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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    I don't know and i don't really care tbh.I am more focused in the Levant DNA in the blacksea area.That is the mystery and not some steppe IMO.
    Couldn't it be related to the Greek colonizers, assuming they were already Levantine-admixed by then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bovefex View Post
    Couldn't it be related to the Greek colonizers, assuming they were already Levantine-admixed by then?
    What the Levant DNA has to do with Ancient Greeks?Greek colonization in Pontus took place at '800 BC' and pretty much at the Archaic times and after...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bovefex View Post
    By the way, would you how to model the Balkanic impact on modern Greeks?
    Any decent calculator will show it. Peloponnesians score 25%-35% Yamnaya which is clearly higher than the Mycenean samples we have. But all these will be made clearer when (if) we get more Ancient Greek samples and even clearer if we get Late Antiquity samples from mainland Greece.

    Quote Originally Posted by bovefex View Post
    Is that high, low or average for a group that scores little Steppe?
    There are many R1b-ologists in this forum to answer you that but I think that percentage is about right.

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    The Levantine component is very minor and is also present as a spillover to all other neighboring and related populations, like Armenians/Assyrians and other Transcaucasians and Iranics. Even Georgians score it a little bit, as well as other Maykop-derived groups. White Syrians or other Mesopotamians could have also carried it there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    What the Levant DNA has to do with Ancient Greeks?Greek colonization in Pontus took place at '800 BC' and pretty much at the Archaic times and after...
    Well, I was thinking about how the Imperial Roman samples score Levantine too, but I probably got the chronology mixed up. Sorry about that.
    Quote Originally Posted by peloponnesian View Post
    Any decent calculator will show it. Peloponnesians score 25%-35% Yamnaya which is clearly higher than the Mycenean samples we have. But all these will be made clearer when (if) we get more Ancient Greek samples and even clearer if we get Late Antiquity samples from mainland Greece.
    Indeed, but I was wondering about modeling the entirety of the Slavic impact; what you are saying is true though, we simply lack samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bovefex View Post
    Well, I was thinking about how the Imperial Roman samples score Levantine too, but I probably got the chronology mixed up. Sorry about that.


    Indeed, but I was wondering about modeling the entirety of the Slavic impact; what you are saying is true though, we simply lack samples.
    Rome Imperial is much later.We have samples from classical Greeks and they lack Levant admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bovefex View Post
    Well, I was thinking about how the Imperial Roman samples score Levantine too, but I probably got the chronology mixed up. Sorry about that.


    Indeed, but I was wondering about modeling the entirety of the Slavic impact; what you are saying is true though, we simply lack samples.
    Check here the most levant shifted Greek Ethnic groups.





