Bronze Age were related and developed with a CHG_Iran population around the Caspian Sea and Northern Iran where I can find my matches before 2400 years ago by YFull, then we moved to Northern Portugal to the Reconquista and the Conquest and Colonization of Brazil, probably we like tough places and frontiers of war !
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
    MDKAs before Colonial Brazil
    Y-DNA - Milhazes, Barcelos, Minho, Portugal.
    mtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
    North_Swedish + PT + PT + PT @ 3.96 EUtest 4

  5. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to RCO For This Useful Post:

     Halgurd (02-07-2021),  Jatt1 (02-04-2021)

  6. #4
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    799
    Sex
    Location
    San Diego, CA
    Ethnicity
    Polish/British Isles
    Nationality
    U.S.
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-A9185
    mtDNA (M)
    H1
    mtDNA (P)
    J1c2

    Poland England Ireland Munster
    Distinct genetic variation and heterogeneity of the Iranian population (2019)
    Abstract
    Iran, despite its size, geographic location and past cultural influence, has largely been a blind spot for human population genetic studies. With only sparse genetic information on the Iranian population available, we pursued its genome-wide and geographic characterization based on 1021 samples from eleven ethnic groups. We show that Iranians, while close to neighboring populations, present distinct genetic variation consistent with long-standing genetic continuity, harbor high heterogeneity and different levels of consanguinity, fall apart into a cluster of similar groups and several admixed ones and have experienced numerous language adoption events in the past. Our findings render Iran an important source for human genetic variation in Western and Central Asia, will guide adequate study sampling and assist the interpretation of putative disease-implicated genetic variation. Given Iran’s internal genetic heterogeneity, future studies will have to consider ethnic affiliations and possible admixture.
    YFull: YF14620 (Dante Labs 2018)

  7. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to pmokeefe For This Useful Post:

     Jatt1 (02-04-2021),  RCO (02-04-2021)

  8. #5
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,172
    Sex
    Location
    Brazil
    Ethnicity
    Rio de Janeiro Colonial
    Nationality
    Brazilian
    Y-DNA (P)
    J1a1 FGC6064+ M365+
    mtDNA (M)
    H1ao1

    Suebi Kingdom Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ Brazilian Empire Brazil
    I read that 2019 article but unfortunately no Y-DNA at all !
    given the lack of Y-chromosomal data in our study.
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
    MDKAs before Colonial Brazil
    Y-DNA - Milhazes, Barcelos, Minho, Portugal.
    mtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
    North_Swedish + PT + PT + PT @ 3.96 EUtest 4

  9. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to RCO For This Useful Post:

     Jatt1 (02-04-2021),  pmokeefe (02-04-2021)

  10. #6
    Suspended Account
    Posts
    635
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    1/2 Italian, 1/2 Armenian
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-U152
    mtDNA (M)
    H5a

    There's no Iranian admixture in the steppe.

  11. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to davit For This Useful Post:

     CopperAxe (02-04-2021),  theplayer (02-04-2021)

  12. #7
    Registered Users
    Posts
    878
    Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    I read that 2019 article but unfortunately no Y-DNA at all !
    Similar situation but entirely different subclade in case of my brother's kit. https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-ZS3698/

  13. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Jatt1 For This Useful Post:

     pmokeefe (02-04-2021),  RCO (02-04-2021)

  14. #8
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,172
    Sex
    Location
    Brazil
    Ethnicity
    Rio de Janeiro Colonial
    Nationality
    Brazilian
    Y-DNA (P)
    J1a1 FGC6064+ M365+
    mtDNA (M)
    H1ao1

    Suebi Kingdom Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ Brazilian Empire Brazil
    Just google: Academic articles + Steppe + Iran
    ...and come back ! Every recently published article about Eurasia, the Steppe or Arabia, India and the Mediterranean is dealing with the Iranian sources.
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
    MDKAs before Colonial Brazil
    Y-DNA - Milhazes, Barcelos, Minho, Portugal.
    mtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
    North_Swedish + PT + PT + PT @ 3.96 EUtest 4

  15. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to RCO For This Useful Post:

     Jatt1 (02-04-2021),  Mithra 𐎷𐎰𐎼 (02-05-2021)

  16. #9
    Registered Users
    Posts
    4,805
    Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    Just google: Academic articles + Steppe + Iran
    ...and come back ! Every recently published article about Eurasia, the Steppe or Arabia, India and the Mediterranean is dealing with the Iranian sources.
    They're all wrong.

  17. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Generalissimo For This Useful Post:

     CopperAxe (02-04-2021),  davit (02-04-2021),  Jatt1 (02-04-2021),  rms2 (02-05-2021)

  18. #10
    Registered Users
    Posts
    878
    Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    They're all wrong.
    Can you figure out anything regarding ZS3698? https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-ZS3698/

Page 1 of 7 123 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 7
    Last Post: 11-25-2019, 09:02 AM
  2. "Roman DNA" "Anglo-Saxon DNA" "Viking DNA"
    By RandomUsernameGuy in forum General
    Replies: 53
    Last Post: 12-23-2018, 07:25 PM
  3. Replies: 15
    Last Post: 01-30-2017, 09:51 PM
  4. Replies: 258
    Last Post: 08-23-2015, 08:31 PM
  5. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 03-02-2015, 04:22 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •