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    U152 percentages in US states based on 2000 Census ancestry data

    In this thread I started this research
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post743694

    After my initial map, I found more detailed 2000 census data, which I've been working through since.
    https://archive.org/details/Ancestry...e/n29/mode/2up

    I had to make several assumptions and interpolations in the creation of this new map.

    1. If the percentages were derived from the FTDNA database, based on prior identification of a 11% database bias in favor of non R1b haplogroups in England, I multiplied the U152 percentage by 1.11 to compensate for this bias.
    2. “American” ancestry: The listing of “American” in 2000 census was found mostly in southern US states (at least 17% in Alabama, Tennessee, and Kentucky). In the FTDNA database, U152 was 4.52% of those that listed "US" as their ancestry. I multiplied this by x 1.11 = 5.02% U152. By comparison I got 5.48% for British ancestry which is probably where much of this "American" ancestry is from.
    3. African American: According to this site 28.46% of African American ancestry is from European haplogroups. https://tracingafricanroots.wordpres...within-africa/ I used 28.46% x the American ancestry estimate of 5.02% which equaled 1.43% U152.
    4. Belgians: I used Brabant Study where 9.5% of samples were U152
    5. Canadians: FTDNA had 2.95% U152, x 1.11 bias compensation = 3.27% U152. Based on the English calculation below, this seemed too low. In the English calculation I ended up 1.26% higher than this so I multiplied Canadian 3.27% by 1.26 which gave 4.11% U152. This still may be too low, but I’m not sure how to get a better result. Fortunately, Canadian ancestry was one of the smallest groups I used, so the impact of a percentage error should be very minor.
    6. Czech, Czechoslovakian, Slovak: were combined together and was weighted according to whether a US state was mostly Czech (4.5%) evenly Czech & Slovak (3.5%), mostly Slovak (2.5%). Data to arrive at these percentages was combination of Busby/Myres and FTDNA.
    7. Danes: Used a combination of Busby and FTDNA which came out to 3.4% of Danes being U152.
    8. Dutch: I used 2 public studies containing 2585 samples with 6.85% being U152.
    9. English: I thought about breaking out English samples based on Albion’s Seed’s e.g. New England states would get the Busby/BritainsDNA U152 percentage for East & Southeast England etc. but it became too difficult/questionable as I had to come up with percentages for Western states. In the end I went with an across-the-board average. English were 4.83% U152 of total English samples. Multiplying it by 1.11 bias compensation takes it to 5.36%. This still seems too low in my opinion. The average for Busby/Myres English samples was 8.8% which seemed too high. The average of the 5 BritainsDNA regions was 6%. Taking the average of the 5-6 regions in Busby/Myres and BritainsDNA yielded 6.74% which seems more reasonable. Taking an average of FTDNA, Busby/Myres & BritainsDNA give 6.72%. So I went with 6.73% U152 for English.
    10. French: As the bulk of French in the US was from Canada, I researched what part of France most of immigrants came from. It was North & NW France. Using available data for this area e.g. Busby/Myres ranged from 6-14%, I chose 10% U152 for the French.
    11. Germans: Researched what parts of Germany immigrants came from. Based on available data at ports of departure for origin of passengers, and Busby/Myres regional data. I estimated roughly a 2/3rds were from southern and western Germany (13.5% U152) and 1/3 from eastern and northern Germany (4% U152), which came out to 10.27% U152 for the Germans.
    12. Greeks: I took the average of Busby & Myres percentages which was 3.55%.
