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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    I know that they all speak Tagalog since that seems to be the lingua franca of them all. There are a few from Luzon at my work as well. I can ask a few of them the next time that I see them at work if they can speak Malay or Indonesian.
    Yep thank you very much. I would expect the Muslim ones to know some Malay or Indonesian since they seem more culturally and religious closer to Indonesia and Malaysia than to their predominantly Christian neighbors to the north.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    The Javanese samples don't really show any Yemeni or African ancestry (Hadhramawt is heavily Bantu admixed) which isn't superising since once the Yemenis established and initially intermarry they probably remained quite endogamous.There was an Indonesian user descended from the famous Hashemite Ba'alawi clan and he was if I recall correctly predominantly Arabian + Horner with significant SE Asian & minor South Asian ancestry yet his family has been in Indonesia for generations according to him.

    I do wonder why these Filipinos score Yemeni when there wasn't really much permanent Arab settlement over there.Perhaps this Yemeni ancestry was mediated by Malays from Borneo? But besides some Malay elites and royal houses I doubt that there was enough arab admixed Malays to impact the population.Either these samples are outliers from a specific muslim community or this is just noise imo.I am leaning toward the latter tbh
    Well it seems like around 2% of the Phils population or around 2.2 million have partial Arab ancestry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_...rab%20ancestry.

    You are right, these samples could come from a Moro/Muslim community in Mindanao or could be noise. If it is indeed noise, could these Arab affinities actually be Indian (Iran_N) or Spanish ancestry instead since these Filipinos also score them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsakhur View Post
    What is his background if you don't mind me asking? Maybe the Macedonian, Sardinian, Bosnian, French and Italian comes from his Spanish ancestry (assuming his Euro ancestry is Iberian since that the main source of Euro admixture in Pinos)?
    I don't know, but he's clearly tied to the Mediterranean, maybe in more than one way, along more than one line. I'm pretty sure some of the ancestry is converso and/or morisco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    I don't know, but he's clearly tied to the Mediterranean, maybe in more than one way, along more than one line. I'm pretty sure some of the ancestry is converso and/or morisco.
    Does he have any documentation or genealogy of his family background?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsakhur View Post
    Does he have any documentation or genealogy of his family background?
    Nothing yet that helps much.
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    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsakhur View Post
    Well it seems like around 2% of the Phils population or around 2.2 million have partial Arab ancestry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_...rab%20ancestry.

    You are right, these samples could come from a Moro/Muslim community in Mindanao or could be noise. If it is indeed noise, could these Arab affinities actually be Indian (Iran_N) or Spanish ancestry instead since these Filipinos also score them?
    The source of that claim is the Filipino ambassador to Jordan.I think he made up that number for diplomatic purposes. Here are the Malays & Javanese in comparison:
     




    Besides two Malay samples with Yemeni ancestry it is mostly absent same goes for the Javanese.These were places more frequented by Muslim traders from the Western Indian Ocean than the Philipines.

    Here's Indonesian with a possible Horner (Somali?) or Horner admixed Arab ancestor
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    Target: Pantar22:GRC11053207
    Distance: 2.6093% / 0.02609313
    46.8 Papuan
    38.8 TON_2500BP
    9.0 LAO_BA
    2.2 Han
    1.4 SUDANESE7
    1.0 LAO_LN_BA
    0.8 Yemeni




    The 23&me result of that Indonesian Ba'alawi user.
     
    Target: Drobbah_scaled
    Distance: 5.8697% / 0.05869706
    53.4 SUDANESE7
    21.0 Saudi
    20.4 Levant_PPNB
    5.2 ETH_4500BP

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    Quote Originally Posted by okarinaofsteiner View Post
    Massive South Chinese immigration to the Philippines during the colonial era and the early 20th century. Razib Khan said they outnumbered the Spanish by around 100 to 1 at some point in his blog post/essay about stomach ulcer bacteria strains.





