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    mt-D1j, the hallmark of Native America, was found in slab grave in Mongolia

    It is well known that mt-D1 is a typical matrilineal marker of Native Americans. However, mt-D1j was found in the slab grave of Mongolia about 2500 years ago, which is very unusual. Please confirm it for me.

    ID:MIT001.A0101 M D1j Q1a1a1 (Q-M120) EIA

    1. Jeong et al. 2020. A dynamic 6,000-year genetic history of Eurasia’s Eastern Steppe.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...92867420313210

    2. https://www.yfull.com/mtree/D1/


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    According to the supplmentart material of the journal "River Valleys Shaped the Maternal Genetic Landscape of Han Chinese" https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article...true#138348886, there were 4 Han Chinese samples whom maternal haplogroups belong to D1j1. There were from Heilongjiang, Jilin, Zhejiang, and Jiangsu province. https://www.yfull.com/mtree/D1j1/ Could D1j and it's downstream D1j1 still be prevalent in Eastern and North Eastern Asia or there were the few rare cases?
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    A76LA8QJ2IRV Heilongjiang D1j1
    73G 152C 263G 444G 449C 471C 479G 504C 507C 508G 750G 980C 1438G 2080C 2706G 3010A 4123G 4254C 4336C 4395G 4769G 4802C 4883T 4884G 5157T 5165T 5178A 6176C 7028T 7421G 7961C 7963G 7972G 8393T 8409T 8412C 8413G 8414T 8419C 8425G 8566G 8633G 8701G 8704G 8860G 8946G 9540C 9545G 10398G 10400T 10873C 10942G 11719A 11875C 11878C 11893G 12400G 12705T 13659C 13773G 14299C 14497G 14634C 14668T 14766T 14783C 15040T 15043A 15301A 15317A 15323A 15326G 15388C 15394C 15562G 15737A 15748C 15754T 15757G 15758G 15851G 15852C 15874G 16223T 16276C 16311C 16362C 16368C

    A76LA8Q62SRI Jiangsu D1j1
    73G 152C 263G 444G 449C 471C 479G 504C 507C 508G 750G 980C 1420C 2080C 2706G 3010A 4123G 4254C 4336C 4395G 4742C 4769G 4802C 4883T 4884G 5157T 5165T 5178A 5788C 6176C 7028T 7421G 7961C 7963G 7972G 8409T 8412C 8413G 8414T 8419C 8425G 8566G 8633G 8701G 8704G 8860G 8946G 9540C 9854C 9855G 10398G 10400T 10873C 10942G 11719A 11875C 11878C 11893G 12362T 12363T 12370T 12400G 12705T 13032G 13047G 13659C 13773G 14497G 14634C 14668T 14766T 14783C 15040T 15043A 15301A 15317A 15323A 15326G 15388C 15394C 15562G 16192T 16206C 16223T 16276C 16311C 16316G 16318T 16362C

    A76LA8J1TT10 Jilin D1j1
    73G 152C 263G 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4769G 4883T 5178A 7028T 8393T 8409T 8414T 8701G 8702T 8704G 8860G 9540C 9855G 10398G 10400T 10873C 11719A 12705T 13711A 13713T 13879C 14668T 14783C 15043A 15300C 15301A 15326G 16126C 16192T 16223T 16311C 16316G 16362C

    A76LA8FYPE7I Zhejiang D1j1
    73G 152C 263G 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 3996T 4409C 4769G 4883T 5153G 5178A 7028T 8414T 8701G 8704G 8860G 9078C 9540C 10398G 10400T 10873C 11719A 12705T 14668T 14766T 14783C 14956C 14968C 15043A 15301A 15326G 16098G 16223T 16311C 16362C

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuzam87 View Post
    According to the supplmentart material of the journal "River Valleys Shaped the Maternal Genetic Landscape of Han Chinese" https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article...true#138348886, there were 4 Han Chinese samples whom maternal haplogroups belong to D1j1. There were from Heilongjiang, Jilin, Zhejiang, and Jiangsu province. https://www.yfull.com/mtree/D1j1/ Could D1j and it's downstream D1j1 still be prevalent in Eastern and North Eastern Asia or there were the few rare cases?
    I don't know how to estimate the TMRCA between these samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuzam87 View Post
    A76LA8QJ2IRV Heilongjiang D1j1
    73G 152C 263G 444G 449C 471C 479G 504C 507C 508G 750G 980C 1438G 2080C 2706G 3010A 4123G 4254C 4336C 4395G 4769G 4802C 4883T 4884G 5157T 5165T 5178A 6176C 7028T 7421G 7961C 7963G 7972G 8393T 8409T 8412C 8413G 8414T 8419C 8425G 8566G 8633G 8701G 8704G 8860G 8946G 9540C 9545G 10398G 10400T 10873C 10942G 11719A 11875C 11878C 11893G 12400G 12705T 13659C 13773G 14299C 14497G 14634C 14668T 14766T 14783C 15040T 15043A 15301A 15317A 15323A 15326G 15388C 15394C 15562G 15737A 15748C 15754T 15757G 15758G 15851G 15852C 15874G 16223T 16276C 16311C 16362C 16368C

