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    New Samples from Migration Era and Early Medieval Moravia

    Courtesy of Arza at Eurogenes, we have some new samples from an unpublished paper to talk about.

    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB39997
    Study Title: Genetic Diversity in Migration Period and Early Middle Ages
    Center Name: University of Fribourg
    Study Name: Pre-Slavic and Slavic Ancient DNA

    "Ancient DNA from pre-Slavic and Slavic individuals was extracted to compare human genetic diversity before and after a possible demographic event traditionally associated with Slavic ethnogenesis."

    Ambron on Eurogenes writes:
    "LIB is Breclav-Libiva (5th century), POH is Pohansko (early Middle Ages)."

    David converted these to G25. They are only preliminary, mind you. Ajeje ran a "moderns" nmonte on them. I'll post some distances.

    LIB2
    Average
    0.03102445 Danish
    0.03199085 VK2020_DNK_Sealand_VA
    0.03209491 Swedish
    0.03235578 Icelandic
    0.03255971 VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA
    0.03263620 England_Saxon
    0.03290463 VK2020_DNK_Funen_VA
    0.03328407 VK2020_GreenlandE_VA
    0.03335606 VK2020_EST_Saaremaa_EVA
    0.03417461 VK2020_NOR_North_VA
    0.03439468 VK2020_NOR_South_IA
    0.03496462 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
    0.03514815 VK2020_NOR_South_VA
    0.03572395 VK2020_IRL_Dublin_VA
    0.03618678 VK2020_Faroes_EM
    0.03631807 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
    0.03633620 VK2020_England_Oxford_VA
    0.03665972 VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA
    0.03666552 Norwegian
    0.03685456 VK2020_SWE_Oland_IA
    0.03701227 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
    0.03735026 VK2020_DNK_Sealand_EVA
    0.03736848 VK2020_NOR_Mid_VA
    0.03739100 Dutch
    0.03744236 Wales_CA_EBA

    Individual
    0.02679255 Icelandic:NA15765
    0.02886223 Sweden_Gotland_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Insular_Celtic_Profile):VK479
    0.02988435 Danish:503
    0.03026158 Denmark_Sealand_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Insular_Celtic_Profile):VK315
    0.03067285 Sweden_Gotland_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Insular_Celtic_Profile):VK58
    0.03078039 Estonia_Saaremaa_Early_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Finnic_Profile):VK509
    0.03122120 Sweden_Skara_Viking_Age_(Norse_Profile):VK308
    0.03142783 German:German76
    0.03179062 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_Northern_Profile:SZ7
    0.03180503 Icelandic:NA15759
    0.03203418 Faroes_Early_Medieval_(Mixed_Insular_Celtic-Norse_Profile):VK238
    0.03208844 Estonia_Saaremaa_Early_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Finnic_Profile):VK549
    0.03224440 Danish:507
    0.03230307 Danish:487
    0.03277146 Denmark_Funen_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Finnic_Profile):VK279
    0.03281402 Sweden_Malmo_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Insular_Celtic_Profile):VK108
    0.03291754 English:English2
    0.03298006 Sweden_Skara_Viking_Age_(Norse_Profile):VK401
    0.03334270 Sweden_Oland_IA_(Mixed_Norse-Finnic_Profile):VK522
    0.03374265 Swedish:Sweden5
    0.03389288 Estonia_Saaremaa_Early_Viking_Age_(Norse_Profile): VK552
    0.03389602 Sweden_Skara_Viking_Age_(Norse_Profile):VK33
    0.03399934 Swedish:Sweden9
    0.03410219 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_Northern_Profile:SZ13
    0.03414527 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_Northern_Profile:SZ16

    ^ Wow. Vandal?

    LIB3
    Average
    0.03282935 Italian_Liguria
    0.03287600 Italian_Lombardy
    0.03422651 Italian_Piedmont
    0.03574889 Italian_Bergamo
    0.03706812 French_Corsica
    0.03807683 Italian_Tuscany
    0.03815278 ITA_Rome_MA
    0.03986653 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.04014426 Italian_Veneto
    0.04078530 Spanish_Menorca
    0.04086796 Spanish_Eivissa
    0.04131145 Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
    0.04139676 Swiss_Italian
    0.04190140 Italian_Marche
    0.04191253 Spanish_Andalucia
    0.04303542 Spanish_Extremadura
    0.04328875 Portuguese
    0.04330821 Spanish_Mallorca
    0.04338945 Spanish_Baleares
    0.04351740 Spanish_Murcia
    0.04372536 ITA_Proto-Villanovan
    0.04398478 Italian_Umbria
    0.04398747 ITA_Etruscan
    0.04406720 Spanish_Alacant
    0.04426090 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity

    Individual
    0.03147340 Italian_Veneto:ALP040
    0.03209003 Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont136
    0.03282935 Italian_Liguria:ALP099
    0.03315431 Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont145
    0.03326292 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany98
    0.03327858 Italian_Lombardy:BGD31
    0.03484532 Italian_Lombardy:BGD301
    0.03498079 Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont43
    0.03543587 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal3
    0.03599784 Italian_UmbriaG08
    0.03606123 Italy_Late_Antiquity_Rome_North_Italian_Profile:RM PR33
    0.03614104 French_Provence_Marseille:S_34
    0.03631233 Italian_Trentino-Alto_Adige:ALP200
    0.03660781 Italian_Trentino-Alto_Adige:ALP420
    0.03670847 French_Corsica:CorsicaS04208
    0.03684968 French_Corsica:CorsicaS29908
    0.03714944 Italy_Medieval_Rome_Central_Italian_Profile:RMPR12 87
    0.03753879 Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont63
    0.03758748 Italian_Lombardy:BGD28
    0.03763529 Italian_Veneto:ALP249
    0.03779548 Italian_Tuscany:VO65
    0.03782003 Italian_Lombardy_Bergamo:HGDP01155
    0.03784507 French_Provence:provance2708
    0.03815484 Spanish_Galicia:GAL48
    0.03821706 Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont98

    ^ Wow again. Alex Fritz and I speculate LIB3 might be a Roman girl from the frontier provinces.

    LIB11
    Average
    0.03345309 Croatian
    0.03521847 Hungarian
    0.03652741 Czech
    0.03695524 Slovenian
    0.03850720 German_East
    0.03905881 Sorb_Niederlausitz
    0.03970358 VK2020_UKR_Chernigov_VA
    0.04049698 VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA
    0.04163237 Polish
    0.04185553 Bosnian
    0.04282839 Slovakian
    0.04312049 Austrian
    0.04352503 Moldovan_o
    0.04375763 VK2020_RUS_Gnezdovo_VA
    0.04387361 CZE_Early_Slav
    0.04429813 Ukrainian
    0.04630450 Moldovan
    0.04757813 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    0.04824772 RUS_Sunghir_MA
    0.04873761 German
    0.04889135 Serbian
    0.04899230 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA
    0.05097876 Russian_Voronez
    0.05122017 Russian_Orel
    0.05196545 Montenegrin

    Individual
    0.03408188 Hungarian:NA15203
    0.03465858 Croatian:Croatia_Cro43
    0.03534610 Croatian:Croatia_Cro133
    0.03635145 Hungarian:NA15199
    0.03665803 Bosnian:Bosnian_12
    0.03684167 Ukrainian:Ukrainian1
    0.03685471 Czech:NA15727
    0.03685566 Moldovan:44618757801C02
    0.03715771 Polish:S_Polish-1
    0.03748711 Croatian:Croatia_Cro302
    0.03751062 Croatian:Croatia_Cro141
    0.03783483 Czech:NA15732
    0.03813014 Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
    0.03819658 Polisholish33
    0.03882583 Czech:NA15729
    0.03900978 Hungarian:NA15204
    0.03902153 Ukrainian:Ukrainian11
    0.03905881 Sorb_Niederlausitz:Niederlausitz1
    0.03954755 Slovenian:Slovenian137
    0.03970358 Ukraine_Chernigov_Medieval_(Slavic_Profile):VK542
    0.03976957 Polisholish39
    0.03977652 Austrian:Austria5
    0.03977701 Czech:NA15731
    0.03979545 Hungary_Szolad_Avar:Av1
    0.03982410 Polisholish26
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    And now the medieval samples:

    Part 1

    POH3
    Average
    0.03672722 Croatian
    0.03729522 Bosnian
    0.03745273 Moldovan
    0.04035845 Hungarian
    0.04153946 Serbian
    0.04271194 Slovenian
    0.04349307 Montenegrin
    0.04495845 Scythian_HUN
    0.04678004 Romanian
    0.04727946 Austrian
    0.04817322 CZE_Early_Slav
    0.04825670 VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA
    0.04941652 Moldovan_o
    0.04975327 Czech
    0.05129336 Macedonian
    0.05156526 Slovakian
    0.05221589 UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky
    0.05240016 Bulgarian
    0.05293086 DEU_MA_ACD
    0.05384860 SRB_Mokrin_EBA
    0.05393218 DEU_Singen_EIA
    0.05404621 VK2020_UKR_Chernigov_VA
    0.05552942 Ukrainian
    0.05613899 HUN_LBA
    0.05652160 German_East

    Individual
    0.03353846 Moldovan:44618757471C01
    0.03353846 Moldovan:747_R01C01
    0.03448503 Moldovan:44618757522C01
    0.03609884 Moldovan:44618757482C02
    0.03609884 Moldovan:748_R02C02
    0.03699528 Bosnian:Bosnian_10
    0.03718394 Bosnian:Bosnian_12
    0.03731265 Moldovan:44618757252C02
    0.03774402 Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
    0.03829365 Moldovan:44618758491C01
    0.03832437 Romanian:A306
    0.03834847 Serbian:728
    0.03886071 Moldovan:44618757582C02
    0.03894205 Bosnian:Bosnian_13
    0.03905060 Croatian:Croatia_Cro198
    0.03940904 Moldovan_o:44618758492C01
    0.03965196 Slovenian:Slovenian172
    0.03982778 Montenegrin:Montenegro4
    0.04003475 Moldovan:44618757252C01
    0.04026136 Denmark_Langeland_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Northern-Southern_Profile):VK362
    0.04039006 Italian_Trentino-Alto_Adige_Outlier:ALP414
    0.04041825 Hungarian:NA15203
    0.04054645 Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
    0.04094231 Moldovan:44618757581C02
    0.04097262 Moldovan:44618758492C02

    POH11
    Average
    0.03444468 Slovakian
    0.03652248 Sorb_Niederlausitz
    0.03657480 Polish
    0.03714575 VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA
    0.03814289 Ukrainian
    0.03843235 Moldovan_o
    0.03851887 Slovenian
    0.03916255 Czech
    0.04015960 Croatian
    0.04106268 Hungarian
    0.04154125 German_East
    0.04186463 CZE_Early_Slav
    0.04203238 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    0.04299054 Bosnian
    0.04400708 Russian_Orel
    0.04440264 Bell_Beaker_CZE_o
    0.04471911 Russian_Voronez
    0.04523422 VK2020_RUS_Gnezdovo_VA
    0.04575087 RUS_Sunghir_MA
    0.04596897 VK2020_UKR_Chernigov_VA
    0.04604043 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA
    0.04661990 Cossack_Ukrainian
    0.04699754 Austrian
    0.04840991 Russian_Kursk
    0.04852779 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA

    Individual
    0.03265783 Slovakian:Slovakia77
    0.03280231 Ukrainian:Ukrainian1
    0.03433709 Polish:S_Polish-1
    0.03450101 Polisholish22
    0.03493577 Ukrainian:UKR-1283
    0.03530818 German:German5
    0.03530818 German_East:German_East4
    0.03651285 Croatian:Croatia_Cro133
    0.03652248 Sorb_Niederlausitz:Niederlausitz1
    0.03655911 Lach:Slowian88_Mother
    0.03668796 Slovakian:Slovakia85
    0.03708573 Polisholish15
    0.03714575 Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_(Slavic_Profile):VK541
    0.03743859 Slovenian:Slovenian172
    0.03750819 Hungarian:NA15205
    0.03765922 Polisholish39
    0.03766545 Ukrainian:UKR-1291
    0.03790250 Czech:NA15732
    0.03860297 German:German2
    0.03860297 German_East:German_East2
    0.03917583 Ukrainian:UKR-1978
    0.03922289 Ukrainian:Ukrainian18
    0.03925395 Denmark_Jutland_Viking_Age_(Balto-Slavic_Profile):VK340
    0.03925840 Polisholish25
    0.03927398 Slovakian:Slovakia94

