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    Determining my specific subclade

    Hey all,

    I used to be somewhat up-to-date when it came to genetics but haven't really looked into things for like a decade so I'm basically a newbie now.

    So I took a Y-DNA hapologroup test with FTDNA many years ago and was R1b - M269



    For me to determine what my exact subclade is, would the "R1b - M343&M269 Backbone SNP Pack" be enough or am I potentially going to have to keep on purchasing more of these SNP packs if my Y-dna is further 'downstream'?

    Or am I actually confirmed to be R1b - M269 and nothing further is needed to be tested? I have a feeling that I had to pay for extra testing to determine me being M269 in the first place.

    I had my STR markers done upto 37 done if that is of any relevance. My background is Turkish if relevant.

    They don't have my sample anymore so I would have to resubmit it.

    Advice would be appreciated
    Last edited by zxspectrum; 03-02-2021 at 04:01 PM.

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    Welcome to the forums - my understanding is that FTDNA will give you a general prediction of R-M269 from STRs (regardless of how many you test) until you test SNPs. I won't provide specific advice on R1b as I'm less familiar with that haplogroup than some, but I'm sure someone else will comment.

    If you haven't already, there are two things I would recommend: 1) join the R1b all subclades project at FTDNA - go here while you're logged into your FTDNA account and click join https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b/about admins will look at your STR results and see if they can place you by comparison with other kits in the database; and 2) enter you STR markers in the Nevgen predictor here https://www.nevgen.org/

    With only 37 markers, there might not be enough data to make an accurate prediction, but both are a free analysis of results you already have, so there's nothing to lose. It may be that either suggests something that points you in the right direction.
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    No you are only confirmed down to M269 in the tree which is actually very high up (ie old). You will have to do further pack/panel testing or do a sequencing test to progress, depending on your budget and how badly you want the most precise haplogroup available.
    For example I am FGC5862 and that is 19 levels lower down than M269 as you will see from the tabs at the top of this page:

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    Quote Originally Posted by zxspectrum View Post
    Hey all,
    For me to determine what my exact subclade is, would the "R1b - M343&M269 Backbone SNP Pack" be enough or am I potentially going to have to keep on purchasing more of these SNP packs if my Y-dna is further 'downstream'?
    Advice would be appreciated
    If you want to have your exact subclade, then you should order BigY700 or do a WGS test and an analysis at Yfull. If you cannot afford BigY, then upgrading to Y111 and saving some money for future upgrade to BigY is a much better option, than buying a SNP Pack and single SNP. With BigY you will get all possible SNPs and future subclade upgrades when someone else from your subclade gets BigY.

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