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    J1c2 and subclades

    I consider Ian Logan a friend, but how is it possible to do this? He has written an interesting post on Rootsweb, where I don't write after my banishment of 2007, about the possible haplogroup of Richard III. His basal hg. is J1c2c. This:
    J1c2c T146C G10685A T13281C A13933G
    1 EF177422(Portugal) Pereira J1c2c 18-DEC-2006
    A73G T146C G185A A188G A235G A263G C295T 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G C7028T A8860G A10398G G10685A A11251G G11719A A12612G T13281C G13708A A13933G C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C C16291T T16519C
    2. GU949564(Russia) FTDNA J1c2c 09-MAR-2010
    A73G T146C G185A A188G G228A A263G C295T 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G C7028T A8860G A10398G G10685A A11251G G11719A A12612G T13281C G13708A A13933G C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C G16213A T16519C
    3. JQ703882 Behar J1c2c 07-APR-2012
    A73G T146C G185A A188G A263G C295T 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G C7028T G8027A A8860G A10398G G10685A A11251G G11719A A12612G T13281C G13708A A13933G C14766T A14769G T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C T16519C
    4. JQ797822 Pala J1c2c 22-MAY-2012
    A73G G185A A188G A263G C295T 309.1C 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G C7028T T8433C C8727T A8860G A10398G A11251G G11719A A12612G G13708A C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C T16362C G16390A
    5. KF161665(Denmark) Li J1c2c 01-OCT-2013
    A73G T146C G185A A188G A263G C295T 315.1C C462T T489C C522- A523- A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G C7028T A7374G G8392A A8860G A10398G G10685A A11251G G11719A A12612G T13281C G13708A A13933G C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C T16519C
    Pala's sample (thus from Sardinia, Italy) lacks all the four mutations of J1c2c, thus what has to do with this subclade? It has the mutation A188G, thus it is J1c2, the ancestor of all the subclades. Perhaps it is true, as Ian Logan says, that J1c2c wandered around the Baltic, but certainly before wandered Southwards (Italy or nearby), and perhaps before somewhere else.

    P.S. Actually it is classified J1c2j by the last Phylotree, and, given the numerous subclades of J1c2, only a large comparing of them can say where this haplogroup came from, but it is too late now for doing this.

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    The only post on the J1c2 board is a banned user? That's not good. Anybody else around to discuss this mtDNA haplogroup?

    By way of introduction: My Maternal Line J1c2. My mother and maternal grandmother were born in the US, but my great grandmother in that line came from Lipusz, a village in Kościerzyna County, Pomeranian Voivodeship, in northern Poland. She and her ancestors were of the Kashubian ethnic group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnStorch View Post
    The only post on the J1c2 board is a banned user? That's not good. Anybody else around to discuss this mtDNA haplogroup?

    By way of introduction: My Maternal Line J1c2. My mother and maternal grandmother were born in the US, but my great grandmother in that line came from Lipusz, a village in Kościerzyna County, Pomeranian Voivodeship, in northern Poland. She and her ancestors were of the Kashubian ethnic group.
    Welcome to Anthrogenica!

    Well there is at least one other member here who is mtDNA J1c2. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...-Q-Ancient-DNA Sorry for the link to the Y DNA Q forum. If he comes on here, which isn't often he usually posts about Y DNA Q. Looking at his listed flags his direct maternal line is likely to be Russian.

    Though not J1c2, Little bit, and Gray Fox belong to subclades of J1c and I'm sure would be able to help.
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    I'm not the most informed individual regarding mtDNA, but I can tell you a little bit about my own specific line.

    Up until a few weeks ago I had assumed that the geographic region from which my J1c8 hailed was somewhere in Britain. However a 23&me relative sent me the following message..

    "We share the same Maternal Haplogroup! I was born in Yugoslavia and my family immigrated to the USA in 1950 as refugees.
    I belong to an ethnic group called "Donauschwaben." My native language is a dialect of German. My mother's name was Noll.

    My maiden name was Diener."

    Donauschwaben translates to "Danube Swabian". She's only a fifth cousin, but due to her recent immigration to the US and the fact that she is J1c8, I'm thinking this must be a fairly old mtDNA cousin.

    So, I'm guessing my maternal J1c8 line must have originally hailed from southern Germany or potentially somewhere a bit more eastern, such as described above by my Donauschwaben cousin.

    Hope this helps to paint a better picture of the J1c landscape!
     
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    Hi all
    I am J1c2
    My mother and her ancestors (by direct mother line) were born and lived in the Voronezh region, Russia.

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    The following link does touch on the J1c subclades a little bit:

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J_mtDNA.shtml

    Otherwise, just trying to follow the trail in wikipedia, I cannot find where the various branches split off, but (using my case as an example), the Kashubians descended from Pomeranian tribes, Pomeranians were a group of West Slavic tribes which, in turn, were a branch of Slavs and they derived from Proto-Indo-Europeans... and I think that would be mtDNA J. How all the subclades of that break down, I have no clue. I see from the linked article, there are even subclades of J1c2. Is there any publicly available testing that goes that far down the branches? Even mt Full Sequence from Family Tree DNA?

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    I'm j1c2 and my furthest back maternal line ancestor was a Catherine Harry born in margam South Wales uk as far as I can trace back my haplogroup seems to be Welsh

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    My female cousin just got the result J1c2. Her mom’s mom is also my grandma (my dad’s mom). My grandmother is from Munich, Germany and her family has ancestry in Bavaria all the way back to the 13th century. Of course that doesn’t mean that specific maternal line traces there....
    Southern European (mostly Spanish + Italian & Sardinian) - 35%
    Northwestern + broadly European (German) - 30%
    Eastern European (mostly Ukrainian + Balkan) - 20%
    Native American (Southwest USA) - 12%
    Other (North African + Middle Eastern + Ashkenazi Jewish) - 2%
    African - 1%

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    I have been identified by a mtDNA test at both FamilyTreeDNA and LivingDNA as J1c2e. On paper I can only trace my maternal line back to my 2nd great-grandmother Dokica (Daketsa) Basaraba (1872-1941), from the Bukovina region in Ukraine. However, from the amount of Balkans ethnicity some calculators give me, I suspect going a bit further back my maternal line might be found in Romania, or more SE Europe than Ukraine. This is just supposition really.

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    Hi all
    I have not seen anyone posting with J1C2R subclade, so if anyone has any information- it would be greatly appreciated!

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