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    Hi guys,

    My mitochondrial dna is U2-T152C. Anyone know what the origins are for it?. Back when I did my test with nat geo it said that U2 had jewish diaspora and asians -though I might be remembering wrong. I'm south asian myself with no known jewish dna.

    Edit: With no known jewish ancestry or dna*

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    U2a
    U2a: found in Central Asia (Turkmenistan) and South Asia (Pakistan, India)
    U2a1
    U2a1a ---- me
    U2a1b

    U2a2
    U2b
    U2b: found in Central Asia (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan), South Asia (Pakistan, India, Nepal) and Thailand
    U2b1
    U2b1a
    U2b2 : found in Kazakhstan
    U2c'd
    U2c : found in Central Asia and South Asia (Pakistan, India, Bangladesh)
    U2c1
    U2c1a : found in Afghanistan, Pakistan and India
    U2c1b : found in Pakistan and India


    Do you have the final terminal clade ? U2 is found widely in South asia at low frequencies. It is probably from upper paleolithic Central Asia. Jewish probably got it from addition of population later. The original mtdna from Anatolian was K1, J2, X2 etc.. K1 is considered core Jewish mtdna. U2 is more Central Asia/Eurasian Steppe mtdna
    Y: H1a1a4b3b1a8 Yfull id-> YF83218
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    G25 Ancients Dist 1.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 88.4 MAR_Taforalt 2.6NPL_Mebrak 5
    VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 4 Hidden Content

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    U2a
    U2a: found in Central Asia (Turkmenistan) and South Asia (Pakistan, India)
    U2a1
    U2a1a ---- me
    U2a1b

    U2a2
    U2b
    U2b: found in Central Asia (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan), South Asia (Pakistan, India, Nepal) and Thailand
    U2b1
    U2b1a
    U2b2 : found in Kazakhstan
    U2c'd
    U2c : found in Central Asia and South Asia (Pakistan, India, Bangladesh)
    U2c1
    U2c1a : found in Afghanistan, Pakistan and India
    U2c1b : found in Pakistan and India


    Do you have the final terminal clade ? U2 is found widely in South asia at low frequencies. It is probably from upper paleolithic Central Asia. Jewish probably got it from addition of population later. The original mtdna from Anatolian was K1, J2, X2 etc.. K1 is considered core Jewish mtdna. U2 is more Central Asia/Eurasian Steppe mtdna
    I don't have a terminal clade yet. Hoping of doing a WGS with nebula once they move their lab from china.

    My mum belong's to the Arain caste and from East Punjab originally, and so does the furthest extent of my maternal lineage ,mitochondrial lineage (which is actually only about three generations sadly). On FTDNA my mum gets quite a few european X-linked matches. I'm wondering if they picked it up from South Asia or if my mum's lineage is originally european. They dont have any known south asian ancestry, so I'm a little confused.

    On Y-Full. (I'm not sure if I'm reading it right) it seems that downstream from U2-aT152C! theres U2c,U2d and U2e. The last two are almost entirely european. But Ftdna only gives me U2-T152C! so it might just be that I'm an entirely different branch from those.

    Edit: U2-a also seems to be distinct from U2a
    Last edited by royaljoker; 03-27-2021 at 09:34 AM.

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    U2b2 seems to be the most abundant U in South Asians.

    I have a UP Syed connection with U2e as their mtDNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    U2b2 seems to be the most abundant U in South Asians.

    I have a UP Syed connection with U2e as their mtDNA.
    Same with me. Even though I am U2a1a or b, I get big matches from U2e from those Xiongnu samples. Don't know if there are any connection or not
    Y: H1a1a4b3b1a8 Yfull id-> YF83218
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    G25 Ancients Dist 1.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 88.4 MAR_Taforalt 2.6NPL_Mebrak 5
    VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 4 Hidden Content

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Quote Originally Posted by royaljoker View Post
    Hi guys,

    My mitochondrial dna is U2-T152C. Anyone know what the origins are for it?. Back when I did my test with nat geo it said that U2 had jewish diaspora and asians -though I might be remembering wrong. I'm south asian myself with no known jewish dna.

    Edit: With no known jewish ancestry or dna*

    U2-T152C! is parallel to U2b and U2a and U2-T152C! is upstream of U2c'd and U2e.

    But I am still not convinced of the U2 phylogeny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    U2-T152C! is parallel to U2b and U2a and U2-T152C! is upstream of U2c'd and U2e.

    But I am still not convinced of the U2 phylogeny.
    These matches with europeans that we get are quite recent as they show up on the autosomal matches (where they are identified as being X-linked). We haven't had any specific mtdna testing per se. But would it be right to assume that if we tested as U2e, that this maternal lineage was recent and colonially sourced. While if its U2c'd its the other way around. its likely to be native and went to these other europeans through south asian concubines that european colonials often had like Ochterlony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royaljoker View Post
    These matches with europeans that we get are quite recent as they show up on the autosomal matches (where they are identified as being X-linked). We haven't had any specific mtdna testing per se. But would it be right to assume that if we tested as U2e, that this maternal lineage was recent and colonially sourced. While if its U2c'd its the other way around. its likely to be native and went to these other europeans through south asian concubines that european colonials often had like Ochterlony.
    That would depend on the clade of U2e.
    "The only modern U2e* sample is from India."
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....ll=1#post40157

    "There are 4 lineages of U2e:
    U2e1 - found from Europe to India.
    U2e2 - found from Europe to India.
    U2e3 - just a few FMS samples found in Italy, Ireland and the Middle East
    U2e* - a single sample from India"
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....ll=1#post44469

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    Quote Originally Posted by royaljoker View Post
    These matches with europeans that we get are quite recent as they show up on the autosomal matches (where they are identified as being X-linked). We haven't had any specific mtdna testing per se. But would it be right to assume that if we tested as U2e, that this maternal lineage was recent and colonially sourced. While if its U2c'd its the other way around. its likely to be native and went to these other europeans through south asian concubines that european colonials often had like Ochterlony.
    The U2e classification is not strickly European as surmised, rather we see many South asians have U2e show up on Gedmatch and other places. The Classification scheme for mtdna is not strick and error proof. My own classification is messy it moves between some subclades under U2a1 depending upon which ones to ignore and which ones to use
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    G25 Ancients Dist 1.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 88.4 MAR_Taforalt 2.6NPL_Mebrak 5
    VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 4 Hidden Content

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    U2b2 seems to be the most abundant U in South Asians.

    I have a UP Syed connection with U2e as their mtDNA.
    This is the one I have It's rooted in the indus valley civilization

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