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    Indo-European mtDNA

    The Yamnaya mtDNA haplogroups published in Wilde 2014 are now in my online table: http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/ancientdna.shtml

    They were mainly published simply by the root letter e.g. H or U. I have worked out a few of the subclades. I was particularly keen to see if T1a and U2e appeared in Yamnaya, since both appear in cultures of east and west derived ultimately from Yamnaya. They do. Neither of these haplogroups arose in Yamnaya.

    • U2e (estimated date from Behar 2012 19,290 years ago) goes back to hunter-gatherers most probably around the Urals, since Palaeolithic U2 was found north of the Black Sea and has not been found elsewhere in Europe in the Mesolithic.
    • T1a (estimated date from Behar 2012 14,684 years ago) most likely entered Europe in the Neolithic.


    The interest here is that neither has so far appeared in cultures of western and central Europe before 4000 BC. So they may help in tracking Indo-Europeans. I stress that these were not the only mtDNA haplogroups in Yamnaya - just the most distinctive on present evidence.

    Here are the details:

    • 5000–4500 y.a. - T1a - Yamnaya - Russia - Nikolaevka III [NIK1]
    • 5000–4500 y.a. - T1a - Yamnaya - Ukraine - Vinogradnoe [VIN2, VIN5] 2 samples.
    • 3950-3400 BC - T1a1'3 - Baalberge - Germany - Karsdorf [KAR 22]
    • 2628-2570 BC - T1a - Corded Ware? - Germany - Eulau [EUL 25]
    • 2614-2578 BC - T1a1'3 - Corded Ware - Germany - Karsdorf [KAR 31 and 41]
    • 2600–2500 BC - T1a - Bell Beaker - Germany - Kromsdorf [grave 9b]
    • 2100 BC? - T1a - Bell Beaker - Germany - Eulau [EUL 31]
    • 1300-1100 BC - T1a - [BB derived] - Scotland - Cladh Hallan, South Uist
    • 600-400 BC - T1a - Scythian - Russia - Rostov-on-Don [RD6, RD11]


    • 4000-3000 BC - U2e - Ust-Tartas - Russia - Sopka [Ut 2, 12, 16] 3 samples.
    • 5000–4500 y.a. - U2e1a - Yamnaya - Bulgaria - Golyamata Mogila, Popovo [POP3]
    • 2600 BC - U2e2 - Corded Ware - Germany - Karsdorf [KAR 28]
    • 2600–2500 BC - U2e - Bell Beaker - Germany -Kromsdorf [grave 3]
    • 2500 BC - U2e1 - Corded Ware - Switzerland - Spreitenbach-Moosweg [11/7]
    • 2200-2136 BC - U2e1f - Unetice - Germany - Eulau [EUL 51]
    • 1800–1400 BC - U2e - Andronovo - Russia - Solenoozernaïa IV, kourgane I, burial 4 [S10]
    • 600-400 BC - U2e - Scythian - Russia - Rostov-on-Don [RD12]
    • 0 BC/AD - U2e - Denmark - Bøgebjerggård [B3]

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    Maciamo Hay has created a map of the distribution of T1 in Europe: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_T_mtDNA.shtml

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    from Palisto's collection of Kurdish mtDNA.

    1x T1a1'3 T16126C, A16163G, C16186T, T16189C, C16294T, A73G, T152C, T195C, A263G, 315.1C (Kurds from Iran; Derenko et al., 2007)
    1x U2e1a with A16051G, T152C, A508G, A3720G, A5390G, T5426C, C6045T, T6152C, A10876, T13020C, T13734C, A15907G, G16129C, T16362C, C340T, C11197T, T11732C, G7337A, A15218G, T16311C, T16519C (Sorani from Sulaymaniyah/Iraq)
    1x U2 (Alevi with Zaza ancestry, Turkey)
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    Looking at our mtDNA T1-2 and U2 matches from 23andme, my grandmother might have more Indo-European related matches since she has more Balkan ancestry then me..

