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    SNPs for your beard density

    SNP rs365060 is what determines beard thickness in Eurasian populations descending from WHG, CHG and EHG, so I think this can apply to South Asians fairly well.

    rs365060

    Each (C) allele is associated with ~25% denser beard growth.

    (C;C)
    (C;G)
    (G;G)

    https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs365060

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    SNPs rs4864809, rs6901317 and rs117717824 were also found to determine beard thickness, but the effect was only ascertained in Latin American populations.

    rs4864809

    Each (A) allele is associated with denser beard growth.

    (A;A)
    (A;G)
    (G;G)

    https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs4864809

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    rs6901317

    Each (G) allele is associated with denser beard growth.

    (G;G)
    (G;T)
    (T;T)

    https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs6901317

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    rs117717824

    This is associated with only thin beard variants.

    (G;G)
    (G;T)
    (T;T)

    https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs117717824

    Source:
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...2/164400-1.pdf


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    Probably not positive for any of these. My beard ain't dense at all. Watch out boi Kirat scoring 100 on all of em.

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    Unfortunately, I can not find any of these SNPs in my MyHeritage raw file :/ but most probably I do score positive in atleast a couple of these, considering my beard thickly and quickly climbs up till my cheekbones if I do not trim it regularly
    A lot of it surely correlates with free testosterone in the body too, at least that is what I remember having read. Just an anecdotal evidence but my body and facial hair gew thicker after I began strength training...

    @Desi: your adage makes me recall that in Kathiawar of the olden days, "Muchhalo" ("The one with the moustache" in English) was a widely used synonym for a man.
    According to the writings of the great Jhaverchand Meghani on the legendary outlaws of Kathiawar, men of different castes could be identified based upon their style of facial hair and the style of their turbans. So a keen eye could tell a Chāran from a Kāthi from many a metre.

    Fascinating that one could write a book, if not several, on facial hair in South Asia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirtan24 View Post
    Unfortunately, I can not find any of these SNPs in my MyHeritage raw file :/ but most probably I do score positive in atleast a couple of these, considering my beard thickly and quickly climbs up till my cheekbones if I do not trim it regularly
    A lot of it surely correlates with free testosterone in the body too, at least that is what I remember having read. Just an anecdotal evidence but my body and facial hair gew thicker after I began strength training...

    @Desi: your adage makes me recall that in Kathiawar of the olden days, "Muchhalo" ("The one with the moustache" in English) was a widely used synonym for a man.
    According to the writings of the great Jhaverchand Meghani on the legendary outlaws of Kathiawar, men of different castes could be identified based upon their style of facial hair and the style of their turbans. So a keen eye could tell a Chāran from a Kāthi from many a metre.

    Fascinating that one could write a book, if not several, on facial hair in South Asia.
    Interesting to know other South Asian cultures also hold the mustache in great esteem haha. I guess facial hair has been a sign of virility in South Asia, as well as in the West for a long time. The clean-shaven trend is really only a recent phenomenon in the West and the cultures it influenced, ironically also exacerbated by a pandemic, the Spanish flu: https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/3...u-tuberculosis

    And I'm sure there's a good chance you score (c/c) for rs365060 given your beard.

    I also did find some statistical data on South Asians (particularly Gujarati Indian, Houston) for the SNPs rs4864809 and rs6901317, so perhaps that could give us an idea:

    rs4864809:
    Screenshot 2021-02-14 at 1.40.11 AM.png

    rs6901317:
    Screenshot 2021-02-14 at 1.59.15 AM.png
    Last edited by desi; 02-14-2021 at 07:03 AM.

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    This is with the "browse raw data" feature via 23andme.com because I could not find many of these in the raw data file.

    rs4864809 (variants A or G) - G/G

    rs6901317 (variants G or T) - G/G

    rs117717824 (variants G or T) - G/G

    That said, I do have nearly full beard coverage, its just that the hairs shafts themselves are not as dense as the usual suspects with dense beards, such as Punjabis, Gujaratis, Malayalis, etc. I noticed that a lot of desis also cannot have a connecting beard - it kind of gives up near sides of the mouth lol. But mine connects all around.

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    I have rs365060 (C;C), I would say my beard is pretty thick, but not extraordinarily so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by desi View Post
    Interesting to know other South Asian cultures also hold the mustache in great esteem haha. I guess facial hair has been a sign of virility in South Asia, as well as in the West for a long time. The clean-shaven trend is really only a recent phenomenon in the West and the cultures it influenced, ironically also exacerbated by a pandemic, the Spanish flu: https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/3...u-tuberculosis

    And I'm sure you score (c/c) for rs365060 given your beard.

    I also did find some statistical data on South Asians (particularly Gujarati Indian, Houston) for the SNPs rs4864809 and rs6901317, so perhaps that could give us an idea:

    Screenshot 2021-02-14 at 1.40.11 AM.png
    Ooh yes! Even today Rajputs and Kāthis of Kathiawar sport atleast a majestic moustache, if not a full beard. My father tells me that there are still villages in the erstwhile princely states of Wadhwan, Vala, Junagadh etc. where the tradition of sporting a "caste-specific" beard is still alive. I am on my way to Gujarat right now and he has promised me to show me those villages, so quite thrilled

    Even in the west I can not think of any cultures which put this much importance on facial hair, except maybe the martial tribes of Caucasus. Sure in Europe it was vogue and manly to have a beard but not much more. The portraits of English, French and German Kings only depict a hairy royal beginning in the 19th century.

    I read that British army officers were required to grow a moustache when stationed in South Asia, so much so that it later became a law.

    It took a century to catch on in Great Britain, where facial hair was frowned upon at home, but found new lodgings on the faces of soldiers in the East India Company’s Bombay Army, for whom mustaches officially became part of the troops’ dress code in 1854.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...tache-law/amp/

    Haha fascinating link! such a pity that the Spanish flu brought an end to the bearded era. And such an irony that the pandemic today has somewhat triggered a comeback of the beard, men being locked in for a long time and all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirtan24 View Post
    Even in the west I can not think of any cultures which put this much importance on facial hair, except maybe the martial tribes of Caucasus. Sure in Europe it was vogue and manly to have a beard but not much more. The portraits of English, French and German Kings only depict a hairy royal beginning in the 19th century.
    I remember reading somewhere about how in Ottoman society different types of mustaches (or was it facial hair?) reflected what political ideology you followed.

    https://cafebabel.com/en/article/the...3b35a145e66f9/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirtan24 View Post
    Unfortunately, I can not find any of these SNPs in my MyHeritage raw file :/ but most probably I do score positive in atleast a couple of these, considering my beard thickly and quickly climbs up till my cheekbones if I do not trim it regularly
    A lot of it surely correlates with free testosterone in the body too, at least that is what I remember having read. Just an anecdotal evidence but my body and facial hair gew thicker after I began strength training...

    @Desi: your adage makes me recall that in Kathiawar of the olden days, "Muchhalo" ("The one with the moustache" in English) was a widely used synonym for a man.
    According to the writings of the great Jhaverchand Meghani on the legendary outlaws of Kathiawar, men of different castes could be identified based upon their style of facial hair and the style of their turbans. So a keen eye could tell a Chāran from a Kāthi from many a metre.

    Fascinating that one could write a book, if not several, on facial hair in South Asia.
    Mine certainly is not extreme as yours, but it connects. This is how dense my beard is when I grow it.

    Attachment 43295

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Mine certainly is not extreme as yours, but it connects. This is how dense my beard is when I grow it.

    Attachment 43295
    Looks as good as it gets mate! Certainly above the 95th percentile.
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