    Distance to: Levant_Yehud_IBA
    0.07079143 Cypriot
    0.08891095 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.09019467 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.09432026 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.09593224 Greek_Kos
    0.10026917 Greek_Crete
    0.10767236 Greek_Trabzon
    0.11775121 Greek_Izmir
    0.11887202 Greek_Laconia
    0.12529945 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.13497059 Greek_Thessaly
    0.13657824 Greek_Macedonia
    0.14026485 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Sidon_MBA
    0.05182379 Cypriot
    0.07209508 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.07483236 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.07656476 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.08011390 Greek_Kos
    0.08792711 Greek_Trabzon
    0.08893138 Greek_Crete
    0.10739607 Greek_Izmir
    0.10979052 Greek_Laconia
    0.11828133 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.13014189 Greek_Thessaly
    0.13230834 Greek_Macedonia
    0.13341451 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Shadud_MLBA
    0.05628517 Cypriot
    0.07512520 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.07591934 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.07758603 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.08054716 Greek_Kos
    0.09007394 Greek_Crete
    0.09202106 Greek_Trabzon
    0.10666532 Greek_Izmir
    0.10861190 Greek_Laconia
    0.11750871 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.12916393 Greek_Thessaly
    0.13172459 Greek_Macedonia
    0.13224924 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
    0.05459481 Cypriot
    0.07333288 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.07704504 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.07929438 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.08363602 Greek_Kos
    0.08838547 Greek_Trabzon
    0.09274686 Greek_Crete
    0.11128188 Greek_Izmir
    0.11441039 Greek_Laconia
    0.12228169 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.13412033 Greek_Thessaly
    0.13606472 Greek_Macedonia
    0.13747757 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Megiddo_IBA
    0.07339117 Cypriot
    0.09500828 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.09784175 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.09923421 Greek_Kos
    0.10027303 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.10670221 Greek_Crete
    0.11584477 Greek_Trabzon
    0.12276895 Greek_Laconia
    0.12318628 Greek_Izmir
    0.13227149 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.14474815 Greek_Thessaly
    0.14695570 Greek_Macedonia
    0.14741053 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Megiddo_IA
    0.05720268 Cypriot
    0.07357677 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.07873268 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.07974514 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.08516375 Greek_Kos
    0.09045846 Greek_Trabzon
    0.09125017 Greek_Crete
    0.11066230 Greek_Izmir
    0.11472212 Greek_Laconia
    0.12013054 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.13027831 Greek_Thessaly
    0.13210624 Greek_Macedonia
    0.13558255 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_LBN_Roman
    0.03479418 Cypriot
    0.05575312 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.05777028 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.05866135 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.06182685 Greek_Kos
    0.07154766 Greek_Crete
    0.07472567 Greek_Trabzon
    0.08979068 Greek_Izmir
    0.09333169 Greek_Laconia
    0.10159062 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.11311880 Greek_Thessaly
    0.11570573 Greek_Macedonia
    0.11635291 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_LBN_MA
    0.03610265 Cypriot
    0.05539040 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.05828759 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.05930578 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.06309451 Greek_Kos
    0.07200803 Greek_Crete
    0.07379235 Greek_Trabzon
    0.09109498 Greek_Izmir
    0.09502523 Greek_Laconia
    0.10296786 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.11367832 Greek_Thessaly
    0.11680275 Greek_Macedonia
    0.11777855 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Hazor_MLBA
    0.05851671 Cypriot
    0.07821667 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.08156393 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.08246085 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.08682990 Greek_Kos
    0.09368150 Greek_Trabzon
    0.09568335 Greek_Crete
    0.11405547 Greek_Izmir
    0.11613256 Greek_Laconia
    0.12452255 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.13639161 Greek_Thessaly
    0.13854299 Greek_Macedonia
    0.13985656 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
    0.09036137 Cypriot
    0.10997247 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.11412831 Greek_Kos
    0.11530888 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.11778858 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.11825560 Greek_Crete
    0.13132107 Greek_Trabzon
    0.13315112 Greek_Laconia
    0.13412911 Greek_Izmir
    0.14187578 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.15197259 Greek_Thessaly
    0.15463954 Greek_Macedonia
    0.15532385 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Beirut_IAIII
    0.03241958 Cypriot
    0.05573853 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.05653250 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.05811576 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.06093245 Greek_Kos
    0.07005883 Greek_Crete
    0.07607783 Greek_Trabzon
    0.08900062 Greek_Izmir
    0.09203230 Greek_Laconia
    0.10028208 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.11151697 Greek_Thessaly
    0.11432614 Greek_Macedonia
    0.11565276 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Beirut_IAII
    0.05446253 Cypriot
    0.07595585 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.07791962 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.07856668 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.08171463 Greek_Kos
    0.09007225 Greek_Crete
    0.09498236 Greek_Trabzon
    0.10759510 Greek_Izmir
    0.10916175 Greek_Laconia
    0.11757648 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.13007908 Greek_Thessaly
    0.13158064 Greek_Macedonia
    0.13258187 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic
    0.04937512 Cypriot
    0.06363340 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.06728244 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.06748283 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.07247664 Greek_Kos
    0.07746923 Greek_Trabzon
    0.07946726 Greek_Crete
    0.09865727 Greek_Izmir
    0.10381988 Greek_Laconia
    0.10981611 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.12003320 Greek_Thessaly
    0.12222605 Greek_Macedonia
    0.12406347 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Beirut_ERoman
    0.04478196 Cypriot
    0.06443754 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.06462967 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.06842687 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.07026689 Greek_Kos
    0.08045391 Greek_Trabzon
    0.08067717 Greek_Crete
    0.09796358 Greek_Izmir
    0.10090955 Greek_Laconia
    0.10987830 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.12209045 Greek_Thessaly
    0.12439041 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.12463458 Greek_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Baqah_BA
    0.05700965 Cypriot
    0.07737611 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.08000553 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.08123071 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.08489231 Greek_Kos
    0.09387422 Greek_Trabzon
    0.09420552 Greek_Crete
    0.11193647 Greek_Izmir
    0.11380576 Greek_Laconia
    0.12266389 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.13494969 Greek_Thessaly
    0.13706605 Greek_Macedonia
    0.13791972 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    0.04709226 Cypriot
    0.06390808 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.06781984 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.07054939 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.07497586 Greek_Kos
    0.08120923 Greek_Trabzon
    0.08338237 Greek_Crete
    0.10231294 Greek_Izmir
    0.10528731 Greek_Laconia
    0.11279586 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.12454228 Greek_Thessaly
    0.12618440 Greek_Macedonia
    0.12811604 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
    0.06040828 Cypriot
    0.08078819 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.08309129 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.08444629 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.08751401 Greek_Kos
    0.09499319 Greek_Trabzon
    0.09732270 Greek_Crete
    0.11509267 Greek_Izmir
    0.11751894 Greek_Laconia
    0.12621787 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.13805864 Greek_Thessaly
    0.14061277 Greek_Macedonia
    0.14077126 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Ashkelon_IA1
    0.03644389 Cypriot
    0.03913442 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.04225579 Greek_Kos
    0.04929416 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.05157089 Greek_Crete
    0.05217253 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.06624531 Greek_Izmir
    0.07018891 Greek_Laconia
    0.07693274 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.07716194 Greek_Trabzon
    0.08593996 Greek_Thessaly
    0.09073465 Greek_Macedonia
    0.09228205 Greek_Central_Macedonia

    Distance to: Levant_Abel_IA
    0.04872562 Cypriot
    0.06865521 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.07062705 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.07270774 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.07617344 Greek_Kos
    0.08555670 Greek_Trabzon
    0.08561930 Greek_Crete
    0.10390745 Greek_Izmir
    0.10577189 Greek_Laconia
    0.11501538 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.12625194 Greek_Thessaly
    0.12918962 Greek_Macedonia
    0.13014539 Greek_Central_Macedonia

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    A strong survey of classical Greek remains from all over the country will answer the Levant question. If Phoenicians made an impact in the Aegean in the Iron Age, we should see it in classical remains from Crete, Rhodes, etc. The Emporiote samples don't have it, but they may not be representative of the Aegean isles. If it doesn't show up until Hellenistic times, then an origin in Hellenized Levantines or Levantine Greeks is likely. Then again, no one ever mentions Cyprus as a potential source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    A strong survey of classical Greek remains from all over the country will answer the Levant question. If Phoenicians made an impact in the Aegean in the Iron Age, we should see it in classical remains from Crete, Rhodes, etc. The Emporiote samples don't have it, but they may not be representative of the Aegean isles. If it doesn't show up until Hellenistic times, then an origin in Hellenized Levantines or Levantine Greeks is likely. Then again, no one ever mentions Cyprus as a potential source.
    And of course the question remains, why is it only limited to off mainland Greece... it's easier to answer if it did indeed arrive from Phoenicians early on, but more more difficult if it won't show up until Hellenistic times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    And of course the question remains, why is it only limited to off mainland Greece... it's easier to answer if it did indeed arrive from Phoenicians early on, but more more difficult if it won't show up until Hellenistic times.
    Don't think you think Western Jewry might had an impact?South Italians should be inclunded in the Greco-Roman and Western Jewish world.

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