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    Question Presence of Peninsular Arab in Southern Europeans

    This thread is meant to discuss the presence of Peninsular Arab Dna (Saudi, Yemeni, Omani, Bedouin) in Southern Europeans. Is this ancestry common in Southern Europeans or other non-Arab groups? Also,
    Can someone analyze if my Dna has any Yemeni in it? I have recently heard a story that my great-great grandmother may have been Yemeni.

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    If it is at all present i would look for it in Malta since they speak an Arab-Italian creole. Other than that Phoenician ancestry is present in small levels arround the Mediterranean and Cypriots have a pretty good chunk of Levantine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasil View Post
    If it is at all present i would look for it in Malta since they speak an Arab-Italian creole. Other than that Phoenician ancestry is present in small levels arround the Mediterranean and Cypriots have a pretty good chunk of Levantine.
    Phoenician does seem rather evident in italian populations. Especially in South Italy, I've seen reports with up to 30% West Asian. Was there a recent migration to Italy or is this remnants of older dna?
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    Southern Europe has been settled by people with post-Neolithic MENA ancestry since the Iron Age, with much of the gene flow coming from North Africa and the Levant. Arabians are fairly easy to distinguish from North Africans and Levantines when we're talking about full-blooded people, but given that the MENA in Iberians and Italians is minor and likely sourced from different peoples across time, good luck trying to sort out what came from where. Uniparentals might be helpful.
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    Thank you! How would I go about with uniparentals? Also good to see another Floridian here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    Southern Europe has been settled by people with post-Neolithic MENA ancestry since the Iron Age, with much of the gene flow coming from North Africa and the Levant. Arabians are fairly easy to distinguish from North Africans and Levantines when we're talking about full-blooded people, but given that the MENA in Iberians and Italians is minor and likely sourced from different peoples across time, good luck trying to sort out what came from where. Uniparentals might be helpful.
    How could I go about doing a Uniparental

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    No discerned Arab ancestry had been reported in Southern Italy/Sicily because the settlers were largely Moors/Berbers/Amaziɣ from Tunisia/East Algeria who got arabized in-situ, and Maltese isn't a direct dialect of Arabic but a specific dialect of the Tunisian phylum (characterized by local Roman era influence and many Amaziɣ loandwords).
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    My father is 50/50 English and Croatian, and consistently gets Saudi or a Yemeni population on most calculators. I'm yet to work out why, but I suppose it's possible that some southern Europeans inherited minor amounts of these components.

    Distance: 1.1389% / 0.01138867 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    36.6 German_East
    18.6 English
    17.6 French_Seine-Maritime
    10.2 French_Pas-de-Calais
    9.4 Cossack_Kuban
    6.0 Mountain_Jew
    1.6 Saudi
    Ancestry on paper: English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Croatian, Ashkenazi, Polish and Māori.

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    This is really cool! You’re father and mine seem to have similar ancestry and my father gets Saudi as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalkanKiwi View Post
    My father is 50/50 English and Croatian, and consistently gets Saudi or a Yemeni population on most calculators. I'm yet to work out why, but I suppose it's possible that some southern Europeans inherited minor amounts of these components.

    Distance: 1.1389% / 0.01138867 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    36.6 German_East
    18.6 English
    17.6 French_Seine-Maritime
    10.2 French_Pas-de-Calais
    9.4 Cossack_Kuban
    6.0 Mountain_Jew
    1.6 Saudi
    Do you think the Saudi could be an offshoot of the Mountain Jew? I know mountain jews are not from the Arabian peninsula but perhaps it could be..

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