    A76LA8Q62SRI Jiangsu D1j1
    73G 152C 263G 444G 449C 471C 479G 504C 507C 508G 750G 980C 1420C 2080C 2706G 3010A 4123G 4254C 4336C 4395G 4742C 4769G 4802C 4883T 4884G 5157T 5165T 5178A 5788C 6176C 7028T 7421G 7961C 7963G 7972G 8409T 8412C 8413G 8414T 8419C 8425G 8566G 8633G 8701G 8704G 8860G 8946G 9540C 9854C 9855G 10398G 10400T 10873C 10942G 11719A 11875C 11878C 11893G 12362T 12363T 12370T 12400G 12705T 13032G 13047G 13659C 13773G 14497G 14634C 14668T 14766T 14783C 15040T 15043A 15301A 15317A 15323A 15326G 15388C 15394C 15562G 16192T 16206C 16223T 16276C 16311C 16316G 16318T 16362C

    A76LA8J1TT10 Jilin D1j1
    73G 152C 263G 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4769G 4883T 5178A 7028T 8393T 8409T 8414T 8701G 8702T 8704G 8860G 9540C 9855G 10398G 10400T 10873C 11719A 12705T 13711A 13713T 13879C 14668T 14783C 15043A 15300C 15301A 15326G 16126C 16192T 16223T 16311C 16316G 16362C

    A76LA8FYPE7I Zhejiang D1j1
    73G 152C 263G 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 3996T 4409C 4769G 4883T 5153G 5178A 7028T 8414T 8701G 8704G 8860G 9078C 9540C 10398G 10400T 10873C 11719A 12705T 14668T 14766T 14783C 14956C 14968C 15043A 15301A 15326G 16098G 16223T 16311C 16362C
    Could that be due to some sort of old "back migration" from Beringia to East Asia (as some people have variously proposed) or is it more likely due to older shared ancestry?

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    I think the assignment of those Chinese mitochondrial haplotypes to haplogroup D1j1 is erroneous.

    They do seem to belong to haplogroup D (5178A 16362C) > haplogroup D4 (3010A 8414T 14668T), but I do not recognize them as belonging to any well-known subclade of haplogroup D4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebizur View Post
    I think the assignment of those Chinese mitochondrial haplotypes to haplogroup D1j1 is erroneous.

    They do seem to belong to haplogroup D (5178A 16362C) > haplogroup D4 (3010A 8414T 14668T), but I do not recognize them as belonging to any well-known subclade of haplogroup D4.
    The quality of these samples does not seem that great appearently

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max_H View Post
    Could that be due to some sort of old "back migration" from Beringia to East Asia (as some people have variously proposed) or is it more likely due to older shared ancestry?
    Every evidence has many interpretations, which one is more reasonable? In my opinion, D1j is a subclad of D1, and D1j of Mongolia is the evidence of out of America, because it is more natural to let most people stay in the same place and let a few people cross the geographical barrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebizur View Post
    I think the assignment of those Chinese mitochondrial haplotypes to haplogroup D1j1 is erroneous.

    They do seem to belong to haplogroup D (5178A 16362C) > haplogroup D4 (3010A 8414T 14668T), but I do not recognize them as belonging to any well-known subclade of haplogroup D4.
    I got another…
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...002/ajpa.20923

    Mitochondrial DNA analysis of Jomon skeletons from the Funadomari site, Hokkaido, and its implication for the origins of Native American
    Noboru Adachi Ken‐ichi Shinoda Kazuo Umetsu Hirofumi Matsumura
    First published: 24 October 2008
    https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.20923
    Citations: 60

    Abstract
    Ancient DNA recovered from 16 Jomon skeletons excavated from Funadomari site, Hokkaido, Japan was analyzed to elucidate the genealogy of the early settlers of the Japanese archipelago. Both the control and coding regions of their mitochondrial DNA were analyzed in detail, and we could securely assign 14 mtDNAs to relevant haplogroups. Haplogroups D1a, M7a, and N9b were observed in these individuals, and N9b was by far the most predominant. The fact that haplogroups N9b and M7a were observed in Hokkaido Jomons bore out the hypothesis that these haplogroups are the (pre‐) Jomon contribution to the modern Japanese mtDNA pool. Moreover, the fact that Hokkaido Jomons shared haplogroup D1 with Native Americans validates the hypothesized genetic affinity of the Jomon people to Native Americans, providing direct evidence for the genetic relationships between these populations. However, probably due to the small sample size or close consanguinity among the members of the site, the frequencies of the haplogroups in Funadomari skeletons were quite different from any modern populations, including Hokkaido Ainu, who have been regarded as the direct descendant of the Hokkaido Jomon people. It appears that the genetic study of ancient populations in northern part of Japan brings important information to the understanding of human migration in northeast Asia and America. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2009. © 2008 Wiley‐Liss, Inc.

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    The reported Jomon D1a was corrected to D4h2. https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....netic-affinity

    I can't find any details for the Slab Grave sample, so I am not 100% sure it is reliable. Ebizur is right about the Han Chinese ones, they do not share the defining mutations of D1.

    American mt hg A2 extends into Asia, mostly in Chukotka but further at low frequencies, even Taimyr in one study IIRC. D1j though seems to be mostly if not exclusively South American, and Mongolia is pretty far, so it would be surprising to find it there.

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