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Thread: Résultats en unscaled et modèle Ouest Européen/Nord Africain

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    Modèle Calculator West European,French/North African

    C'est un modèle simple, mon premier modèle, pour les populations modernes, composé uniquement avec les populations moyennes accessibles à tous des données G25 et mon objectif était d'éviter les chevauchements cachant en partie l'origine maghrébine. J'ai choisi le unscaled pour la calculatrice, car j'ai vu que c'était mieux pour les personnes mixtes.
    Le but est vraiment de pouvoir distinguer la partie "Nord Africaine" , "Proche Orientale" et "sub saharienne" faisant partis de l'origine Maghrébine en général qui sont des marqueurs et composantes distinctives aidant à l'identifier, car trop souvent dans la plupart des calculateurs les personnes mélangées pour moitié ou moins d'origine maghrébine et Ouest Européenne/Française, peuvent voir des parties de celle ci se cachaient surtout dans les populations de la péninsule ibérique, italiennes et des Balkans (Grèce y compris) faussant les résultats à cause des chevauchements.
    Ce modèle est pour tenter d'avoir des résultats pertinents concernant des personnes d'origine "Ouest Européenne" avant tout(France sans la Corse, Angleterre etc en dehors de la péninsule ibérique et italienne) et "Maghrébine"(Maroc, Algérie etc).
    J'ai mis les "moyennes de populations" européennes qui se retrouvent souvent dans les profils "Ouest Européens", "Français", hormis la plupart de celles se trouvant en péninsule ibérique ou italienne.
    Je n'ai gardé de ces 2 péninsules que quelques rares "moyennes de population" qui évitent les chevauchements pour le Nord Africain/Proche Orient et pour essayer de garder un équilibre avec un apport de populations Sud Européennes.

    Pour ceux que ça intéresserait, voila le modèle

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    NORTH_EUROPEAN:Norwegian,0.0117571,0.0126,0.0180143,0.0165429,0.0125571,0.0075429,0.0017857,0.0027286,0.0028,0.0002143,-0.0023,0.0024571,-0.0050571,-0.0085,0.0155286,0.0070857,-0.0041571,0.0020571,0.0005429,6e-04,0.0045143,0.0045,0.0034714,0.0147143,0.0009143
    NORTH_EUROPEAN:Orcadian,0.01148,0.01322,0.0167,0.015,0.01258,0.00629,0.00076,0.0017,0.00246,0.00098,-0.00421,0.00321,-0.00801,-0.00787,0.01647,0.00229,-0.0095,0.00274,0.00213,0.00024,0.00397,0.00182,-0.00175,0.00833,-5e-04
    NORTH_EUROPEAN:Swedish,0.0117667,0.0126333,0.0191095,0.0174333,0.0132905,0.0076857,0.0030048,0.0040286,0.0024,-0.003619,-0.0029571,0.0010095,-0.0031286,-0.0027857,0.0110524,0.0030286,-0.0055476,0.001581,0.0027714,0.0039,0.0056714,0.0018429,0.0009143,0.0088476,-0.0008143
    NORTH_EUROPEAN:Danish,0.0114659,0.0133364,0.0175364,0.0160364,0.013425,0.0069114,0.0023977,0.0034182,0.001475,-0.0019159,-0.0033568,0.0026114,-0.0057545,-0.0043659,0.0140818,0.0039318,-0.0055295,0.0016295,0.0023318,0.0031091,0.0043023,0.0014682,0.0004727,0.0116023,4e-04
    
    EAST_EUROPEAN:Czech,0.0115231,0.0129846,0.0160385,0.0146308,0.0125615,0.0067846,0.0027,0.0037538,0.0022846,-0.0048769,-0.0010385,-0.0026,0.0040692,0.0085538,0.0012846,0.0007538,-0.0004923,-0.0001154,0.0028385,0.0023154,-0.0010154,-0.0001308,0.0052846,0.0032615,0.0013308
    EAST_EUROPEAN:German_East,0.0115,0.0136375,0.0162,0.015475,0.0123875,0.0057875,0.0026875,0.00305,0.001075,-0.0027,-0.0032125,-0.0011875,-2.5e-05,0.005975,0.0009625,-0.0023625,-0.0060625,0.0009375,0.004225,-6e-04,5e-04,-9e-04,0.0014375,0.0013375,-0.0002625
    EAST_EUROPEAN:Polish,0.0115829,0.0127293,0.0185268,0.0178756,0.0132171,0.0077854,0.0036927,0.0047073,-0.0004561,-0.0101805,-0.002678,-0.0042829,0.0088073,0.0135366,-0.0051756,-0.000422,0.0011854,-5.85e-05,0.0021439,0.0010293,-0.0025073,-0.002522,0.0045488,-0.0027659,-7.32e-05
    EAST_EUROPEAN:Russian_Smolensk,0.0118125,0.0121375,0.019125,0.0205375,0.0127125,0.0089625,0.0049375,0.0055,5e-05,-0.0139375,-0.002175,-0.0058875,0.0113625,0.021075,-0.007225,-0.0059,-0.0025625,-0.0006625,3.75e-05,0.001425,8.75e-05,-0.003425,0.0047875,-0.0053125,0.000275
    