    POH13
    Average
    0.02959238 Lithuanian_VZ
    0.03078994 Lithuanian_VA
    0.03210870 Lithuanian_RA
    0.03262025 Lithuanian_PZ
    0.03324002 Lithuanian_PA
    0.03340955 Lithuanian_SZ
    0.03370937 VK2020_POL_Cedynia_VA
    0.03424146 Belarusian
    0.03619425 Latvian
    0.03691034 Russian_Smolensk
    0.03818667 KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro
    0.03929146 VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA
    0.04228121 RUS_Ingria_IA
    0.04230806 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA
    0.04233442 Russian_Voronez
    0.04289503 RUS_Sunghir_MA
    0.04401853 Estonian
    0.04404271 Russian_Orel
    0.04543079 Ukrainian
    0.04629550 Polish
    0.04739656 Russian_Tver
    0.04740513 Russian_Kursk
    0.04758354 Cossack_Ukrainian
    0.04777145 VK2020_POL_Sandomierz_VA
    0.04826218 HUN_Avar_Szolad

    Individual
    0.02876657 Lithuanian_South_Zemaitija:LTG-773
    0.02912782 Lithuanian_South_Aukstaitija:LTG-173
    0.02975134 Lithuanian_West_Zemaitija:LTG-587
    0.03005261 Lithuanian_North_Zemaitija:LTG-1127
    0.03122576 Sweden_Gotland_Viking_Age_(Baltic_Profile):VK475
    0.03149112 Lithuanian_West_Aukstaitija:LTG-372
    0.03204169 Lithuanian_West_Zemaitija:LTG-664
    0.03211904 Lithuanian:LithuanianE2
    0.03262074 Lithuanian:LithuanianA1
    0.03267263 Germany_Medieval_Bernburg_(Balto-Slavic_Profile):KRA011
    0.03275279 Belarusian:Belarusian1
    0.03288503 Lithuanian_East_Aukstaitija:LTG-334
    0.03302159 Lithuanian_West_Zemaitija:LTG-529
    0.03308144 Lithuanian_South_Aukstaitija:LTG-1366
    0.03325212 Belarusian:Belarusian14
    0.03353823 Kazakhstan_Golden_Horde_(European_Profile)A29
    0.03354109 Lithuanian_West_Zemaitija:LTG-935
    0.03370937 Poland_Cedynia_Viking_Age_(Balto-Slavic_Profile):VK212
    0.03374560 Lithuanian_West_Aukstaitija:LTG-439
    0.03407076 Lithuanian_East_Aukstaitija:LTG-102
    0.03435174 Lithuanian_East_Aukstaitija:LTG-351
    0.03446404 Lithuanian_West_Aukstaitija:LTG-598
    0.03447628 Lithuanian_West_Aukstaitija:LTG-502
    0.03450009 Lithuanian_West_Aukstaitija:LTG-625
    0.03455677 Lithuanian_North_Zemaitija:LTG-645

    POH27
    Average
    0.03476289 Macedonian
    0.03713859 Bulgarian
    0.03770203 Romanian
    0.03987668 Montenegrin
    0.04013261 Italian_Northeast
    0.04027919 Serbian
    0.04162659 Rumelia_East
    0.04269357 Gagauz
    0.04288884 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.04530609 Italian_Veneto
    0.04636891 Albanian
    0.04764063 Bosnian
    0.04799458 Swiss_Italian
    0.04802002 Greek_Macedonia
    0.04846768 Moldovan
    0.04909984 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.04944560 Greek_Thessaly
    0.04988916 HRV_MBA
    0.04997453 Italian_Piedmont
    0.05087307 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.05131804 Scythian_HUN
    0.05157439 French_Provence
    0.05205946 Italian_Bergamo
    0.05220640 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.05472902 Swiss_French