    13. Hispanics: Based on 2000 census data, I broke each state’s Hispanic population into Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, and other Hispanics. Based on FTDNA data I used 2.2% x 1.11 = 2.44% for Mexican and other Hispanic, 7.2% x 1.11 = 7.99% for Puerto Rican, and 6.8% x 1.11 = 7.22% for Cuban
    14. Hungarians: I used the 3.5% U152 from Myres.
    15. Irish: I used the average of the 3 Busby regions (2.2%) in the Republic of Ireland
    16. Italians: The bulk of Italian immigrants were from the south with most of those from Sicily (83% of total). I estimated 8.5% U152 for Italian Americans based on the Boattini et al. (2013) study.
    17. Native American: I used FTDNA’s 1.9% U152 x 1.11 = 2.1% U152
    18. Norwegians: Used a combination of Busby (3.6%) and FTDNA 2.1% x 1.11 = 2.33%, which is 2.97% U152
    19. Poles: I used the Busby’s U152 percentage (2.87%) and FTDNA 2.24% x 1.1. = 2.49%. I used 2.5% which was the combined average of all 3164 samples above.
    20. Portuguese: Busby & Myres got 5.75% U152 for all samples. FTDNA is 2.38% U152 x 1.11 = 2.64%. I used 3.6% which was the combined average of all 1241 samples above.
    21. Russians: Myres got 1.1% U152 for Central Russia. FTDNA is 0.65% x 1.11 = 0.73%. I used 0.75% which was the combined average of all 4856 samples above.
    22. Scottish: I took the U152 average of BritainsDNA (average of 4% for all regions) and FTDNA (2.37% x 1.11 = 2.63%), which averaged to 3.32%
    23. Scot-Irish were computed from Busby (1.4%) BritainsDNA (2%) and FTDNA (2.33% x 1.11 = 2.58%), which came out to 2.0%.
    24. Swedes: Myres got 2.2% U152. FTDNA was 1.84% x 1.11 = 2.04%. I used 2.16% which was the combined average of all 3620 samples above.
    25. Swiss: Myres got 18.29% U152 for all samples. FTDNA was 14.25% x 1.11 = 15.81%. I used 16.1% which was the combined average of all 1635 samples above.
    26. Ukrainians: Myres & Busby combined got 0.6% U152 for all samples. FTDNA was 1.05% x 1.11 = 1.16%. I used 1.0% which was the combined average of all 1930 samples above.
    27. Welsh: Both BritainsDNA and FTDNA x 1.11 yield 3.0% U152, so I used that.
    28. British/United Kingdom ancestry (combination of English, Welsh, Scottish, N. Ireland as determined for each ancestry in the above calculations): The overall British U152 percentage was determined by the percentage of each British component in the census. Thus, 69.1% weighting was given to English U152 %, 13.8% to Scotch-Irish, 12.2% to Scottish, and 4.9% to Welsh; resulting in an overall 5.48% for British U152.
    29. After I totaled all the above U152 percentages for each state, I had to divide it by percent of total ancestry reported. Some people reported multiple ancestry in the Census, which sometime lead to more than 100% total ancestry being reported. For example, in North Dakota there was a total population of 642,200 and total ancestry reported was 813,468, meaning total ancestry reported was 126.70% of the actual population. Before the adjustment, North Dakota U152 was 6.91%. After adjustment it was 5.46% U152.
    30. I then put the adjusted U152 totals on a map, using natural breaks/clustering to group the states by color
    a. Puerto Rico is the only 1 above 6%. (7.73% U152)
    b. 2nd tier ranged from 5.78-5.95% U152. 5 states in this group including 3 New England states, Iowa & Wisconsin
    c. 3rd tier ranged from 5.24-5.68% U152. 12 states in this group including 6 Central Plains states, 2 New England states, 4 Midwestern states
    d. 4th tier ranged from 4.74-5.14% U152. 11 states in this group including 6 Mountain/Northwest states, 1 New England state, 2 Great Lakes states, and Kentucky & Louisiana
    e. 5th tier ranged from 4.22-4.59% U152. 14 states in this group including 4 Southeastern states, 3 mid-Atlantic states, Illinois, Arizona, Arkansas Oklahoma, and Nevada.
    f. 6th tier ranged from 3.67-4.05% U152. 7 states in this group including 3 deep south states, Maryland, Texas, California and New Mexico.
    g. 7th tier was Hawaii with 1.88% U152



    As I was gathering the data I made multiple maps. While the percentages would change here and there, and the order of the states would jump around, the general pattern pretty much stayed the same. i.e. U152 was always highest in New England and North Central states, and lowest in Southwestern and Southern states (Louisiana being the exception due to it's French ancestry).
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 02-07-2021 at 07:06 AM. Reason: Map removed to fix error
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    Following is just for fun.

    Since it is Super bowl Sunday in the US...if you are U152 and don't have a team to pull for, go with the Kansas City Chiefs

    Based on this map and the one above, it appears these are the top U152 NFL teams


    1. Green Bay Packers
    2. New England Patriots
    3. Minnesota Vikings
    4. Kansas City Chiefs
    5. Indianapolis Colts
    6. Cleveland Browns
    7. Cincinnati Bengals
    8. Pittsburg Steelers
    9. Denver Broncos
    10. Philadelphia Eagles
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    Guess I’m in a tiny minority being a U152 from California
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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemist223 View Post
    Guess I’m in a tiny minority being a U152 from California
    Actually in total numbers, there are more U152 in California than any other state. The map in first post is just based on overall percentages.
    Here is what I got for U152 per state in 2000 census

    California 634,201
    New York 427,557
    Texas 409,117
    Florida 366,523
    Pennsylvania 326,279
    Ohio 303,820
    Illinois 283,168
    Michigan 248,763
    New Jersey 187,915
    North Carolina 177,092
    Indiana 164,701
    Georgia 160,692
    Wisconsin 159,397
    Massachusetts 155,245
    Virginia 153,215
    Missouri 150,971
    Washington 139,815
    Minnesota 126,435
    Tennessee 125,370
    Arizona 113,042
    Colorado 109,943
    Louisiana 108,221
    Maryland 107,138
    Kentucky 102,904
    Connecticut 89,215
    Alabama 88,570
    Iowa 87,093
    South Carolina 84,921
    Oregon 82,366
    Oklahoma 76,769
    Kansas 73,763
    Arkansas 58,274
    Utah 55,460
    Mississippi 52,242
    West Virginia 50,558
    Nebraska 48,083
    Nevada 42,164
    Maine 37,823
    New Hampshire 35,702
    New Mexico 35,092
    Idaho 33,109
    Rhode Island 28,380
    Montana 23,782
    South Dakota 21,425
    Vermont 17,890
    Delaware 17,800
    North Dakota 17,517
    Alaska 13,359
    Wyoming 12,475
    Hawaii 11,366



    Out of a total 2000 US census population of 281,421,91, I got 6,445,915 U152 men in 2000 or about 7.5 million today.

    Interestingly, 4.58% U152 for the US via my analysis tells me I might not be too far off; as 4.52% of samples that list the USA as country of paternal origin in the FTDNA haplotree are U152 (276 out of 6108).
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 02-07-2021 at 08:03 PM. Reason: Corrected totals for male pop only
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    Super interesting. How does U152 stack up overall in the US and Europe in comparison to other Ydna haplogroups? Is U152 the least common of R1B?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjspringfield View Post
    Super interesting. How does U152 stack up overall in the US and Europe in comparison to other Ydna haplogroups? Is U152 the least common of R1B?
    Of the Big 4 R1b, yes U152 is the least common

    In the FTDNA database (which has a US testing bias), 6155 of all testers list US as the paternal origin.
    1602 were L21 (26.1%)
    900 were U106 (14.6%)
    450 were DF27 (7.3%)
    282 were U152 (4.6%)
    61 were DF19 (1.0%)

    Here is a map I did for R1b in Europe in November 2019
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/vi...93hCflccAj_44u

    Thread it's associated with is here
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....b-Project-Maps
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Of the Big 4 R1b, yes U152 is the least common

    In the FTDNA database (which has a US testing bias), 6155 of all testers list US as the paternal origin.
    1602 were L21 (26.1%)
    900 were U106 (14.6%)
    450 were DF27 (7.3%)
    282 were U152 (4.6%)
    61 were DF19 (1.0%)

    Here is a map I did for R1b in Europe in November 2019
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/vi...93hCflccAj_44u

    Thread it's associated with is here
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....b-Project-Maps
    Other US haplogroups with over 1 % of total
    E 6.3%
    G 2.7%
    I1 12.1%
    I2 6,8%
    J2 3.2%

    So U152 would be the 6th largest.
    1. L21
    2. U106
    3. I1
    4. DF27
    5. I2
    6. U152
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 02-21-2021 at 05:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Other US haplogroup with over 1 % of total
    E 6.3%
    G 2.7%
    I1 12.1%
    I2 6,8%
    J2 3.2%

    So U152 would be the 6th largest.
    1. L21
    2. U106
    3. I1
    4. DF27
    5. I2
    6. U152
    Interesting. U152 is not rare, although not as common as I thought. 23andMe certainly makes it seem more common.
    Do you have any updates or information on minor subclades on why and who? Specifically A520 or R-BY3549? Or any of them for that matter. There's one example as far south as Greece and another in England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjspringfield View Post
    Interesting. U152 is not rare, although not as common as I thought. 23andMe certainly makes it seem more common.
    Do you have any updates or information on minor subclades on why and who? Specifically A520 or R-BY3549? Or any of them for that matter. There's one example as far south as Greece and another in England.
    No but it’s easy to do this yourself by going to the FTDNA Haplotree and clicking on various country reports for haplogroups in question.
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