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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    Dmn dude you are so mixed xDDD

    EV13 is a European marker.If its coming from your Polish ancestors then i suspect some balkan/Vlach related admixture.. not sure.
    Haha I'm American so it is very chaotic trying to figure out where my ancestors came from. Other than my moms side I don't know anything past 4 generations lol. I'm trying to decipher the non-European I have.

    EV13 makes sense then since my dad resembles an Albanian or Macedonian alot it seems. Here is my picture and also my dad:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokoski View Post
    Haha I'm American so it is very chaotic trying to figure out where my ancestors came from. Other than my moms side I don't know anything past 4 generations lol. I'm trying to decipher the non-European I have.

    EV13 makes sense then since my dad resembles an Albanian or Macedonian alot it seems. Here is my picture:
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    I don't think you have something non-european in your autosomal.You look south european thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 23abc View Post
    Turkish_Rumeli is not related to North African/Arabs at all, they are Turks of mostly Balkan origin...
    Oh; Wow I should have figured that. My other breakdown is this:

    Target: (Ancient)Jacob12086
    Distance: 1.0224% / 0.01022412
    34.0 Italian_Northeast
    22.8 Shetlandic
    18.4 Slovakian
    16.4 French_Paris
    1.6 Berber_MAR_TIZ
    1.6 Greenlander_East
    1.6 Itelmen
    1.4 Macedonian
    0.6 Biaka
    0.6 Pulliyar
    0.4 Ju_hoan_North
    0.4 Mbuti
    0.2 Khomani_San

    Using ph2ter's scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    I don't think you have something non-european in your autosomal.You look south european thought...
    Cool This is all so interesting to figure out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalkanKiwi View Post
    My father is 50/50 English and Croatian, and consistently gets Saudi or a Yemeni population on most calculators. I'm yet to work out why, but I suppose it's possible that some southern Europeans inherited minor amounts of these components.

    Distance: 1.1389% / 0.01138867 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    36.6 German_East
    18.6 English
    17.6 French_Seine-Maritime
    10.2 French_Pas-de-Calais
    9.4 Cossack_Kuban
    6.0 Mountain_Jew
    1.6 Saudi
    Do you think the Saudi could be an offshoot of the Mountain Jew? I know mountain jews are not from the Arabian peninsula but perhaps it could be..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokoski View Post
    Yeah I have that's where I got her reported dna from. I wonder if I forgot to put in the wrong kit? When I got G25 I put in my grandmothers on one of them but didn't keep track, so I may have uploaded the wrong kit. I had a run that came out like this:

    Target: Jacob12086
    Distance: 1.3429% / 0.01342944
    42.4 Shetlandic
    14.4 Maltese
    10.4 Portuguese
    8.4 Lithuanian_RA
    7.8 Turkish_Rumeli
    7.4 Cossack_Kuban
    2.6 Basque_Spanish
    1.6 Greenlander_East
    1.6 Nivkh
    1.4 Pulliyar
    0.8 Biaka
    0.6 Ju_hoan_North
    0.6 Mbuti

    Which seems much more likely if you replace the Turkish with North African/Arab
    You scored Maltese which is consistent with having some Calabrian ancestry I guess.

    Is your Swedish side American? If so, You probably trace back to Småland, and possibly Skåne also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    You scored Maltese which is consistent with having some Calabrian ancestry I guess.

    Is your Swedish side American? If so, You probably trace back to Småland, and possibly Skåne also.
    Yes it is. You know it's funny; my grandmother is a second generation but knew very little about her Swedish. Her family appears to be from Smaland and her grandmother I believe was Saami; hence the confusion in my dna for Nivkh and Greenlander.

    I believe the Maltese is accurate as well as my maternal surname is Vitetta, which can be seen as an Italicized version of Valletta, the capital of Malta

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    Southern Europe has been settled by people with post-Neolithic MENA ancestry since the Iron Age, with much of the gene flow coming from North Africa and the Levant. Arabians are fairly easy to distinguish from North Africans and Levantines when we're talking about full-blooded people, but given that the MENA in Iberians and Italians is minor and likely sourced from different peoples across time, good luck trying to sort out what came from where. Uniparentals might be helpful.
    How could I go about doing a Uniparental

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokoski View Post
    Yeah I have that's where I got her reported dna from. I wonder if I forgot to put in the wrong kit? When I got G25 I put in my grandmothers on one of them but didn't keep track, so I may have uploaded the wrong kit.
    Sorry, I'm very confused here. In the OP you posted 2 G25 coords (scaled & unscaled), and both coords are of yourself and pretty much can be modelled the same way. So it seems you have purchased 2 coordinates from different raw files (probably from different companies?). So if not G25, do you have your mother's Eurogenes K13 percentages, or the percentages from some other gedmatch calculator?

    When modelling G25, I strongly suggest avoiding unscaled coordinates, and avoid overfitting with many populations. For foreign admixture, it seems there is a chance you might have some trace SSA admixture, but that can just be random noise. Judging by everything so far, I'd say you're pretty much 100% European. Maybe your mother's coordinates / gedmatch runs could show otherwise, so if you can, please share them.
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