    Individual
    Distance to: MigrationOH27
    0.03166365 Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5
    0.03410918 Slavo-Macedonian:Macedonian2
    0.03474859 Greek_Eastern_Rumelia:647
    0.03534709 Serbian:Serbian_Serbia2
    0.03550310 Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
    0.03610152 Romanian:A343
    0.03615760 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
    0.03738820 Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
    0.03739237 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia:ALP093
    0.03740417 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
    0.03745905 Moldovan_(Southern_Balkan-Shifted):MOL-064
    0.03748591 Montenegrin:Montenegro1
    0.03813404 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
    0.03842753 Moldovan_(Southern_Balkan-Shifted):MOL-024
    0.03876372 Serbian:Serbian_Serbia4
    0.03932337 Montenegrin:Montenegro6
    0.03961184 Moldovan_(Southern_Balkan-Shifted):MOL-005
    0.03973681 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia:KF1803129
    0.03981767 Italian_Veneto:KF1803105
    0.03989441 Romanian:G428
    0.04027801 Greek_Eastern_Rumelia:645
    0.04028003 Slavo-Macedonian:Macedonian8
    0.04040659 Romanian:A325
    0.04045696 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia:ALP081
    0.04092237 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia:KF2700922

    POH28
    Average
    0.03697758 Lithuanian_VZ
    0.03838355 Lithuanian_PZ
    0.04026342 Belarusian
    0.04048938 Lithuanian_SZ
    0.04086111 VK2020_POL_Cedynia_VA
    0.04129101 Lithuanian_VA
    0.04134137 Russian_Smolensk
    0.04220974 Lithuanian_RA
    0.04314206 Lithuanian_PA
    0.04365806 Latvian
    0.04497713 Estonian
    0.04541767 RUS_Ingria_IA
    0.04625042 VK2020_POL_Sandomierz_VA
    0.04856789 Russian_Voronez
    0.04919169 VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA
    0.05036817 RUS_Sunghir_MA
    0.05091211 Cossack_Ukrainian
    0.05159624 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA
    0.05201166 Polish
    0.05254134 Russian_Orel
    0.05254531 KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro
    0.05299745 Baltic_LTU_BA
    0.05308546 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    0.05349331 Ukrainian
    0.05400314 Russian_Kursk

    Individual
    0.02767035 Lithuanian:LithuanianA1
    0.03018715 Lithuanian:LithuanianD1
    0.03279148 Lithuanian_West_Aukstaitija:LTG-372
    0.03596688 Lithuanian_South_Zemaitija:LTG-1099
    0.03631079 Russian_Smolensk:Russia_Smol339
    0.03705238 Lithuanian_West_Zemaitija:LTG-529
    0.03727252 Lithuanian_South_Zemaitija:LTG-773
    0.03752961 Lithuanian_South_Zemaitija:LTG-759
    0.03807040 Belarusian:Belarusian15
    0.03840477 Lithuanian_West_Aukstaitija:LTG-625
    0.03852586 Belarusian:Belarusian12
    0.03869741 Lithuanian:Lithuanian101
    0.03872219 Lithuanian_East_Aukstaitija:LTG-334
    0.03886425 Lithuanian_West_Zemaitija:LTG-587
    0.03952333 Lithuanian_West_Zemaitija:LTG-532
    0.03958736 Germany_Medieval_Bernburg_(Balto-Slavic_Profile):KRA011
    0.03973710 Polisholish2
    0.04022274 Lithuanian:LithuanianE2
    0.04063950 Lithuanian_North_Zemaitija:LTG-918
    0.04066463 Belarusian:Belarusian9
    0.04069174 Lithuanian_East_Aukstaitija:LTG-225
    0.04069701 Russian_Smolensk:Russia_Smol345
    0.04086111 Poland_Cedynia_Viking_Age_(Balto-Slavic_Profile):VK212
    0.04109316 Lithuanian_North_Zemaitija:LTG-1112
    0.04123411 Belarusian:Belarusian2
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    POH36
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    0.03170307 Sorb_Niederlausitz
    0.03542882 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA
    0.03620737 Polish
    0.03624770 Slovakian
    0.03731225 Ukrainian
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    0.04530377 VK2020_RUS_Gnezdovo_VA
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    0.04595095 VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA
    0.04633450 Lithuanian_VA
    0.04655161 Russian_Kursk
    0.04657032 Lithuanian_PA
    0.04662356 Russian_Smolensk
    0.04823842 Hungarian
    0.04899257 VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA
    0.04917485 German_East

