Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 14

Thread: R1b-FGC36982 Tree

  1. #1
    Banned
    Posts
    13,888
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-Z253>BY93500
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1a

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland

    Cool R1b-FGC36982 Tree

    Here's a tree I made of the R1b-FGC36982 branch of my family, which is the branch I'm on. My grandfather is second from the left in the bottom row.

    It was fun making this tree.

    Stevens_R1b-FGC36982 Branch.jpg
    Last edited by rms2; 08-26-2018 at 09:21 PM. Reason: Revised tree

  2. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to rms2 For This Useful Post:

     Mis (11-06-2018),  spruithean (08-30-2018)

  3. #2
    Banned
    Posts
    13,888
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-Z253>BY93500
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1a

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland

    Exclamation Shikaka!

    My second cousin (our paternal grandfathers were brothers) just got his Big Y-500 results - in less than a month (he ordered the Big Y-500 on August 16th or 17th, as I recall).

    That's great, but he got a no-call at the most significant SNP, FGC36982, the one that is my terminal SNP, the one that defines our branch of the family. Shikaka!

    He matches me on all the ~500 STR markers we both have (both of us have a few no-calls there), and I can see from the Y Chromosome Browser that he really is derived for FGC36982, but evidently FTDNA was unable to secure any reverse reads for it, so they wouldn't call it. Dang!

    The reference nucleotide there is C, but we have a change to A. One can see on the Y Chromosome Browser that my second cousin likewise has A but without any damned reverse reads.

    Another second cousin (this one once removed) has tested for FGC36982 as a stand alone test and is derived for it, and also a 109/111 match of ours is Big Y-500 tested and is derived for it.

    Here is a screenshot of the Y Chromosome Browser showing my results on top, my second cousin's results in the middle, and our 109/111 match's results at the bottom.

    FGC36982_Comparison of kits 59080, 623694 and 522600_08 Sep 2018.jpg

    You can see why FTDNA left FGC36982 as a no-call for my second cousin, although he is pretty clearly derived for it.

    I'll be giving them a phone call on Monday. I tried calling this morning, but FTDNA only accepts calls Monday-Friday from 9-5.

    Last edited by rms2; 09-09-2018 at 11:07 AM.

  4. #3
    Banned
    Posts
    13,888
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-Z253>BY93500
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1a

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland

    I telephoned FTDNA this morning and asked them to take another look at my second cousin's results. I'm glad I did, because the result was that not only did they find that he is in fact derived for FGC36982, but they discovered a SNP downstream of FGC36982 that thus far only he and I share: FGC36981.

    Of the two other guys who share the FGC36982 branch with us, one has done the Big Y-500, and he is negative for FGC36981. The other, a known second cousin once removed, tested positive for FGC36982 as a stand alone test. I don't know his FGC36981 status, since he hasn't done the Big Y-500.

    The question now is where FGC36981 first appeared. Did it first appear with our third great grandfather, Auguston Stevens, with our second great grandfather, James Holmes Stevens Sr., or with our great grandfather, James Holmes Stevens Jr.? That last one, our great grandfather, is our most recent common y-dna ancestor.

    If our second cousin once removed is derived for FGC36981, then that takes it back at least as far as James Holmes Stevens Sr., since he is the most recent common y-dna ancestor we share with our second cousin once removed. If he is negative for it, that would pinpoint our great grandfather as the first one to carry FGC36981.

  5. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to rms2 For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (09-17-2018),  gotten (11-10-2018),  MitchellSince1893 (09-11-2018)

  6. #4
    Banned
    Posts
    13,888
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-Z253>BY93500
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1a

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland
    Here's a slight revision of the R1b-FGC36982 branch tree to show the effect of FGC36981 downstream of FGC36982.

    We know our y-dna great grandfather James Holmes Stevens Jr. was derived for FGC36981, because he is our most recent common y-dna ancestor. We don't know whether or not our second great grandfather James and his father Auguston were.

    Stevens_R1b-FGC36982 Branch_FGC36981 Update.jpg

  7. The Following User Says Thank You to rms2 For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (09-17-2018)

  8. #5
    Banned
    Posts
    13,888
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-Z253>BY93500
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1a

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland
    I know nobody cares about this but me, but, anyway, I made a stair-step phylogenetic tree for FGC36981 with Paint and filled in some of the empty spaces with decorative doo-dads.

