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    Haplgroup Balkan in North africa

    Here they can be Vandals or Illyrians recruits in the roman army
    E-M35-L618 branch balkan.PNG

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    Quote Originally Posted by capsian View Post
    Here they can be Vandals or Illyrians recruits in the roman army
    E-M35-L618 branch balkan.PNG

    This is quite interesting.
    However, this branch has little or nothing to do with the Balkans. According to YFull this branch separated from the rest of E-L618 lineages 7800 years ago.
    Here is the same node in the FTDNA tree: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...name=E-BY28614

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    Not likely to be from the Balkans but it is interesting nontheless and maybe sorta pushes us to the theory that E-L618 could have entered Europe from North Africa and not directly from the Levant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasil View Post
    Not likely to be from the Balkans but it is interesting nontheless and maybe sorta pushes us to the theory that E-L618 could have entered Europe from North Africa and not directly from the Levant.
    There is E-L618 from Syria, Lebanon, Albania, Greece, Neolithic Croatia. I think Cardial Pottery Culture is undeniable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    There is E-L618 from Syria, Lebanon, Albania, Greece, Neolithic Croatia. I think Cardial Pottery Culture is undeniable.
    I agree with the Cardium pottery and that being derived from PPNB but did they take the Anatolian/Balkan route or did they hop aegean islands directly from Levant or from North Africa we simply dont know so thats what i meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasil View Post
    I agree with the Cardium pottery and that being derived from PPNB but did they take the Anatolian/Balkan route or did they hop aegean islands directly from Levant or from North Africa we simply dont know so thats what i meant.
    From the 2018 paper The genomic history of southeastern Europe

     


    TLDR version, they assume that the Epicardial and LBK split happened in the Balkans and that both of the groups originated from a single migration out of western Anatolia.

    However, the Greek-Neolithic farmers are too CHG shifted, so they probably originated from Central Anatolia or somewhere further East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasil View Post
    I agree with the Cardium pottery and that being derived from PPNB but did they take the Anatolian/Balkan route or did they hop aegean islands directly from Levant or from North Africa we simply dont know so thats what i meant.
    Maybe they take the Anatolian/Balkan route because there found remains from barcin 8600 years under E-M35 mostly on preE-L618*

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    E-L618 is likely to have expanded in both directions, towards North Africa with IBM, towards the Levante with Natufians. That doesn't answer the original homeland, for which either North Eastern Africa/Egypt or the Southern Near East are the most likely candidates. But either way, this has little to do with how it entered Europe, which was with the Neolithic colonisers from the Levante and Anatolia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    E-L618 is likely to have expanded in both directions, towards North Africa with IBM, towards the Levante with Natufians. That doesn't answer the original homeland, for which either North Eastern Africa/Egypt or the Southern Near East are the most likely candidates. But either way, this has little to do with how it entered Europe, which was with the Neolithic colonisers from the Levante and Anatolia.
    The Natufians didn't carry any E-M78 lineages.I think E-M78 lineages were introduced later plus the oldest ancient samples of E-M78 are in the Maghreb as of now

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