Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 14

Thread: Y-DNA distribution of Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians

  1. #1
    Registered Users
    Posts
    358
    Sex

    Y-DNA distribution of Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians

    The title says it all. Since there is a thread for Lebanon, I figured there should also be one for the others: Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians, since there seems to be less info about them. This way, we can get a better picture of the difference between Northern and Southern Levantines and also understand specifically how much the foreign cultures that came to dominate the region contributed to the paternal genepool of the inhabitants of the region.
    Anyways, for the sources I used two main studies: Zalloua et al. 2008b and El-Sibai et al. 2009. I also listed the haplogroups alphabetically.

    1049218527555.png

    (I'll be adding breakdown by subclades later)

    Edit: Link didn't work so I added it as an attachment.
    Last edited by Lupriac; 02-24-2021 at 09:33 PM.

  2. The Following 15 Users Say Thank You to Lupriac For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (02-24-2021),  Andrewid (03-31-2021),  Angoliga (02-24-2021),  drobbah (03-16-2021),  hartaisarlag (02-24-2021),  Helves (02-25-2021),  Jatt1 (02-24-2021),  jesus (04-13-2021),  Johane Derite (03-31-2021),  Johnny ola (02-24-2021),  Principe (03-16-2021),  royaljoker (02-24-2021),  sheepslayer (02-24-2021),  SUPREEEEEME (02-25-2021),  ThaYamamoto (02-24-2021)

  3. #2
    Registered Users
    Posts
    2,054
    Sex
    Y-DNA (P)
    G2a2b1 M406> FGC5081

    Their R1a lineages are indo-aryan? Do we have any idea witch branch they belong to??

  4. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Johnny ola For This Useful Post:

     Jatt1 (02-24-2021),  royaljoker (02-24-2021)

  5. #3
    Registered Users
    Posts
    594
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Assyrian
    Y-DNA (P)
    G1a
    mtDNA (M)
    I5b1

    Sweden
    Great initiative. Waiting for the subclades. A bit surprised to see Syrians with the most J1.

  6. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Helves For This Useful Post:

     Lupriac (03-16-2021),  Principe (03-16-2021)

  7. #4
    Registered Users
    Posts
    358
    Sex

    Unfortunately the subclade breakdown will take a while - to next week or after. I apologize for the delay.
    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    Their R1a lineages are indo-aryan? Do we have any idea witch branch they belong to??
    R1a lineages are mixed with R-Z93 and R-Z282 both occurring. However, R-Z282 shows up more than R-Z93 among Syrians, interesting case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helves View Post
    Great initiative. Waiting for the subclades. A bit surprised to see Syrians with the most J1.
    Thank you.

  8. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Lupriac For This Useful Post:

     Andrewid (03-31-2021),  Helves (03-16-2021),  Johnny ola (03-16-2021),  levantino II (03-16-2021),  Principe (03-16-2021)

  9. #5
    Registered Users
    Posts
    2,054
    Sex
    Y-DNA (P)
    G2a2b1 M406> FGC5081

    Quote Originally Posted by Lupriac View Post
    Unfortunately the subclade breakdown will take a while - to next week or after. I apologize for the delay.


    R1a lineages are mixed with R-Z93 and R-Z282 both occurring. However, R-Z282 shows up more than R-Z93 among Syrians, interesting case.


    Thank you.
    No problem.Do you have any idea what clades their 'G' are?

  10. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Johnny ola For This Useful Post:

     Jatt1 (03-31-2021),  Principe (03-16-2021)

  11. #6
    Registered Users
    Posts
    358
    Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    No problem.Do you have any idea what clades their 'G' are?
    I'm not done of the G-M201 yet but so far I've seen G-M406.
    Last edited by Lupriac; 03-16-2021 at 05:13 PM.

  12. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Lupriac For This Useful Post:

     Johnny ola (03-16-2021),  Principe (03-16-2021)

  13. #7
    Registered Users
    Posts
    411
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Jewish
    Nationality
    South African
    Y-DNA (P)
    J-L70
    mtDNA (M)
    HV1b2
    Y-DNA (M)
    J-L816

    Israel Jerusalem Star of David Israel South Africa
    Excited to see the J2 breakdown
    Other Y-DNA:

    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

    Target: SUPREEEEEME_scaled
    Distance: 2.2733% / 0.02273307
    37.6 Levant_Beirut_IAIII
    17.4 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    15.4 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
    7.8 DEU_MA
    7.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA
    6.4 Canary_Islands_Guanche
    6.0 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
    1.6 PAK_Barikot_H
    0.8 CHN_Chuanyun_Historic

  14. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to SUPREEEEEME For This Useful Post:

     Andrewid (03-31-2021),  Principe (03-16-2021),  StillWater (04-09-2021)

  15. #8
    Registered Users
    Posts
    358
    Sex

    So, I've finished the E, R1a, A and B individuals. With few STR markers given, fitting on deep/terminal branches was going to be hard except with distinct values. For "E" (and also R1a) So you will see plain labels frequently, "E1b1b", or "E1b1b M78", "E1b1b V22". The reason is that, for many of the samples, the predictor gave endless predictions for many branches with miniscule numbers, I believe it's attributable to the few STR markers filled and also to the fact the region is relatively undertested, so there's probably a significant number of unknown branches and subclades that still haven't been found and studied. Assume certain/more likely unless told otherwise. But for now I'll be posting the A, B and E first.

    Now, with the regards to the format I'm following, every "->" is an individual, just stating this in case. In my opinion it's better than just placing the number, but if you prefer the other way I have no problem. There's a few samples that I didn't use as they had very few STR's filled (for some reason), some didn't even have any, so just keep that in mind. For the Syrian samples they also mentioned provinces but I only remembered it after I had finished the E That would have made it more interesting, but I'll make sure mention the provinces in other haplogroups.

    A:

    Syrians:

    -> A1b1b2b M13 (Al-Raqqa)
    -> A1b1b2b M13 (Damascus)
    -> A1b1b2b M13 (Deir El Zour)


    Jordanians:

    -> A1b1b2b M13
    -> A (unsupported)

    B:

    Jordanians:
    -> B2a1 M218

    E1b1a:

    Jordanians:

    -> E1b1a V38>> M4231
    -> E1b1a V38>> M4231

    Syrians:

    -> E1b1a V38>> L485
    -> E1b1a V38>> L485
    -> E1b1a V38>> L485

    -> E1b1a V38>> M4231


    Palestinians:

    E1b1a V38>> M4231


    E1b1b:
    Jordanians:

    E-M78:

    -> E1b1b V12>V32
    -> E1b1b V12>V32
    -> E1b1b V12>V32
    -> E1b1b V12>V32
    -> E1b1b V12>CTS693
    -> E1b1b V12>CTS693
    -> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY7402
    -> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY7402
    -> E1b1b V22>> PH2818
    -> E1b1b V22>> PH2818
    -> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY7402
    -> E1b1b V22>> PH2818
    -> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY1984
    -> E1b1b V22
    -> E1b1b V22
    -> E1b1b V22

    -> E1b1b V13>>Z5018> A2192
    -> E1b1b V13> BY6550
    -> E1b1b V13
    -> E1b1b V13

    -> E1b1b L67
    -> E1b1b L67

    -> E1b1b M78
    -> E1b1b M78
    -> E1b1b M78
    -> E1b1b M78
    -> E1b1b M78
    -> E1b1b M78
    -> E1b1b M78


    E-L19:

    -> E1b1b V257>M81>> PF2546> MZ99
    -> E1b1b V257>M81>> PF2546> MZ99
    -> E1b1b V257>M81>> PF2546
    -> E1b1b V257>M81
    -> E1b1b V257>M81


    E-Z830:

    -> E1b1b V1515> PH1818
    -> E1b1b V1515> V1700
    -> E1b1b V1515> V1700

    -> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y4971>Y6923
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841

    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
    -> E1b1b M123> PF4428
    -> E1b1b M123> PF4428


    Unknown/Unsupported branch:

    -> E1b1b
    -> E1b1b
    -> E1b1b
    -> E1b1b
    -> E1b1b
    -> E1b1b
    -> E1b1b
    -> E1b1b
    -> E1b1b
    -> E1b1b
    -> E1b1b
    -> E1b1b


    Palestinians:

    E-M78:

    -> E1b1b V12> BY8673 (likely CTS693 instead)
    -> E1b1b V12> BY8673 (likely CTS693 instead)
    -> E1b1b V12>BY8200
    -> E1b1b V12>V32
    -> E1b1b V12

    -> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> PH2121
    -> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY1984 (medium probability)
    -> E1b1b V22>> PH2818
    -> E1b1b V22>> BY7446
    -> E1b1b V22
    -> E1b1b V22
    -> E1b1b V22
    -> E1b1b V22
    -> E1b1b V22
    -> E1b1b V22

    -> E1b1b V13>>Z5017>> BY4610
    -> E1b1b V13
    -> E1b1b V13
    -> E1b1b V13
    -> E1b1b V13
    -> E1b1b V13
    -> E1b1b V13
    -> E1b1b V13

    -> E1b1b L618>BY6630
    -> E1b1b L618
    -> E1b1b L618 (uncertain if V13+)

