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    Question I need help with my G25 showing weird northern euro ancestry

    Hello,

    This is my first thread here, an user from another forum suggested me to ask for help here to identify where is my northern european ancestry coming from, here is the thread if you are interested: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...25-coordinates

    The thing is as far as i know im fully riffian berber, i do not know from any recent european relative.

    Here are the coordinates David sent me vs the accurate coordinates according to Hamilcar:

    David Wesolowski email:

    Target: Ouail_scaled
    Distance: 2.0334% / 0.02033372
    31.0 MAR_Taforalt
    23.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    19.6 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    16.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    5.0 Levant_PPNB
    2.0 Dinka
    1.4 Yoruba
    0.8 ETH_4500BP

    Hamilcar suggested results:

    Target: Ouail_scaled
    Distance: 2.0964% / 0.02096426
    40.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    29.8 MAR_Iberomaurusian
    17.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    8.4 Levant_Natufian
    3.8 Yoruba
    0.6 GEO_CHG


    I also post myheritage results even though i know they are irrelevant:




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    maybe you have french ancestry

    Target: Ouail_scaled
    Distance: 3.2358% / 0.03235779
    65.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ
    34.8 French_Provence

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    bump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    maybe you have french ancestry

    Target: Ouail_scaled
    Distance: 3.2358% / 0.03235779
    65.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ
    34.8 French_Provence
    I remember you from TheApricity, yeah it could be, i don't know much about it so all suggestions are welcome.

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    This in no way can tell you exactly which country your ancestry comes from you need to follow your family Tree and look through your relatives to connect the dots. All it does is give you an idea of your regions

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    Maybe you have some Vandal-era ancestry? Steppe is found in the Maghreb albeit not ubiquitously. Your haplo's not indicate anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaYamamoto View Post
    Maybe you have some Vandal-era ancestry? Steppe is found in the Maghreb albeit not ubiquitously. Your haplo's not indicate anything?
    Yeah the vandal thing, some users in Apricity already said it could be that but its not likely. In the last pages of the link i shared above you can find Hamilcar saying why its not the vandals, (i think this north european thing is recent, not so old as to say its vandal ancestry.)

    About my haplo, i just used clade predictors so i dont know if they are reliable, but i dont think it has anything to do since im most likely E-M81.

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    Steppes is already high in the Rif in general so you need to use a Rif (or Chaouia) individual + Europeans in your models. You can't use a Southern Moroccan for example as a reference because they have a different genesis (high Iberomaurusian, low to no steppes, low to no Afroasiatic-related ancestry etc...). And your known genealogy is from the Rif, so even using a Kabyle or a Tunisian wouldn't be useful, even though still more proximate than a Soussi.

    I don't have my computer with me currently but in any case, you are mostly Berber with a minor European pull that should be recent.
    You might need to explore the communities MH gave you, by checking your European matches. European matches are the most common ones for Maghrebis in general because Maghrebis are not very well represented in the clientele. But if you didn't have recent European ancestry, you wouldn't have hundreds or thousands of matches with Northern Europeans for instance (or any unusual European population for a Maghrebi to match with).

    How many matches/cousins do you have on myheritage? What percentage of them are clearly not Maghrebis or of Maghrebi descent?
    Paternal Y-DNA haplogroup: E-M35>E-Z827>L19>M81>M183
    Maternal [grandfather] Y-DNA: E-M35>E-Z827>L19>M81>M183>PF2477>PF2546
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    13910: TT (rs4988235 AA)
    22018: AA (rs182549 TT)

    (my mother's LP: same results)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    maybe you have french ancestry

    Target: Ouail_scaled
    Distance: 3.2358% / 0.03235779
    65.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ
    34.8 French_Provence
    He has high steppe but he's still predominantly Maghrebi with perhaps minor Spanish ancestry (moriscos?)

    Target: Ouail_scaled
    Distance: 1.5301% / 0.01530092
    34.2 Moroccan_North
    28.4 Tunisian_Berber_Matmata
    14.2 Algerian
    12.4 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    10.2 Moroccan_South
    0.6 Tunisian_Douz

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    ^ i dont think that your modelling is a good approach tbh .i wont explain in detail why i think that because i am on phone . but you are using too many different ethnic groups

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