    WEST_EUROPEAN:English,0.0115842,0.0134947,0.0163842,0.0136263,0.0127474,0.0060053,0.0021211,0.0024895,0.0025737,0.0031158,-0.0029368,0.0037474,-0.0084684,-0.0075211,0.0151895,0.0026789,-0.0079526,0.0032316,0.0029316,0.0023684,0.0047579,0.0027526,-0.0026526,0.0114474,2.63e-05
    WEST_EUROPEAN:English_Cornwall,0.0114385,0.0137615,0.0162692,0.0133692,0.0136154,0.0058846,0.0014615,0.0027692,0.0031692,0.0038231,-0.0028538,0.0043231,-0.0092462,-0.0074462,0.0152923,0.0023923,-0.0096077,0.0016692,0.0029923,0.0025923,0.0038538,0.0031308,-0.0006154,0.0119231,0.0005769
    WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Brittany,0.01155,0.0136225,0.01534,0.0121625,0.0127275,0.00567,0.0013425,0.001825,0.0040025,0.0052075,-0.00316,0.00373,-0.009665,-0.00952,0.013515,0.0033175,-0.0056,0.00101,-0.0003675,0.0014175,0.00358,0.001445,-0.0010175,0.0087525,0.00055
    WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Nord,0.0112697,0.0138394,0.0136182,0.0079273,0.0124364,0.0031879,0.0004667,0.0019152,0.0040939,0.0065939,-0.0021455,0.0026909,-0.0073061,-0.0059455,0.0082515,0.0019182,-0.0035333,0.0017576,0.0032576,0.0008242,0.0017091,0.0012333,-0.0012758,0.0062,1.21e-05
    WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace,0.011185,0.0138225,0.0133425,0.006945,0.012485,0.003195,0.0012425,0.0021125,0.00335,0.00586,-0.00193,0.003055,-0.0063525,-0.00303,0.0063075,0.0023125,-0.0037525,0.001925,0.00258,-0.0005725,0.002215,0.000935,-0.0010725,0.0059225,-0.0002625
    WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Paris,0.0111727,0.0139273,0.0133727,0.0074273,0.0132909,0.0033364,0.0011909,0.0023636,0.0056727,0.0099727,-0.0047455,0.0045455,-0.0086818,-0.0075455,0.0101455,0.0045727,-0.0014,0.0036818,0.0021545,-0.0007818,0.0017636,0.0028909,-0.001,0.0092455,-0.0015909
    WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Pas-de-Calais,0.0112333,0.0138333,0.0144,0.0083,0.0137,0.0045667,0.0017667,0.0005667,0.0041667,0.0068333,-0.0049333,0.0014667,-0.0067333,-0.0087333,0.0100667,0.0061333,-0.0003667,0.0014333,-0.0029,0.0034,0.008,0.0011667,-0.0020667,0.0049,-0.0012
    WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Seine-Maritime,0.01195,0.0135,0.012,0.00915,0.0127,0.006,0.0018,-3e-04,0.00195,0.0033,-0.0023,0.005,-0.0051,-0.0012,0.0105,0.00265,-0.0061,-0.00185,0.00075,-0.004,0.00315,0.00445,7e-04,0.00355,-0.00375
    WEST_EUROPEAN:German,0.0114443,0.0135278,0.0153747,0.0119835,0.0129987,0.0056101,0.0017304,0.0025076,0.0017241,0.0010316,-0.0027177,0.0015835,-0.0036127,-0.0018468,0.0062722,0.0024823,-0.0025101,0.0013127,0.0026785,0.0013747,0.0025165,0.0016215,5.82e-05,0.0068924,0.0002316
    WEST_EUROPEAN:Irish,0.0117165,0.0132047,0.01622,0.0151282,0.0122788,0.0069388,0.0014012,0.0020424,0.0017447,0.0016059,-0.0042929,0.0038965,-0.0095447,-0.0102282,0.0191094,0.0039329,-0.0085482,0.0014953,0.0004753,0.00142,0.0040988,0.0010341,0.0002376,0.0119565,0.0005518
    WEST_EUROPEAN:Belgian,0.0111741,0.0135778,0.0134889,0.0088296,0.0126333,0.0040222,0.0018037,0.0014963,0.0036259,0.006063,-0.0031111,0.003137,-0.008563,-0.0069852,0.0096852,0.0026926,-0.0033778,0.0017444,0.0017593,-0.0010222,0.0028444,0.0014148,-0.0011407,0.0085407,0.0009259
    
    SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Italian_Aosta_Valley,0.011155,0.014385,0.01041,0.00147,0.012015,-0.000555,0.001025,0.001215,0.005,0.01205,-0.002935,0.00329,-0.009905,-0.007525,0.005525,0.00472,0.00398,-0.000225,0.002685,-0.00043,0.002345,0.001575,-0.000745,0.006755,-5e-05
    SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Basque_French,0.01125,0.01497,0.01463,0.00397,0.01833,9e-04,-6e-04,0.00144,0.01496,0.02261,-0.00571,0.0069,-0.01411,-0.01019,0.00974,-0.00146,-0.00914,0.00239,-0.00057,-0.00353,0.00814,0.00201,-0.00701,-0.00761,6e-05
    SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Basque_Spanish,0.0115889,0.0148111,0.0154556,0.0027889,0.0187111,4.44e-05,-0.0014111,0.0001778,0.0153333,0.0250222,-0.0027889,0.0077444,-0.0153222,-0.0136333,0.0132222,0.0028111,-0.0044556,0.0021889,-0.0014444,-5.56e-05,0.0070444,0.0020111,-0.0055889,-0.0075,0.0018889
    SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Swiss_French,0.0111875,0.0142625,0.0109875,0.0031625,0.013375,0.002325,0.00035,0.00125,0.005775,0.0106625,-0.0004625,0.0044,-0.0107375,-0.0091,0.00615,0.0016375,0.0044125,-0.001275,0.0029125,-0.000275,0.0038375,0.00295,0.00135,0.0021375,-4e-04
    SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie,0.0111611,0.0142667,0.0129611,0.0055444,0.0140944,0.001225,0.0002222,0.0016861,0.0072639,0.0129444,-0.002025,0.0043917,-0.0101194,-0.0068722,0.0079111,0.0019361,-0.0028444,0.0019611,0.0011333,3.61e-05,0.0029417,0.0019778,-0.0020694,0.0014667,0.0003528
    SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne,0.0110185,0.0142444,0.0125741,0.0040222,0.0141259,0.0014333,-0.0001444,0.0010889,0.0075333,0.0121667,-0.0015185,0.0049074,-0.0093963,-0.0070259,0.0061148,0.0011185,-0.0006037,0.0011815,0.0024444,-0.0001704,0.0014889,0.0030222,-0.0018519,0.0015074,-7.41e-05
    SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Provence,0.0107118,0.0141647,0.0097824,0.0016588,0.0119765,0.0008353,0.0009647,0.0015765,0.0049176,0.0112235,-0.0023824,0.0048118,-0.0081647,-0.0079647,0.0043882,0.0023941,0.0008412,0.0022176,0.0014118,-0.0012118,0.0012353,0.0022118,0.0002882,0.0045176,2.94e-05
    SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_South,0.0110857,0.0142571,0.0131571,0.0027429,0.0164714,0.0009571,0.0001143,0.0009857,0.0135143,0.0212143,-0.0041714,0.0049143,-0.0147,-0.0098571,0.0076429,0.0020857,-0.0039143,0.0014143,0.0001714,0.0015286,0.004,-0.0006714,-0.0042714,-0.0062714,-0.0011857
    SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Sardinian,0.0106909,0.0164727,0.0075545,-0.0156818,0.0195455,-0.0079364,-0.0016818,0.0010818,0.0203273,0.0424455,-3.64e-05,0.0111091,-0.0192818,-0.0094273,-0.01,-0.0022636,0.0087455,-0.0010636,0.0013364,-0.0103909,-0.0017,-0.0008909,-0.0081818,-0.0177455,0.0002818
    
    MIDDLE_EASTERN:CAUCASUS Armenian_Hemsheni,0.0094286,0.0135286,-0.0154714,-0.0186857,-0.0113143,-0.0055,0.0030429,-0.0032143,-0.0225286,-0.0031429,0.0016857,0.0046857,-0.0083714,7e-04,-0.0061714,-0.0058429,0.0069714,-0.0001714,-0.0017,0.0036714,0.0046,0.0031286,-0.0024714,-0.0052571,0.0006143
    MIDDLE_EASTERN:LEVANTINE Samaritan,0.0075,0.01464,-0.01522,-0.02864,-0.00312,-0.01256,-0.00094,-0.00354,0.00798,0.00452,0.00564,-0.00662,0.01378,0.00862,-0.00408,0.0016,-0.00862,8e-04,0.00168,-0.00292,-0.00042,0.00252,0.00046,-0.00244,0.00388
    MIDDLE_EASTERN:ARABIAN Yemenite_Al_Bayda,0.0034,0.01365,-0.0166167,-0.03325,-0.0033,-0.0173833,-0.0056,-0.0044,0.0264667,-0.0032833,0.00675,-0.0192167,0.03425,0.0029833,0.0047,0.01825,-0.0141667,0.00565,0.0006667,0.0143333,0.0078333,0.0130833,-0.0060333,0.0009333,-0.0031333
    MIDDLE_EASTERN:ARABIAN Yemenite_Al_Jawf,0.004325,0.013925,-0.016725,-0.035775,-0.003475,-0.016975,-0.004,-0.0031,0.028425,-0.001425,0.007925,-0.020975,0.03855,0.002825,0.0028,0.014775,-0.0157,0.00315,0.002525,0.0177,0.008575,0.0119,-0.0106,0.0071,-0.00715
    MIDDLE_EASTERN:ARABIAN Yemenite_Amran,0.0040286,0.0133357,-0.0163143,-0.0314071,-0.0048286,-0.0151143,-0.0037143,-0.0033643,0.0220071,-0.0023357,0.0072357,-0.0153214,0.0312857,0.0038214,0.0029429,0.0130143,-0.0108429,0.0033571,0.0014571,0.0125571,0.00555,0.0077,-0.0051357,0.0034643,-0.0039929
    MIDDLE_EASTERN:ARABIAN Yemenite_Dhamar,0.0031222,0.0139,-0.0155222,-0.0342333,-0.0031111,-0.0169333,-0.0058444,-0.0034778,0.0240778,-0.0043111,0.0084889,-0.0176111,0.0331444,0.0043222,0.0025667,0.0115,-0.0124333,0.0036111,0.0005222,0.0136222,0.0081,0.0092333,-0.0056444,0.0035111,-0.0025556
    MIDDLE_EASTERN:ARABIAN Yemenite_Jew,0.0045143,0.0142571,-0.0167714,-0.0353143,-0.0038429,-0.0167429,-0.0057429,-0.0038429,0.0239429,-0.0034429,0.0069714,-0.0177571,0.0363143,0.0023571,0.0026,0.0129429,-0.0188286,0.0027429,0.0051,0.0199571,0.0103286,0.0129286,-0.0057571,0.0038571,-0.0057571
    MIDDLE_EASTERN:ARABIAN Yemenite_Ma'rib,0.00394,0.01416,-0.01624,-0.03624,-0.003,-0.01718,-0.0047,-0.00198,0.02622,-0.00416,0.00906,-0.0181,0.0346,0.00406,0.00036,0.0152,-0.0164,0.00356,0.00206,0.01464,0.00916,0.01062,-0.00546,0.00386,-0.00458
    MIDDLE_EASTERN:ARABIAN Yemenite_Mahra,0.0047667,0.0134,-0.0181,-0.0375222,-0.0012111,-0.0201889,-0.0055444,-0.0038222,0.0307444,-0.0011222,0.0103444,-0.0217333,0.0442222,0.0042444,0.0059333,0.0204222,-0.0161556,0.0022667,-0.0015222,0.0198556,0.011,0.0130111,-0.0070889,0.0023111,-0.0043667
    MIDDLE_EASTERN:ARABIAN BedouinB,0.0036833,0.0141722,-0.0158611,-0.0362167,-0.0030278,-0.0172333,-0.006,-0.0037889,0.0252,-0.0028556,0.0097722,-0.0204,0.0423444,0.0035278,0.0032389,0.0217611,-0.0153167,0.0028889,-0.0031944,0.0231889,0.0087889,0.0123167,-0.0031778,0.0058944,-0.0069389
    MIDDLE_EASTERN:ARABIAN Saudi,0.0043444,0.0139,-0.0171333,-0.0359444,-0.0037667,-0.0172556,-0.0056889,-0.0035444,0.0252556,-0.0032333,0.0100333,-0.0212556,0.0426111,0.0015556,0.0023444,0.0205,-0.0169111,0.0033889,-0.0002556,0.0242,0.0104667,0.0136556,-0.0058444,0.0068667,-0.0081444
    MIDDLE_EASTERN:ASSYRIAN,0.0086,0.013,-0.0164909,-0.0192909,-0.0103909,-0.0062182,0.0024727,-0.0024818,-0.0119818,-0.0020818,0.0026091,-0.0009818,0.0031727,-0.0002182,-0.0020273,0.0061,-0.0004636,9e-04,0.0009364,-0.004,-0.0022273,0.0018727,-9.09e-05,-0.0021182,0.0023818
    
    NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_MAR_ERR,-0.0081143,0.0128929,-0.0008714,-0.0220429,0.0083357,-0.01165,-0.0132857,0.0043786,0.0329286,0.0164214,0.0060643,-0.0039857,0.0145714,-0.0117286,0.0148786,-0.0106643,-0.0045857,-0.0168643,-0.0367,0.0075786,-0.0131857,-0.0336643,0.0201286,-0.0017143,0.0044857
    NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_MAR_TIZ,-0.0090071,0.0129643,-0.0006143,-0.0235143,0.0100929,-0.0127857,-0.0142571,0.0052071,0.0374786,0.0173214,0.0054286,-0.0061786,0.0166357,-0.0148357,0.0149929,-0.0118571,8.57e-05,-0.0227571,-0.0425,0.0095286,-0.0166857,-0.0413357,0.0249429,-0.0043071,0.0062357
    NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_Tunisia_Chen,-0.0024556,0.0136944,-0.0021444,-0.0236778,0.0090111,-0.0126222,-0.0133556,0.0022889,0.0334556,0.01635,0.0024667,-0.0029278,0.0132056,-0.0117167,0.0103833,-0.01275,0.0001167,-0.0183833,-0.0371722,0.0062833,-0.0134889,-0.0326944,0.0228278,-0.0036944,0.0053167
    NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_Tunisia_Sen,-0.0034353,0.0132706,-0.0050294,-0.0241176,0.0061118,-0.0127529,-0.0092176,0.0025412,0.0282059,0.0112824,0.0034765,-0.0081647,0.0177059,-0.0068353,0.0091941,-0.0037765,-0.0043647,-0.0103941,-0.0241353,0.0092118,-0.0068235,-0.0195588,0.0121706,-4.12e-05,0.0004588
    NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Matmata,-0.0045571,0.0130714,-0.0027286,-0.0229214,0.0073929,-0.0119214,-0.0106071,0.0021571,0.0282786,0.0153786,0.0033,-0.0038071,0.0143,-0.0105071,0.0095286,-0.0077643,0.00015,-0.0126357,-0.0285357,0.0059714,-0.00915,-0.0244929,0.0166143,-0.0016214,0.003
    NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Tamezret,-0.00303,0.01328,-0.00248,-0.02414,0.00868,-0.01264,-0.01096,0.00331,0.02962,0.01652,0.00343,-0.0051,0.0135,-0.01236,0.01022,-0.00812,0.00143,-0.01669,-0.03181,0.00791,-0.00868,-0.02783,0.0194,-0.00239,0.00567
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    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Ethiopian_Oromo,-0.0242765,0.0094059,-0.0079529,-0.0220529,0.0006941,-0.0120824,-0.0034941,-0.0022882,0.0510588,-0.0390647,-0.0035176,-0.0068706,0.0069588,-0.0001235,0.0160706,-0.0107588,0.0118824,0.0039412,0.0057294,5.88e-05,0.0023059,0.0050353,-0.0029941,0.0024529,-0.0019529
    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Ethiopian_Tigray,-0.0188941,0.0105471,-0.0092353,-0.0262706,6.47e-05,-0.0142882,-0.0070529,-0.0002647,0.0495235,-0.0331941,-0.0014529,-0.0091941,0.0132941,0.0010529,0.0154882,-0.0071235,0.0089,0.0001529,0.0046588,0.0024353,0.0030882,0.0052765,-0.0024647,0.0025353,-0.0038
    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Ethiopian_Wolayta,-0.0274,0.0086,-0.0068333,-0.0194667,-3.33e-05,-0.0110333,-0.0003667,-0.0055,0.0522333,-0.0407,-0.005,-0.0074333,0.0027667,-0.0013,0.0188,-0.013,0.0088333,0.0052,0.0046667,-0.0016333,0.0021,0.0033,-0.0035667,0.0007667,-0.0025333
    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Gambian,-0.0532833,0.0066167,0.0052333,0.00355,0.0006833,0.002,-0.01525,0.0168,-0.0155167,0.01325,0.0033333,-0.0024333,0.0109167,-0.0007167,0.0081167,-0.0115667,0.0074333,-0.0009333,-0.0016833,-0.0025833,-0.0013167,-0.0014667,0.0035667,-8.33e-05,0.00115
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    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Khomani_San,-0.05465,0.00595,0.00555,0.0093,-0.00015,3e-04,0.10075,-0.079,0.00905,0.0037,0.00125,-0.036,-0.01425,0.004,0.01385,-0.01605,0.02275,0.20705,-0.0698,0.0014,-0.0266,-0.0023,0.0031,-0.00415,0.0014
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    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Luhya_Kenya,-0.0525286,0.0062714,0.0045571,0.0022,0,0.0021,-0.0061714,0.0081857,0.0022143,-0.0118429,-0.0031143,0.0106714,-0.0221143,0.0008714,-0.0224,0.0201571,-0.0138286,-0.0019286,-0.0079143,0.0037714,0.0013571,0.0001571,0.0027714,0.0033,0.0005571
    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Luo,-0.0528375,0.0062625,0.0044375,0.0019875,-0.000925,0.0025875,-0.0050375,0.0066625,0.004025,-0.0147625,-0.004775,0.00815,-0.020525,0.0006125,-0.0171,0.0108125,-0.012625,-0.002125,-0.0052625,0.00085,0.0012375,0.000475,0.002175,0.0014,-0.001575
    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Mandenka,-0.0533722,0.0062889,0.0048444,0.0033111,-7.22e-05,0.0032444,-0.01615,0.0167111,-0.0150611,0.0141889,0.0031278,-0.0008167,0.0131167,-0.0007222,0.0121833,-0.0091444,0.0083722,-0.0002111,-0.0015444,-0.0017611,-0.0014389,-0.0045667,0.0004833,-0.0008333,0.00125
    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Masai,-0.038575,0.0075,-0.0030125,-0.0110875,-0.0015625,-0.0066875,-0.0028,0.0018125,0.0478875,-0.049375,-0.010375,0.0038875,-0.0172375,-0.0008625,0.00875,-0.0137,0.017575,-0.00445,0.014675,-0.015925,-0.0009375,-1e-04,-0.00435,-0.002775,0.0041625
    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Mbuti,-0.05688,0.00582,0.00676,0.01158,-0.00036,0.00238,0.15588,-0.12716,0.00866,0.01638,-0.0055,0.14668,0.08506,0.00074,0.00762,-0.00106,0.00072,-0.04094,0.01132,0.00298,0.0049,-0.0015,-0.00356,0.0021,-0.00058
    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Mende_Sierra_Leone,-0.0547,0.00635,0.0060625,0.005275,0.0009625,0.003325,-0.00975,0.01165,-0.018975,0.015325,0.0035375,-0.0033625,0.0119625,0.000375,0.00755,-0.0054875,0.007225,0.0052375,0.000825,-0.0003125,0.00245,0.0010625,-0.0027375,-0.0002125,-0.00015
    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Sandawe,-0.04115,0.0069,-0.00125,-0.00715,0.00025,-0.005,0.0124,-0.01065,0.02845,-0.0266,-0.00085,3e-04,-0.0105,-0.0036,0.00285,0.0013,0.01195,0.0236,-0.00765,-0.0012,-0.00335,4e-04,-0.00345,-0.0026,0.0031
    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Yoruba,-0.0553545,0.0061545,0.0058636,0.0051727,0.0001636,0.0044727,-0.0189,0.0207,-0.0239,0.0179818,0.0028455,0.0005273,0.0155091,0.0006909,0.0092273,-0.0072455,0.0054273,0.0003545,0.0047909,-0.0023909,0.0012455,0.0018727,-0.0014273,-0.0003909,-0.0003545
    SUB_SAHARAN AFRICAN:Biaka,-0.0564167,0.0061,0.0070333,0.01025,0.00055,0.0029833,0.0732333,-0.0580167,-0.011,0.02165,0.00985,-0.0984667,-0.0324167,-0.00185,0.0028167,-0.0025833,-0.0006833,-0.0233667,0.0081167,-0.0004833,0.0018333,-0.0012,-0.0012833,0.0008333,-0.0025833
    J'ai uniquement exclu comme population parmi les populations Nord Africaines, celle de Berber_Algeria,-0.2936636,0.1051579,0.0019988,-0.0400681,0.0144488,-0.012341,-0.0366736,0.0210568,0.0269358,0.0215312,0.0057566,-0.0045259,0.021318,-0.0074316,0.0114277,-0.0088304,0.0031227,-0.011079,-0.023053,0.0049898,-0.0073621,-0.019636,0.0121769,-0.0003616,0.0026523
    car c'est un "outlier" avec un apport sub saharien beaucoup plus élevé que le reste des populations Nord Africaines et qu' elle recouvrirait la part de Sub Saharien Africain.
    Ne sont pas aussi inclues les populations juives maghrébines car en plus de différer du reste des populations maghrébines en général, elles auraient compliqué la tâche surtout pour les personnes mixtes, de démêler et déceler les parties "Nord Africaine" et "Proche-Orientale" à cause des chevauchements, de l'apport consistant en Nord Africain et Proche Oriental qu'elles contiennent.
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    C'est une très bonne idée et j'avais commencé à en préparer un de calculateurs mais il me manque encore des compétences techniques.

    Voici ce que ça donne pour moi :
    Target: Marine
    Distance: 0.6902% / 0.00690151
    48.8 WEST_EUROPEAN
    34.0 NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER
    8.0 SOUTH_EUROPEAN
    5.6 MIDDLE_EASTERN
    3.6 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN

    2way :
    2way.JPG


    J'ai quand même voulu voir ce que ça donnait avec ma mère :
    Target: Fadila
    Distance: 0.6907% / 0.00690693
    65.8 NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER
    16.2 NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI
    10.0 MIDDLE_EASTERN
    6.0 SOUTH_EUROPEAN
    1.0 EAST_EUROPEAN
    1.0 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN

    Va savoir pourquoi mais ça m'arrive fréquemment d'avoir plus de Subsahara-African que ma mère.
    Mon père (breton) a aussi 1.2 SSA alors qu'il n'en a pas une goutte en réalité. Donc pour le SSA, je pense qu'il y a encore quelque chose à revoir. Pareil pour le Middle Eastern car il en a 1.4.

    Par contre, quand j'ai voulu m'y atteler, j'avais quand même pris des populations sud-européennes, dans le mode "single", forcément j'avais des chevauchements mais pas dans le 2way ! Le mode 2way pourrait faire la distinction entre un espagnol/algérien (par exemple) et un français/algérien. C'est ce que je vais essayer de voir quand j'aurai du temps...
    23andme : 50% North African (Béjaïa & Sétif, Algeria) / 50% Northwestern European (Brittany, France)
    G25 : 50.00 % French_Brittany_Rennes_B_46 + 50.00 % Algerian_Algerian43A23 0.008153
    Paternal lineage : I-M223 / I-Y3259 / I-CTS616 / I-Y3721 / I-Y3670 / I-L1229 / I-S18331 / I-Y6512 / I-Y38675
    Father's maternal lineage : H1b1-a (T16362C)
    Maternal lineage : T1a2f
    Mother's paternal lineage : G-Y85585 / G-Z36520 / G-FP3147 / G-Z36525 / G-BY37102*

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    Distance to: Trelvern

    0.01241867 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Brittany
    0.01324841 WEST_EUROPEAN:English_Cornwall
    0.01473614 WEST_EUROPEAN:English
    0.01491542 WEST_EUROPEAN:Belgian
    0.01538062 WEST_EUROPEAN:Irish
    0.01547404 NORTH_EUROPEAN:Orcadian
    0.01584263 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Nord
    0.01647926 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Paris
    0.01732476 NORTH_EUROPEAN:Norwegian
    0.01877229 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace
    0.01902042 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie
    0.01902177 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.01915899 NORTH_EUROPEAN:Danish
    0.01958584 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Seine-Maritime
    0.02025604 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne
    0.02043774 WEST_EUROPEAN:German
    0.02160060 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Provence
    0.02186493 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Swiss_French
    0.02265014 NORTH_EUROPEAN:Swedish
    0.02315490 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.03023982 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_South
    0.03219775 EAST_EUROPEAN:German_East
    0.03280105 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Basque_Spanish
    0.03292230 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Basque_French
    0.03536562 EAST_EUROPEAN:Czech



    Target: Trelvern
    Distance: 1.0503% / 0.01050257

    38.2 WEST_EUROPEAN:English_Cornwall
    33.4 NORTH_EUROPEAN:Norwegian
    20.2 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Basque_Spanish
    5.0 MIDDLE_EASTERN:ASSYRIAN
    2.0 WEST_EUROPEAN:Irish
    0.6 MIDDLE_EASTERN:ARABIANYemenite_Jew
    0.4 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN:Cameroon_Bakoko
    0.2 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN:Mbuti


    Target: Trelvern
    Distance: 1.1831% / 0.01183124 | ADC: 0.5x

    52.6 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Brittany
    37.8 WEST_EUROPEAN:English_Cornwall
    9.0 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne
    0.6 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Basque_Spanish

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    Salut,
    Merci pour vos essais et retours.
    Rinema
    , que seraient les résultats en no aggregate svp?possible d'avoir les détails?
    Sinon concernant les personnes originaires que de la France sans mélange connu, une présence en Proche Orient etc dans la population est avérée auprès des généticiens mais en faible quantité en général.
    Et le plus souvent lorsqu'elle est présente cela peut s'expliquer s'il n'y a pas de mélange connu avéré familial, par des apports anciens avec l'installation principalement de Romains, Alains/Sarmates, Grecs et juifs dans certaines zones.
    Cela dit ça reste bien moindre que chez les voisins de la péninsule ibérique et italienne.
    Donc il peut être possible qu'il y ait un peu de Middle Eastern notamment surtout du Caucase en France même du côté de la Bretagne (d'ailleurs ne pas oublier que les "Yamnaya" avaient aussi une mixture du Caucase en plus de celle majoritaire des chasseurs cueilleurs de l'Est).
    Trelvern
    , qu'en pensez vous dans votre cas ?

    J'ai mis des populations Sud Européennes pour établir un équilibre mais des populations qui n'ont pas dans leur "average" d'apport en Proche Orient etc ou alors en quantité très négligeable.
    L'Aoste Valley par exemple est une population "italienne" qui reste majoritairement "sud européenne" avec un taux assez élevé en apport dEurope "du Nord", germanique etc mais gardant un apport plus important de Barcin sans les apports proche orientaux.
    Basques Spanish idem, en plus d'être une population sud européenne frontalière pouvant influer elle permet de garder une composante à caractère "ibérique" légèrement plus shifté Sud que le "basques french" et avec un apport inexistant ou très moindre pour le proche orient, nord africain etc.
    Ce sont des populations de plus dans les abords directs de l'hexagone qui peuvent donc influer aussi localement sur la composition de régions françaises.
    Sinon avec le unscaled même si ce n'est pas nécessaire pour les personnes mixtes, on peut utiliser la distance 0.25 voir max 0.5 pour recalibrer, pour les personnes mélangées à qui s'adresse surtout ce calculateur je recommanderai de laisser tel ou de mettre de la distance 0.25.
    Cela dit, il se pourrait que des chevauchements éventuels puissent se produire avec de la distance, pénalité en 0.25 et 0.5.en ce cas n'hésitez pas à retirer la population en question.
    Ne pas oublier que ce calculateur est plus destiné au mélange franco-ouest européen/maghrébin pour la pertinence.
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    Mes résultats avec le modèle:
    Distance: 1.2027% / 0.01202724 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    36.4 SOUTH_EUROPEAN
    25.4 WEST_EUROPEAN
    17.6 NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER
    14.2 EAST_EUROPEAN
    4.4 MIDDLE_EASTERN
    2.0 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN

    Distance: 1.1621% / 0.01162079
    38.2 SOUTH_EUROPEAN
    26.2 WEST_EUROPEAN
    17.2 NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER
    9.0 EAST_EUROPEAN
    7.6 MIDDLE_EASTERN
    1.8 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN

    No aggregate:
    Distance: 1.1621% / 0.01162100
    37.4 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Basque_French
    19.6 WEST_EUROPEAN:English_Cornwall
    11.8 NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Mozabite
    9.0 EAST_EUROPEAN:Russian_Smolensk
    6.2 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Seine-Maritime
    5.4 NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_MAR_ERR
    4.0 MIDDLE_EASTERN:LEVANTINESamaritan
    3.8 MIDDLE_EASTERN:CAUCASUSArmenian_Hemsheni
    1.0 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Sardinian
    1.0 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN:Gambian
    0.8 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN:Biaka