    Mine:

    T's:
    T2g 1
    T2f1 2
    T2f 1
    T2e 8
    T2c1 4
    T2b6 2
    T2b5 3
    T2b4 3
    T2b3 1
    T2b2 1
    T2b1 1
    T2b 48
    T2a1b 2
    T2a1a 4
    T2a 3
    T2 8
    T1a3 2
    T1a1 16
    T1a 2
    T1 2
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    U2e1a 4
    U2e 5
    Grandmother:

    T's:
    T1 4
    T1a 3
    T1a1 17
    T1a3 1
    T1b 1
    T2 15
    T2a 4
    T2a1 2
    T2a1a 1
    T2a1b 2
    T2b 54
    T2b1 1
    T2b2 8
    T2b3 2
    T2b4 1
    T2b5 2
    T2b6 2
    T2c1 4
    T2c1b 1
    T2e 9
    T2f1 5
    U2's:
    U2e 10
    U2e1 5
    U2e1a 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    The interest here is that neither [T1a or U2e] has so far appeared in cultures of western and central Europe before 4000 BC...

    ....

    T1a (estimated date from Behar 2012 14,684 years ago) most likely entered Europe in the Neolithic.

    • 5000–4500 y.a. - T1a - Yamnaya - Russia - Nikolaevka III [NIK1]
    • 5000–4500 y.a. - T1a - Yamnaya - Ukraine - Vinogradnoe [VIN2, VIN5] 2 samples.
    • 3950-3400 BC - T1a1'3 - Baalberge - Germany - Karsdorf [KAR 22]
    • 2628-2570 BC - T1a - Corded Ware? - Germany - Eulau [EUL 25]
    • 2614-2578 BC - T1a1'3 - Corded Ware - Germany - Karsdorf [KAR 31 and 41]
    • 2600–2500 BC - T1a - Bell Beaker - Germany - Kromsdorf [grave 9b]
    • 2100 BC? - T1a - Bell Beaker - Germany - Eulau [EUL 31]
    • 1300-1100 BC - T1a - [BB derived] - Scotland - Cladh Hallan, South Uist
    • 600-400 BC - T1a - Scythian - Russia - Rostov-on-Don [RD6, RD11]
    That is interesting. Between T1 and T2, Assyrians are mostly T1. My father and the member Tomasso included.

    T1
    T1
    T1a
    T1a
    T1
    T1a2
    T1a1b
    T2
    T2a1b

    T1 accounts for ~6% of our mtDNA lines (N=116).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    Maciamo Hay has created a map of the distribution of T1 in Europe: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_T_mtDNA.shtml
    T2 seems more appropriate for yamnaya.

    North-east italy has 18% of T2 ( rest of Italy is under 10% )


    My Path = ( K-M9+, LT-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-CTS6397 yDna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtDna
    Son's mtDna = K1a4p

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    In the Wilde study, 24 of 63 samples are haplogroup U (39%), and the distribution of U looks similar to Mesolithic Europeans with mostly U5 and U4:

    U5: 12
    U4: 8
    U2e1a: 1
    K1: 2
    and one U sample with partial results that can't be assigned to a haplogroup.

    The U5 samples include ten U5a1, with only one U5a2a and one U5b2a1.

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    Thanks Gail. I was hoping for a contribution from you. I haven't had time to allocate proper haplogroups to all the samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    T2 seems more appropriate for yamnaya.
    Yes there is a T2 among the Yamnaya samples. T2a1b1a at Golyamata Mogila, Popovo, Bulgaria [POP1].

    I did explain in my first post that U2e and T1a are not the only haplogroups in Yamnaya. They are just the ones in which I have a particular interest, for tracking reasons. T2 appears in Europe in the Early Neolithic, so we can't use it to track new, post-Neolithic arrivals. Or at least we can't unless we can refine it down to a subclade such as T2a1b1a, and see if that only arrives in the Copper Age.
    Last edited by Jean M; 03-15-2014 at 09:23 PM.

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    I see that Maciamo Hay worked out the subclades days ago! http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...k-pigmentation. He also links T1a with the Indo-European expansion.
    Last edited by Jean M; 03-15-2014 at 11:54 PM.

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