    The Han_Zhejiang ancestry in the "less Austronesian" Luzon samples is probably real. Fujian_LN can't possibly have Han-related ancestry; it almost certainly predates the early Chinese state and the Chinese expansion towards the South China Sea coast.

    I think Tsakhur used Han_Zhejiang even though the Chinese migrants to the Philippines were from further south, because Han_Fujian and Han_Guangdong have more Daic/Austronesian/Fujian_LN-like ancestry, which could skew the results.
    Interestingly, I believe many of the "Spanish" colonists in the Philippines were soldiers/convicts from the New World, particularly from Mexico. Here is an interesting article about this: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/194092908.pdf. It still seems they have more Spanish than do Vietnamese/Cambodians have French ancestry, Indians/Malays with British ancestry, etc. Probably due to the shared religion (Roman Catholicism) between Spaniards and Filipinos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemist223 View Post
    Interestingly, I believe many of the "Spanish" colonists in the Philippines were soldiers/convicts from the New World, particularly from Mexico. Here is an interesting article about this: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/194092908.pdf. It still seems they have more Spanish than do Vietnamese/Cambodians have French ancestry, Indians/Malays with British ancestry, etc. Probably due to the shared religion (Roman Catholicism) between Spaniards and Filipinos.
    You are correct. I have seen many 23andme and Gedmatch results from the Philippines and it looks like most Pinoys have at least 1-5% West Eurasian ancestry (mostly Iberian/Spanish). But I remember seeing some Filo Gedmatch results in which they have more South Asian (Iran_N) ancestry than Spanish which was really surprising to me. So it looks like there were some precolonial Indian settlers and traders in the Philippines as well as the archipelago used to have Indianized kingdoms before the arrival of the Spaniards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian...ppine_polities And G25 seems to prove that the Indian ancestry in Filipinos are rather real just lower than other SE Asians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemist223 View Post
    It still seems they have more Spanish than do Vietnamese/Cambodians have French ancestry, Indians/Malays with British ancestry, etc. Probably due to the shared religion (Roman Catholicism) between Spaniards and Filipinos.
    That's very interesting, but if it's true, I doubt it has much to do with religion. More likely it is because of the longevity of Spanish colonialism in the Philippines. Even if there were, at most, only a couple thousand peninsulares or American criollos or mestizos going to the Philippines in a given year, the impact of this migration over more than three hundred years would not have been negligible, even if large sections of the population still exhibit no West Eurasian ancestry.

    French colonization of Indochina was relatively short-lived (1887-1954) and Indochina was not seen as a settler colony.

    British colonies in India were around for longer, and there was a significant "Eurasian" (mixed South Asian and British and/or Portuguese) population - maybe around 100,000 in the late 19th century (https://eprints.soas.ac.uk/13525/1/Anderson_3334.pdf). However, anti-miscegenation laws, social attitudes/mobility factors, post-Independence emigration and the sheer size of the Indian population probably greatly limited the overall impact of this demographic sector on the population as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    That's very interesting, but if it's true, I doubt it has much to do with religion. More likely it is because of the longevity of Spanish colonialism in the Philippines. Even if there were, at most, only a couple thousand peninsulares or American criollos or mestizos going to the Philippines in a given year, the impact of this migration over more than three hundred years would not have been negligible, even if large sections of the population still exhibit no West Eurasian ancestry.

    French colonization of Indochina was relatively short-lived (1887-1954) and Indochina was not seen as a settler colony.

    British colonies in India were around for longer, and there was a significant "Eurasian" (mixed South Asian and British and/or Portuguese) population - maybe around 100,000 in the late 19th century (https://eprints.soas.ac.uk/13525/1/Anderson_3334.pdf). However, anti-miscegenation laws, social attitudes/mobility factors, post-Independence emigration and the sheer size of the Indian population probably greatly limited the overall impact of this demographic sector on the population as a whole.
    You're absolutely right, Spanish colonization in SE Asia lasted for far longer than Britain or France.
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