    Stevens_FGC36981 stair-step tree.jpg

  9. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to rms2 For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (09-17-2018),  MitchellSince1893 (09-15-2018),  RCO (09-15-2018),  rivergirl (09-16-2018)

  10. #6
    Banned
    Posts
    13,888
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-Z253>BY93500
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1a

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland
    Edited a few things, all for aesthetic reasons.

    This tree is part of a Power Point I made for family members that takes them all the way from a very basic intro to y chromosome testing to the terminal SNP and what that may mean.

    Stevens_FGC36981 stair-step tree.jpg
    Last edited by rms2; 09-16-2018 at 04:38 PM.

  11. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to rms2 For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (09-17-2018),  spruithean (09-17-2018)

  12. #7
    Banned
    Posts
    13,888
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-Z253>BY93500
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1a

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland
    BTW, I fully realize not all those stair steps are really equal in size. Most of them represent blocks of SNPs currently thought to be on the same level because they cannot yet be placed in phylogenetic order and probably never will be, because evidently only one line survived to carry them all forward.

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to rms2 For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (09-17-2018)

  14. #8
    Banned
    Posts
    13,888
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-Z253>BY93500
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1a

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland
    BTW, the second cousin mentioned in this thread got his Family Finder results today. Now he is my biggest match except for members of my immediate family (i.e., my dad, my mom, my youngest son, and my youngest daughter): 274 cMs, with a longest block of 61.

    He's an even bigger match for my dad.

  15. #9
    Banned
    Posts
    13,888
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-Z253>BY93500
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1a

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland

    A man named Jackson whose y-dna STR matches are all Stevenses and Stephenses (including me), and who has tested FGC36974+ (the Stephens/Stevens SNP), has ordered a test for the SNP FGC36982 from FTDNA. Mr. Jackson can only get his paternal paper trail back as far as his great grandfather, John S. Jackson, who was born somewhere in Ohio in 1855 and who died in Hamilton County, Ohio, in 1897. Jackson believes he is a Stevens because he has no Jackson y-dna matches, and, as I said, all his matches are Stevenses and Stephenses. Once he ordered FGC36974 and came up positive, I had to agree with him.

    I am hoping he gets a positive result for FGC36982, because that would put him on the same branch I am on.

    BTW, I asked Jackson's permission via email to mention this here and on Facebook, and he said okay.
    Last edited by rms2; 11-06-2018 at 07:00 PM.

  16. #10
    Banned
    Posts
    13,888
    Sex
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Ethnicity
    British and Irish
    Nationality
    USA
    Y-DNA (P)
    R1b-DF41>FGC36981
    mtDNA (M)
    U5a2c3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-Z253>BY93500
    mtDNA (P)
    K1a1a

    Wales Ireland Scotland France Bretagne England Switzerland
    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    A man named Jackson whose y-dna STR matches are all Stevenses and Stephenses (including me), and who has tested FGC36974+ (the Stephens/Stevens SNP), has ordered a test for the SNP FGC36982 from FTDNA. Mr. Jackson can only get his paternal paper trail back as far as his great grandfather, John S. Jackson, who was born somewhere in Ohio in 1855 and who died in Hamilton County, Ohio, in 1897. Jackson believes he is a Stevens because he has no Jackson y-dna matches, and, as I said, all his matches are Stevenses and Stephenses. Once he ordered FGC36974 and came up positive, I had to agree with him.

    I am hoping he gets a positive result for FGC36982, because that would put him on the same branch I am on.

    BTW, I asked Jackson's permission via email to mention this here and on Facebook, and he said okay.
    He is FGC36982-, so not on the same branch I am on.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Tree problems
    By JFWinstone in forum AncestryDNA
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 04-26-2018, 09:35 PM
  2. Hg N SNP Tree
    By famatus in forum N
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-12-2017, 06:43 PM
  3. Genealogy Family Tree vs. Genetic Family Tree
    By Wing Genealogist in forum Other
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 06-28-2017, 11:06 PM
  4. Where is E-L117 in the tree?
    By Deftextra in forum E
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 07-03-2016, 01:45 PM
  5. SNP not on tree
    By AOK in forum Inquiries Corner
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 11-05-2015, 04:20 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •