India’s largest known burial site is 3,800 yrs old, confirms carbon dating

[agent_lime]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/74254040.cms

Carbon dating tests have confirmed that India’s largest known necropolis in UP’s
— where 126 burials have been discovered until now — is 3,800 years old. The elaborate burials, which included underground chambers, decorated legged coffins and rice in pots buried with the bodies, belong to an indigenous warrior tribe which inhabited the region, according to the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI).
Excavations in Sanauli, 68 km from Delhi in UP’s Baghpat district, started first in 2005 and resumed in 2018, paving the way for discovery of horse-drawn chariots, burials, four-legged wooden coffins, pottery, a copper antenna sword, war shields.

I have been seeing this on social media as proof that no Aryans existed. Would be great if we could get some samples. Anyone know if they have gotten anything useful out?

[CopperAxe]

I just want to point out that this wagon under no circumstances could actually have been a fast-moving vehicle pulled by horses.

In my opinion it is quite clearly a modified bullock cart pulled by oxen, if you simply look at the design of the pole and compare it to an actual chariot. Chariot poles have an upward bend to not interfere with the gait of running horses as well as to tilt the chariot slightly so that the rider stands straight on the platform. When attached to a horse this wagon would tilt too far backwards and the pole would be in the way of the two horses.

Not to mention the frame of the wheels and most importantly the solid wheels itself.

Dont be surprised if the people here had 0 to do with actual Indo-Aryans based on genetic data.

[deuterium_1]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/74254040.cms



I have been seeing this on social media as proof that no Aryans existed. Would be great if we could get some samples. Anyone know if they have gotten anything useful out?

It clearly isn't a spoked wheel chariot like which the Sintashta used:

[Shujauddin]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/74254040.cms



I have been seeing this on social media as proof that no Aryans existed. Would be great if we could get some samples. Anyone know if they have gotten anything useful out?

Chariot got discovered but how does it prove existence or non existence of Aryan or any other race?

[deuterium_1]

Chariot got discovered but how does it prove existence or non existence of Aryan or any other race?

Such assertions are politically motivated:

https://theprint.in/india/thakur-ram...istory/605677/

[Coldmountains]

Such assertions are politically motivated:

https://theprint.in/india/thakur-ram...istory/605677/

It is somehow ironic that the nation, which preserved by far the most literature, rituals, religions and traditions of ancient Indo-Iranians/Aryans has the biggest number of people denying it migration or even existence as a originally distinct ethnolinguistic group from other non-IE South Asians. But this sentiment was to a large extent fuelled/provocated by 19th century western "Aryanism" and racism. And still you have such kind of voices in social media... In the end, i see it as a very fascinating story of how the symbiosis of CWC/Steppe MLBA pastoralists, BMAC and IVC agriculturists + of course other local South Asians formed the core culture, language and identity of the Indian subcontinent.

[Biharguy]

It is somehow ironic that the nation, which preserved by far the most literature, rituals, religions and traditions of ancient Indo-Iranians/Aryans has the biggest number of people denying it migration or even existence as a originally distinct ethnolinguistic group from other non-IE South Asians. But this sentiment was to a large extent fuelled/provocated by 19th century western "Aryanism" and racism. And still you have such kind of voices in social media... In the end, i see it as a very fascinating story of how the symbiosis of CWC/Steppe MLBA pastoralists, BMAC and IVC agriculturists + of course other local South Asians formed the core culture, language and identity of the Indian subcontinent.

It has much to do with the fact they can't come to grips that some of the Indic religions may have derived from outside the Indian Subcontinent, particularly from anything affiliated with Europeans. It's unfortunate. India has always been about synthesis of religions and cultures. It's what made the land great and diverse. Yes there may have been conquest and fighting, but this is not an uncommon thing in history.

I think it all derives from a sense of insecurity and inferiority.

[agent_lime]

It is somehow ironic that the nation, which preserved by far the most literature, rituals, religions and traditions of ancient Indo-Iranians/Aryans has the biggest number of people denying it migration or even existence as a originally distinct ethnolinguistic group from other non-IE South Asians. But this sentiment was to a large extent fuelled/provocated by 19th century western "Aryanism" and racism. And still you have such kind of voices in social media... In the end, i see it as a very fascinating story of how the symbiosis of CWC/Steppe MLBA pastoralists, BMAC and IVC agriculturists + of course other local South Asians formed the core culture, language and identity of the Indian subcontinent.

While I agree that denying is wrong, there is a large vocal minority that is doing this. We have 600 million Indians online, and the ones doing this is probably in hundreds, at most a few thousand. Most Indians aren't anti science since religion isn't usually mixed with education. This government will be gone one day and we will be back to usual on the genome release.

The other issue is that this could become a national issue in India that highlights that most castes are very different. That doesn't work for national unity. All of South Asia has rabid nationalists that defy logic, and that includes India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

I don't want this thread to get into the political realm so I'll stop here.

[deuterium_1]

While I agree that denying is wrong, there is a large vocal minority that is doing this. We have 600 million Indians online, and the ones doing this is probably in hundreds, at most a few thousand. Most Indians aren't anti science since religion isn't usually mixed with education. This government will be gone one day and we will be back to usual on the genome release.

The other issue is that this could become a national issue in India that highlights that most castes are very different. That doesn't work for national unity. All of South Asia has rabid nationalists that defy logic, and that includes India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

I don't want this thread to get into the political realm so I'll stop here.

Vasant Shinde's interpretation of the Rakhigarhi paper is a classic example of this.

[Shujauddin]

It is somehow ironic that the nation, which preserved by far the most literature, rituals, religions and traditions of ancient Indo-Iranians/Aryans has the biggest number of people denying it migration or even existence as a originally distinct ethnolinguistic group from other non-IE South Asians. But this sentiment was to a large extent fuelled/provocated by 19th century western "Aryanism" and racism. And still you have such kind of voices in social media... In the end, i see it as a very fascinating story of how the symbiosis of CWC/Steppe MLBA pastoralists, BMAC and IVC agriculturists + of course other local South Asians formed the core culture, language and identity of the Indian subcontinent.

To me the a claim that " I am there since the beginning. I am the original ! I am the start and I am the end " is unrealistic and based on current day pseudo patriotism.