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    Question Linguistic Diversity in Siberia

    I was wondering as to what extent the various indigenous languages in Siberia are related and/or different? Do they share a common linguistic origin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokoski View Post
    I was wondering as to what extent the various indigenous languages in Siberia are related and/or different? Do they share a common linguistic origin?
    Circumpolar peoples and their languages: lexical and genomic data suggest ancient Chukotko-Kamchatkan–Nivkh and Yukaghir-Samoyedic connections

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...02.27.433193v1

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladimirTaraskin View Post
    Circumpolar peoples and their languages: lexical and genomic data suggest ancient Chukotko-Kamchatkan–Nivkh and Yukaghir-Samoyedic connections

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...02.27.433193v1
    This is far from proven - the suspicions start from the etymological judgment of single words: if a linguist thinks they are cognates, of course the result also shows accordingly. Starostin is known of his positive stand on distant relatedness, so his method is less critical than the method of linguists who do not see distant relatedness between language families.

    DNA of course can never testify for the linguistic relatedness.

    So far nobody has been able to prove any distant relatedness between language families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaska View Post
    This is far from proven - the suspicions start from the etymological judgment of single words: if a linguist thinks they are cognates, of course the result also shows accordingly. Starostin is known of his positive stand on distant relatedness, so his method is less critical than the method of linguists who do not see distant relatedness between language families.

    DNA of course can never testify for the linguistic relatedness.

    So far nobody has been able to prove any distant relatedness between language families.
    Linguistics is not mathematics, you think that no one has managed to prove the relationship between languages, and this group thinks that they have managed to prove such a relationship

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladimirTaraskin View Post
    Linguistics is not mathematics, you think that no one has managed to prove the relationship between languages, and this group thinks that they have managed to prove such a relationship
    In linguistics, there are firm results and then there are weaker results. This represents the weaker results, and I know already now, that only based on this study, the mainstream will never accept the results. Their method can't stand the critique: it cannot even prove such a thing, it can only offer something to study further with more reliable methods.
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    Its also not true that linguists are somehow universally biased against long-range relationships. The Dene-Yeniseian connection may be more than 10,000 years old, but the matches in paradigmatic morphology are definitely there and--whats more--show regular sound correspondences. This has resulted in near-universal acceptance of this theory, despite the implausibility of trans-Beringian connections on the face of it and the virtual absence of lexical cognates. People can try as hard as they can to show two families are related, but if the body of evidence is of poor quality no amount of piling it up will get you any closer.
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