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    Is it worth me doing Big Y-700?

    Hi folks, so I've been testing with YSEQ (J2b2 > Z2432 > ... > J-Y62635) and currently waiting for primers to test J-FT19403. Is it worth me doing the Big Y-700 or should I stick with what I've got so far?

    I've checked this https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y62635/ and this is kind of the last known branch that I can test for. Will I learn anything new/different if I do the Big Y-700?

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    Why BigY and not WGS400 from YSEQ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by losAntonis View Post
    Why BigY and not WGS400 from YSEQ?
    Or the WGS from Nabula Genomics or Dante Labs if doesn't care much about STRs, of course WGS400 is best, Nabula better and Dente is just okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlluGobi View Post
    Hi folks, so I've been testing with YSEQ (J2b2 > Z2432 > ... > J-Y62635) and currently waiting for primers to test J-FT19403. Is it worth me doing the Big Y-700 or should I stick with what I've got so far?

    I've checked this https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y62635/ and this is kind of the last known branch that I can test for. Will I learn anything new/different if I do the Big Y-700?
    Personally, I would go with the new YSEQ WGS400 test and then join YFull’s Group at YSEQ. Which would allow you to have your Y & mtDNA automatically uploaded to YFull (for $45). Then you could have YSEQ make up an autosomal file (in the 23&me format) that you could uploaded to My Heritage, FTDNA, Gedmatch or Eurogenes, among others places.

    Have you done any testing at Family Tree and if so do you have any matches there? Apparently, you already have an academic sample at YFull that you’ll match, to one degree or the other. A lot depends on how interested you are in the subject and in having your sample on the tree. The TMRCA for J-Y62635 is pretty far back in time, so it may take a long time before you start getting anywhere near the modern era.

    Anyway, good luck whatever you decide to do.
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    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    With all the other options available to you today, FTDNA doesnít seem to offer much value to the consumer these days. Not saying Iím disappointed with my Big Y results and files etc... but I think you will get more bang for your buck elsewhere. From what I gather they are charging extra money for a .BAM file which is absurd. For that reason alone Iíd likely look elsewhere if I were in your position.
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    Thanks for your suggestions, fellas. I'm going to reconsider and look at WGS400 in more detail, appreciate the help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlluGobi View Post
    Thanks for your suggestions, fellas. I'm going to reconsider and look at WGS400 in more detail, appreciate the help!
    Just out of curiosity, have you done any testing at Family Tree?
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    Just out of curiosity, have you done any testing at Family Tree?
    I haven't personally no, but my dad's Family Finder kit is currently being analysed.

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    There are endless debates about comparisons between tests because aligners and quality criteria differ between the companies, but (very) early data on the WGS400 test says it has slightly higher coverage than the Big Y700; about 7% more on an apples-to-apples comparison (Y-DNA Warehouse).

    If we had the money, the best option really is testing with multiple companies so you get the combined results of several different approaches but most of us struggle just to pay for one. If you're in that boat too, at least as of right now since the WGS400 is also about US$150 cheaper (including BAM file) at non-sale prices just as a testing option it is more attractive.

    The usual counter in FTDNA's favor is the larger size of their matching database, but that value depends a lot on what part of the world you're from since all testing databases are weighted more heavily to the English-speaking countries of European descent. In your case when I look at the FTDNA haplotree (at J-FT24324 which is their equivalent to J-Y62635) I see that they have three testers; an Afghan, a Bahrani, and a Kuwaiti. Presumably the Bahrani is the same tester as the one under YFull and I would assume the other tester under these branches in YFull is NOT in the FTDNA database (since he shows as Pakistani) unless someone is playing games with their country flags across the two databases.

    Because they have 3 testers where YFull has 2, FTDNA have been able to put a little more definition on these branches, they show all three of their testers under J-FT19403 and then the two from Bahrain and Kuwait split immediately off into a separate haplogroup under J-FT14578. Those two then share another 18 SNPs until their common ancestor who is still likely more than 600 years ago at a rough guess.

    Anyway so YFull and FTDNA have a few different testers but it's not an order of magnitude difference on the branching. If the choice was just based on matches then FTDNA has a tiny edge there, but that could change at any time of course too if any of the other FTDNA testers decided to upload to YFull or new testers come along. Again ideally you'd want to have a test in both databases for comparison with every match, but that's not always feasible. You could also track down the two guys from Bahrain and Afghanistan and pay for their BAM files to provide to YFull but in total that option comes out at about the same price as a test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlluGobi View Post
    I haven't personally no, but my dad's Family Finder kit is currently being analysed.
    Okay, thanks, because if you had done some ydna testing at Family Tree that would change the calculations. As an upgrade to Y700 would be cheaper than the standard or sale price for the same. At any rate, that doesn't apply in your case.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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