    -> E1b1b L67

    -> E1b1b M78
    -> E1b1b M78
    -> E1b1b M78
    -> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
    -> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
    -> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
    -> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
    -> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
    -> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
    -> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)


    E-Z830:

    -> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Z21466
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Z21466
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Z21466
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> BY45411
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> BY45411
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y2947
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Z21466
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y2947 (medium probability)

    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> FT81636
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> Y6200
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> Y6200
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> Y6200 (medium probability)
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> Y6200 (medium probability)
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84

    -> E1b1b M123* (xM34)
    -> E1b1b M123* (xM34)

    -> E1b1b M123
    -> E1b1b M123
    -> E1b1b M123
    -> E1b1b M123


    Syrians:

    E-M78:

    -> E1b1b V12>CTS693
    -> E1b1b V12>CTS693
    -> E1b1b V12>CTS693
    -> E1b1b V12>V32

    -> E1b1b V22
    -> E1b1b V22
    -> E1b1b V22
    -> E1b1b V22
    -> E1b1b V22
    -> E1b1b V22
    -> E1b1b V22

    -> E1b1b V13
    -> E1b1b V13 >> Z16663
    -> E1b1b V13
    -> E1b1b V13

    -> E1b1b L67

    -> E1b1b M78
    -> E1b1b M78
    -> E1b1b M78


    E-L19:

    -> E1b1b V257>M81>> PF2546> MZ99
    -> E1b1b V257>M81
    -> E1b1b V257>M81


    E-Z830:

    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84 (E-Y5435?)
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> M84

    -> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y4971>Y6923
    -> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y4971>Y6923

    -> E1b1b M123
    -> E1b1b M123

    -> E1b1b Z830 (uncertain, M123+ or not)
    -> E1b1b Z830

    Unknown/unsupported branch:

    -> An ambiguous E1b1b branch with DYS388=17
    -> E1b1b
    -> E1b1b
    -> E1b1b
    Last edited by Lupriac; 03-30-2021 at 10:41 PM.

  16. The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to Lupriac For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (03-31-2021),  Andrewid (03-31-2021),  drobbah (03-30-2021),  Helves (04-03-2021),  Jatt1 (03-31-2021),  Johane Derite (03-31-2021),  Kapisa (03-30-2021),  leorcooper19 (03-30-2021),  Principe (03-30-2021),  StillWater (04-09-2021),  SUPREEEEEME (03-31-2021),  ThaYamamoto (03-31-2021)

  17. #9
    Registered Users
    Posts
    158
    Location
    US
    Ethnicity
    Jewish & British
    Y-DNA (P)
    E-Y140446
    mtDNA (M)
    H4a1a4b2
    Y-DNA (M)
    I-Z60
    mtDNA (P)
    V7a7a2

    Lupriac, could you share how many STRs were used for the Syrian Y6923 individuals? Thanks!
     
    My avatar is paleoart of a Neanderthal child by Tom Björklund, check him out: Hidden Content

  18. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to leorcooper19 For This Useful Post:

     Agamemnon (03-31-2021),  hartaisarlag (03-30-2021),  Principe (03-31-2021),  StillWater (04-09-2021),  SUPREEEEEME (03-31-2021)

  19. #10
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    1,675
    Sex
    Omitted
    Location
    Arabsiyo,Somaliland
    Nationality
    Canadian
    Y-DNA (P)
    E-V32>E-FT385910
    mtDNA (M)
    L0a1d
    Y-DNA (M)
    T-FGC92488

    Somaliland Adal Sultanate Yemen African Union Canada
    Is this from ftdna? I've seen 4 Jordanian E-V32 (one of whom is E-BY7964*), one Palestinian and a Sunni Lebanese from Tripoli

    Edit: There's a second E-V32 Palestinian (قبيلة اللهيب)
    Last edited by drobbah; 03-30-2021 at 11:00 PM.
    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 2.8833% / 0.02883253
    93.8 Somali
    6.2 Yemenite_Dhamar

    FTDNA myorigins 3.0:
    Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia & Somalia
    94%
    Yemenite Jewish
    6%

  20. The Following User Says Thank You to drobbah For This Useful Post:

     Deftextra (04-05-2021)

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Modeling Syrians on G25...
    By Censored in forum Western
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 12-09-2019, 04:41 AM
  2. Distribution map of Y-DNA L
    By Passa in forum L
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 12-05-2017, 08:41 PM
  3. Distribution map of Y-DNA A
    By Passa in forum A
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 09-11-2017, 10:54 PM
  4. i found a website focused on palestinians dna.
    By crossover in forum General
    Replies: 29
    Last Post: 12-15-2015, 10:12 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •