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    I-Z17855 origins

    Hey, I'm curious about this subclade, I-Z17855. Anyone know anything about its genetic origin?

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    Slavic, so spread with their movements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broder View Post
    Slavic, so spread with their movements.
    Ah okay, I've seen theories that it was brought by the Bastarni, I guess it's already concluded that it's a Slavic marker. Interesting since a family tested in Sandzak were I-Z17855, but swore that their ancestors were Albanian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excine View Post
    Ah okay, I've seen theories that it was brought by the Bastarni, I guess it's already concluded that it's a Slavic marker. Interesting since a family tested in Sandzak were I-Z17855, but swore that their ancestors were Albanian.
    Bastarni theory was simply created by some Serbs with absolutely no basis or evidence whatsoever. Not even worth mentioning.

    Plenty of Albanians belong to this lineage today. However, that doesn't mean that they are Slavs, but their ancestors few hundred years ago, or more distantly depending on the clan/family, most certainly were.
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    Ah okay, thanks for clearing up. You're right about that, haplogroup shouldn't be the main determining factor of current day ethnicity.

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    From L621 to S20602 everything is probably Celtic and from S20602 below its Slavic with it being brought to Balto-Slavic area by Boi. Z17855 is a Bulgarian/Eastern Balkan Slavic branch most likely brought with the Antes and in Albanians its definitely Albanised Southwestern Bulgarian(Macedonia) lines.

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    Yes, I-Y3120 (aka YP196 aka S20602) seems to be very Slavic. Everything below Y3120 is connected to the Slavic migrations.

    Pheter from this forum made a good map for Z17855 - it is a Bulgarian branch, roughly said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasil View Post
    From L621 to S20602 everything is probably Celtic and from S20602 below its Slavic with it being brought to Balto-Slavic area by Boi. Z17855 is a Bulgarian/Eastern Balkan Slavic branch most likely brought with the Antes and in Albanians its definitely Albanised Southwestern Bulgarian(Macedonia) lines.
    That is ridiculous. By the same logic we could say that PH908 is a Serbian branch, which would be false of course, just like your statement above. The mere fact that its (Z17855) TMRCA predates Slavic migrations makes it Slavic, claiming anything more than that would be special pleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    That is ridiculous. By the same logic we could say that PH908 is a Serbian branch, which would be false of course, just like your statement above. The mere fact that its (Z17855) TMRCA predates Slavic migrations makes it Slavic, claiming anything more than that would be special pleading.
    I am standing behing my statement completely I do agree that Z17855 outside of the Balkans is of pre-Bulgarian Slavic origin but in the Balkans it is definitely from Antes migrating to Eastern Balkans(maybe also Y18331) to later become Bulgarians as far as its presence in Western Balkans is concerned I would even go as far as to say that it spread there during the expansion of the First Bulgarian Empire during Krums dynasty and just to prove that i am not at all unreasonable i will say that i do think that ALL PH908 in the Balkans is originaly Serbian and maybe some S17250>PH908- and there is for sure Serbian input in Western Bulgaria and its strongest in Northwestern Bulgaria where we only have a single Z17855 and its from a village that had settlers from Teteven area(where my father is actually from) which is at the western edge of Central Balkan Mountains on the border with Shops/Torlaks/Northwestern Bulgarians. As far as ethnic identification is concerned i have no problem with people identifying however they want like my PH908 ancestors identified as Bulgarians at least since the Late Middle Ages Z17855 guys from the Western Balkans can identify as Serbs, Macedonians, Albanians but i dont agree with changing history for the sake of an ideology.

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