    Individual
    0.03170307 Sorb_Niederlausitz:Niederlausitz1
    0.03383684 Ukrainian:UKR-1399
    0.03391665 Ukrainian:Ukrainian1
    0.03505783 German:German75
    0.03517462 Polish:Polish15
    0.03541181 Sweden_Gotland_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Balto-Slavic-Balkan_Profile):VK454
    0.03633359 Polish:Polish39
    0.03680857 Polish:Polish35
    0.03695572 Ukrainian:UKR-1292
    0.03711303 Slovakian:Slovakia85
    0.03725888 Ukrainian:Ukrainian22
    0.03781002 Ukrainian:Ukrainian12
    0.03834015 Poland_Bodzia_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Balto-Slavic-Norse-Finnic_Profile):VK156
    0.03868031 Ukrainian:UKR-2021
    0.03870492 Polish:S_Polish-1
    0.03889908 Ukrainian:UKR-1951
    0.03899613 Polish:Polish30
    0.03920115 Ukrainian:Ukrainian18
    0.03926590 Polish:Polish28
    0.03929457 Sweden_Gotland_Viking_Age_(Balto-Slavic_Profile):VK474
    0.03949569 Slovakian:Slovakia94
    0.03968991 Hungarian:NA15200
    0.03979815 Polish:Polish27
    0.03987906 Lach:Slowian88_Mother
    0.03988263 Russian_Orel:russianOrjol78

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    0.03452808 Slovakian
    0.03521331 Polish
    0.03626662 Sorb_Niederlausitz
    0.03836650 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA
    0.03905119 Czech
    0.04016104 Ukrainian
    0.04026406 VK2020_RUS_Gnezdovo_VA
    0.04226885 VK2020_POL_Bodzia_VA
    0.04240232 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    0.04248585 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA
    0.04426345 German_East
    0.04480441 Moldovan_o
    0.04520140 CZE_Early_Slav
    0.04543320 Cossack_Ukrainian
    0.04562041 Russian_Orel
    0.04576675 Russian_Voronez
    0.04639925 Russian_Kursk
    0.04649262 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
    0.04649733 DEU_Tollense_BA
    0.04702038 Russian_Smolensk
    0.04778068 VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA
    0.04810331 Belarusian
    0.04827853 Lithuanian_PA
    0.04834181 CZE_Unetice_EBA
    0.04876323 Hungarian

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    0.02635690 Polish:Polish26
    0.03061225 Czech:NA15724
    0.03284021 Polish:Polish27
    0.03293204 Slovakian:Slovakia85
    0.03380390 German:GRC10044067
    0.03484786 Ukrainian:Ukrainian22
    0.03487683 Sweden_Skara_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Balto-Slavic-Finnic_Profile):VK397
    0.03494184 Scythian_Ukraine:scy009
    0.03494452 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5531
    0.03501500 Ukrainian:UKR-1291
    0.03506560 Ukrainian:UKR-1283
    0.03520673 Slovakian:Slovakia118
    0.03572193 Hungary_Hatvan-Fuzesabony_BA:I20772
    0.03626662 Sorb_Niederlausitz:Niederlausitz1
    0.03636471 Polish:Polish5
    0.03674715 Polish:Polish16
    0.03741421 Sweden_Oland_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Balto-Slavic_Profile):VK443
    0.03741968 Ukrainian:Ukrainian1
    0.03771614 Ukrainian:UKR-2021
    0.03805987 German:German76
    0.03839689 Ukrainian:Ukrainian17
    0.03841134 Polish:Polish35
    0.03855645 Polish:Polish32
    0.03858405 Ukrainian:Ukrainian18
    0.03861534 Hungary_Vekerzug_IA:I20745