    Distance: 1.2027% / 0.01202724 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    36.4 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Basque_French
    24.8 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Seine-Maritime
    17.6 NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Mozabite
    14.2 EAST_EUROPEAN:German_East
    4.4 MIDDLE_EASTERN:LEVANTINESamaritan
    2.0 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN:Gambian
    0.6 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace
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    Mes résultats en 2 WAY:
     
    Distance to:
    0.01440434 80.00% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 20.00% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Zraoua
    0.01443419 81.20% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 18.80% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Mozabite
    0.01454555 82.40% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 17.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_MAR_ERR
    0.01461936 84.00% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 16.00% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Saharawi
    0.01475580 82.60% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 17.40% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    0.01485206 78.40% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 21.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Algerian
    0.01500196 80.60% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 19.40% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Moroccan
    0.01500705 82.00% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 18.00% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Moroccan_South
    0.01506454 81.40% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 18.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Tamezret
    0.01508890 80.00% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 20.00% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Matmata
    0.01508901 80.60% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 19.40% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Moroccan_North
    0.01513914 85.40% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 14.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_MAR_TIZ
    0.01519321 78.80% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 21.20% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Tunisian
    0.01531600 82.40% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 17.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Canary_Islands_Guanche
    0.01555347 80.00% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Occitanie + 20.00% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_Tunisia_Sen
    0.01567105 82.20% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 17.80% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_MAR_ERR
    0.01567473 78.60% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace + 21.40% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Mozabite
    0.01569491 81.20% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 18.80% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Mozabite
    0.01571844 80.00% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 20.00% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Zraoua
    0.01575898 77.40% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace + 22.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Zraoua
    0.01581823 83.80% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 16.20% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Saharawi
    0.01589337 79.80% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace + 20.20% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_MAR_ERR
    0.01591608 80.00% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace + 20.00% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    0.01600507 77.40% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace + 22.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Moroccan_North
    0.01608416 82.80% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 17.20% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    0.01609846 81.60% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace + 18.40% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Saharawi
    0.01617409 78.40% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 21.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Algerian
    0.01620477 81.80% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 18.20% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Moroccan_South
    0.01621142 79.40% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace + 20.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Canary_Islands_Guanche
    0.01621850 78.40% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace + 21.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Tamezret
    0.01622840 80.60% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 19.40% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Moroccan
    0.01629530 80.60% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 19.40% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Moroccan_North
    0.01630831 85.20% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 14.80% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_MAR_TIZ
    0.01633329 76.40% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Seine-Maritime + 23.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Mozabite
    0.01637010 81.40% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 18.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Tamezret
    0.01638557 77.00% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Nord + 23.00% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Zraoua
    0.01642059 74.80% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Seine-Maritime + 25.20% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Moroccan_North
    0.01642892 78.40% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Nord + 21.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Mozabite
    0.01643137 83.00% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace + 17.00% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_MAR_TIZ
    0.01644195 80.00% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 20.00% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Matmata
    0.01644733 77.20% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace + 22.80% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Matmata
    0.01645587 82.40% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 17.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Canary_Islands_Guanche
    0.01646810 75.00% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Seine-Maritime + 25.00% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Zraoua
    0.01651084 75.60% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace + 24.40% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Algerian
    0.01655260 75.80% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Seine-Maritime + 24.20% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Tamezret
    0.01655528 75.40% WEST_EUROPEAN:Belgian + 24.60% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Tunisian_Berber_Zraoua
    0.01661211 77.80% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Seine-Maritime + 22.20% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    0.01661779 77.60% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Seine-Maritime + 22.40% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_MAR_ERR
    0.01661948 79.00% SOUTH_EUROPEAN:French_Auvergne + 21.00% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Tunisian
    0.01662833 79.60% WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Alsace + 20.40% NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI:Moroccan_South


    Mince.....j'ai confondu dans mes essais, tests de calculateur....mea culpa au temps pour moi, en unscaled celui-ci avec les populations ibériques inclues, ça se chevauche (car j'avais dis le contraire dans un commentaire précédent que même avec les populations ibériques inclues, il n'y avait pas de chevauchements).
    Sinon concernant le résultat "sardinian" pour les personnes mélangées france-ouest européen/maghreb cela provient très fortement probablement de l'origine nord africaine car on sait qu'il y a aussi du sud européen dont du Sardes très caractéristique dans le sud européen chez les nord africains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aben Aboo View Post
    Salut,
    Merci pour vos essais et retours.
    , que seraient les résultats en no aggregate svp?possible d'avoir les détails?
    Sinon concernant les personnes originaires que de la France sans mélange connu, une présence en Proche Orient etc dans la population est avérée auprès des généticiens mais en faible quantité en général.
    Et le plus souvent lorsqu'elle est présente cela peut s'expliquer s'il n'y a pas de mélange connu avéré familial, par des apports anciens avec l'installation principalement de Romains, Alains/Sarmates, Grecs et juifs dans certaines zones.
    Cela dit ça reste bien moindre que chez les voisins de la péninsule ibérique et italienne.
    Donc il peut être possible qu'il y ait un peu de Middle Eastern notamment surtout du Caucase en France même du côté de la Bretagne (d'ailleurs ne pas oublier que les "Yamnaya" avaient aussi une mixture du Caucase en plus de celle majoritaire des chasseurs cueilleurs de l'Est).
    , qu'en pensez vous dans votre cas ?

