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    Any info on L0a1d

    Just got my mtfull reusults from ftdna and I'm officially confirmed L0a1d.My closest match is an Ethiopian and there are various matches from Yemen (2 individuals) with one of them definitely being from hadhramawt based on his last name, an Ethiopian Jew from Israel and a Kikuyu from Tanzania.Is L0a1d an indigenous hunter-gatherer haplogroup from the Horn & parts of Kenya or was it brought by the Proto-Cushites from the North? There's not much material on the internet to read about most african L haplogroups let alone a restricted Eastern/SE African haplogroup like mine.
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    Dope stuff man. Would be interesting to see if you formed your own branch on yfull. Because of L0a1's high frequency in Central and Eastern Bantu I think that the rare L0a1d is definitely an indigenous EA hunter-gatherer group. I see a Zambian L0a1d on yfull. What would be interesting to see would be if L0a1 shares polymorphisms with L1/L2 clades like how L3b/L3e do. I had a paper that described this one time but I've lost it.

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    I uploaded it on to yfull's mtree hopefully they will add me on their next update.I assume that the Yemeni sample is my match from ftdna, so perhaps my sample, the Yemeni and perhaps one of the Kenyan samples would form a new subclade

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Just got my mtfull reusults from ftdna and I'm officially confirmed L0a1d.My closest match is an Ethiopian and there are various matches from Yemen (2 individuals) with one of them definitely being from hadhramawt based on his last name, an Ethiopian Jew from Israel and a Kikuyu from Tanzania.Is L0a1d an indigenous hunter-gatherer haplogroup from the Horn & parts of Kenya or was it brought by the Proto-Cushites from the North? There's not much material on the internet to read about most african L haplogroups let alone a restricted Eastern/SE African haplogroup like mine.
    I'm leaning towards that the L0a1d variants in Somalis and other Horners mostly comes from Nilo-Saharan origins in Sudan. If I recall correctly, it was found in those Medieval Nubians as well, usually Paleolithic Horner lineages aren't found in Sudan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    I'm leaning towards that the L0a1d variants in Somalis and other Horners mostly comes from Nilo-Saharan origins in Sudan. If I recall correctly, it was found in those Medieval Nubians as well, usually Paleolithic Horner lineages aren't found in Sudan.
    You are right. L0a1d L0f, L4b2a are old Mtdna (shared with Kenya/Tanzania/South East Africa Khoisan)and were found among Kenya Pastoral Neolithic South Cushites, in North Sudan & in the Horn of Africa.


    Hima/Tutsi pastoralists descendants also carry the L0b, L0a1d, with L0f, L0f2a, L0f2b being more common, followed by L4b2a2b/L4b2a2a. Significant foragers lineages shared by Khoisans and South Cushites especially the Iraqw who have significant L0f clades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    I'm leaning towards that the L0a1d variants in Somalis and other Horners mostly comes from Nilo-Saharan origins in Sudan. If I recall correctly, it was found in those Medieval Nubians as well, usually Paleolithic Horner lineages aren't found in Sudan.
    The medieval Nubians were L0a1a1 not L0a1d.My haplogroup is probably indigenous to the hunter-gatherers of East & South East Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfa View Post
    You are right. L0a1d L0f, L4b2a are old Mtdna (shared with Kenya/Tanzania/South East Africa Khoisan)and were found among Kenya Pastoral Neolithic South Cushites, in North Sudan & in the Horn of Africa.


    Hima/Tutsi pastoralists descendants also carry the L0b, L0a1d, with L0f, L0f2a, L0f2b being more common, followed by L4b2a2b/L4b2a2a. Significant foragers lineages shared by Khoisans and South Cushites especially the Iraqw who have significant L0f clades.
    Somalis from what I seen either carry L0a1d,L0f or L0a*.Never seen Somalis or Horners with L0b tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    The medieval Nubians were L0a1a1 not L0a1d.My haplogroup is probably indigenous to the hunter-gatherers of East & South East Africa.
    Probably I got it wrong here. However, I think most of the L2a in the Horn is definitely Nilo-Saharan. Also, L1b1a2a, L3b1a2 (Medieval Nubians had these two), and most of the L3f (especially L3f1a1b , most common L3f1a in Somalis).

    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Somalis from what I seen either carry L0a1d,L0f or L0a*.Never seen Somalis or Horners with L0b tho
    I think I have seen one with really basal L0a'b'f* or something odd/rare once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    I think I have seen one with really basal L0a'b'f* or something odd/rare once.
    Apparently L0b is supposedly exclusive to Ethiopia but I never seen it in Somalis.I would say the vast majority of Somalis L0 lineages are L0a1d.V4 testing Somalis like myself were only given L0a1 while all the V5 testing Somalis with L0a1 are L0a1d.

    L0f is present but very minor but I'm not sure if it came from the North or if it was present in the Horn and South of it.The Baqah BA sample was L0f2a if I recall correctly.

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    L0a is basically a signal of relic populations that are indigenous to East Africa. Its male counter part is mostly A-M13

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