    Avec no aggregate :

    Target: Marine
    Distance: 0.6902% / 0.00690151
    34.0 NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    25.0 WEST_EUROPEAN:Irish
    15.0 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Seine-Maritime
    7.4 WEST_EUROPEAN:English_Cornwall
    6.6 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Sardinian
    5.6 MIDDLE_EASTERN:LEVANTINESamaritan
    1.6 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN:Cameroon_Bakoko
    1.4 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Paris
    1.4 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Italian_Aosta_Valley
    1.4 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN:Cameroon_Bangwa
    0.6 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN:Biaka


    Mon père n'a aucun apport moyen-oriental significatif sur les autres calculateurs donc je pense qu'il y a effectivement quelque chose à revoir. Surtout qu'on voit apparaître la même chose pour Trelvern.
    23andme : 50% North African (Béjaïa & Sétif, Algeria) / 50% Northwestern European (Brittany, France)
    G25 : 50.00 % French_Brittany_Rennes_B_46 + 50.00 % Algerian_Algerian43A23 0.008153
    Paternal lineage : I-M223 / I-Y3259 / I-CTS616 / I-Y3721 / I-Y3670 / I-L1229 / I-S18331 / I-Y6512 / I-Y38675
    Father's maternal lineage : H1b1-a (T16362C)
    Maternal lineage : T1a2f
    Mother's paternal lineage : G-Y85585 / G-Z36520 / G-FP3147 / G-Z36525 / G-BY37102*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinema View Post
    Avec no aggregate :

    Target: Marine
    Distance: 0.6902% / 0.00690151
    34.0 NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER:Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    25.0 WEST_EUROPEAN:Irish
    15.0 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Seine-Maritime
    7.4 WEST_EUROPEAN:English_Cornwall
    6.6 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Sardinian
    5.6 MIDDLE_EASTERN:LEVANTINESamaritan
    1.6 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN:Cameroon_Bakoko
    1.4 WEST_EUROPEAN:French_Paris
    1.4 SOUTH_EUROPEAN:Italian_Aosta_Valley
    1.4 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN:Cameroon_Bangwa
    0.6 SUB_SAHARANAFRICAN:Biaka


    Mon père n'a aucun apport moyen-oriental significatif sur les autres calculateurs donc je pense qu'il y a effectivement quelque chose à revoir. Surtout qu'on voit apparaître la même chose pour Trelvern.
    Les résultats unscaled diffèrent toujours un peu du scaled, c'est un calculateur surtout pour personnes mixtes et j'ai chosi le unscaled volontairement pour la raison que j'ai évoqué. Sinon ayant vu des résultats de Trelvern dans d'autres posts il semble qu'il a aussi un petit shift de Proche-Orient comme ici où dans une calculatrice pour européens des références minimales "extrêmes" ont été proposées pour attraper des types de composantes bien définies https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post732769, il a du grec représentant un shift du Levant dans ce modèle, hors l'Assyrian dans mon modèle est en bonne partie caucasienne aussi avec du Levantin comme on trouve dans le "grec péloponnèse", il faut savoir que en unscaled certaines composantes peuvent ressortir un peu plus que en scaled.
    Sa réaction serait la bienvenue. Il se pourrait que si j'aurais ajouté des composantes plus Nord Caucasiennes que ses résultats auraient encore un peu différé, la composante caucasienne est bien présente aussi en France et plutôt du Nord Caucase.
    N'oubliez pas que en France il y a même si en quantité plus faible que dans les péninsules italienne et ibérique ces composantes, de nombreux résultats dans ce forum et des études officielles l'ont démontré donc il est raisonnable et normal de pouvoir en voir apparaître. Les sources de ces composantes en France proviennent surtout des Romains, Grecs, Sarmates, Juifs, ce calculateur s'adressant surtout aux personnes métissées je laisse donc tel quelles ces composantes de manière brute car elles proviennent surtout de leur origine Nord Africaine et non de populations européennes récentes porteuses de ces composantes (ce dernier point serait valable lui pour des français/ouest européens sans mélange connu ou avec mélange européen connu).
    1.4% pour votre papa n'est pas très significatif en soit, cela pourrait relevé d'un "bruit" s'il en a jamais eu dans aucune calculatrice en unscaled, testez en mettant de la pénalité, pour Trelvern il n'avait plus rien en 0.5, il aurait été bien de voir ce qu'il obtient aussi en 0.25 de distance.
    Merci, ok, ici le sardes représente chez vous très probablement un apport de votre père pour son Sud européen mais surtout celui de votre mère, voyez en mettant une pénalité les résultats que vous obtenez pour vous et votre père, svp en 0.25 et 0.5 si possible, merci.
    En tout cas de ce que je sais pour moi et de ce que je vois pour vous, ça semble très correct et bien fonctionné pour le moment.
    Last edited by Aben Aboo; 03-24-2021 at 10:09 AM.

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    Brittany, France
    Ethnicity
    Celtic & Berber
    Y-DNA (P)
    I-Y38675 (I2a2)
    mtDNA (M)
    T1a2f
    Y-DNA (M)
    G-BY37102 (G2a2)
    mtDNA (P)
    H1b1-a

    Algeria France Bretagne France
    Mon père n'obtient plus de Middle East ou SSA en 0.25

    Par contre moi j'ai :
    Target: Marine
    Distance: 0.7454% / 0.00745413 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    38.6 NORTH_AFRICAN-MAGHREBI_BERBER
    37.2 WEST_EUROPEAN
    24.2 SOUTH_EUROPEAN

    On passe de 8 à 24% South European.
    23andme : 50% North African (Béjaïa & Sétif, Algeria) / 50% Northwestern European (Brittany, France)
    G25 : 50.00 % French_Brittany_Rennes_B_46 + 50.00 % Algerian_Algerian43A23 0.008153
    Paternal lineage : I-M223 / I-Y3259 / I-CTS616 / I-Y3721 / I-Y3670 / I-L1229 / I-S18331 / I-Y6512 / I-Y38675
    Father's maternal lineage : H1b1-a (T16362C)
    Maternal lineage : T1a2f
    Mother's paternal lineage : G-Y85585 / G-Z36520 / G-FP3147 / G-Z36525 / G-BY37102*

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