    POH41
    Average
    0.02867146 Polish
    0.02916550 Ukrainian
    0.02953301 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    0.03095056 Russian_Orel
    0.03198252 Cossack_Ukrainian
    0.03200282 Russian_Voronez
    0.03249748 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA
    0.03281487 Russian_Kursk
    0.03295099 Belarusian
    0.03367140 Russian_Smolensk
    0.03451392 Lithuanian_PA
    0.03526925 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA
    0.03545987 VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA
    0.03573736 Sorb_Niederlausitz
    0.03592021 VK2020_POL_Bodzia_VA
    0.03732801 Slovakian
    0.03773061 VK2020_UKR_Chernigov_VA
    0.03833033 Moldovan_o
    0.03837062 Lithuanian_VA
    0.03845907 RUS_Sunghir_MA
    0.03879790 VK2020_RUS_Gnezdovo_VA
    0.03982680 Russian_Tver
    0.04012582 Czech
    0.04025031 KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro
    0.04159783 VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA

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    0.02537927 Polish:Polish37
    0.02885421 Polish:Polish22
    0.03013213 Belarusian:Belarusian13
    0.03032105 Ukrainian:UKR-1992
    0.03043510 Russian_Smolensk:Russia_Smol312
    0.03044754 Polish:Polish39
    0.03074870 Polish:Polish31
    0.03088662 Ukrainian:ULV293_ukrainian_Lviv
    0.03104924 Ukrainian:Ukrainian8
    0.03138926 Russian_Orel:russianOrjol78
    0.03144277 Polish:Polish32
    0.03181581 Polish:Polish15
    0.03188417 Ukrainian:UKR-2021
    0.03198252 Cossack_Ukrainian:GS000035238
    0.03230979 Lithuanian_South_Aukstaitija:LTG-804
    0.03256148 Polish:Polish34
    0.03281374 Polish:Polish35
    0.03300774 Belarusian:Belarusian4
    0.03301850 Hungary_Szolad_Avar:Av1
    0.03346764 Poland_Bodzia_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Balto-Slavic-Norse-Finnic_Profile):VK156
    0.03379803 Polish:Polish25
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    0.03405987 Lithuanian_South_Aukstaitija:LTG-173
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    ^ Wow. Vandal?
    Of course, there were also other Germanics in the area at the time. Maybe this was a Quadi individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    Of course, there were also other Germanics in the area at the time. Maybe this was a Quadi individual.
    Do you think the POH individuals will be useful proxies for the Slavs that made it as far south as Greece? The timing of the samples could be right depending what they mean by "early Middle Ages."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greekscholar View Post
    Do you think the POH individuals will be useful proxies for the Slavs that made it as far south as Greece? The timing of the samples could be right depending what they mean by "early Middle Ages."
    I'm not sure, but it is kind of funny that you see almost every variety of Slavic profile in this set. Everything from what is presumably "original Slavic" (the Lithuanian-like samples) to West Slavic-like samples to South Slavic-like samples. The whole gamut is represented here. Maybe we'll see the same heterogeneity in the Balkans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    Courtesy of Arza at Eurogenes, we have some new samples from an unpublished paper to talk about.

    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB39997
    Study Title: Genetic Diversity in Migration Period and Early Middle Ages
    Center Name: University of Fribourg
    Study Name: Pre-Slavic and Slavic Ancient DNA

    "Ancient DNA from pre-Slavic and Slavic individuals was extracted to compare human genetic diversity before and after a possible demographic event traditionally associated with Slavic ethnogenesis."

    Ambron on Eurogenes writes:
    "LIB is Breclav-Libiva (5th century), POH is Pohansko (early Middle Ages)."

    David converted these to G25. They are only preliminary, mind you. Ajeje ran a "moderns" nmonte on them. I'll post some distances.

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    0.03102445 Danish
    0.03199085 VK2020_DNK_Sealand_VA
    0.03209491 Swedish
    0.03235578 Icelandic
    0.03255971 VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA
    0.03263620 England_Saxon
    0.03290463 VK2020_DNK_Funen_VA
    0.03328407 VK2020_GreenlandE_VA
    0.03335606 VK2020_EST_Saaremaa_EVA
    0.03417461 VK2020_NOR_North_VA
    0.03439468 VK2020_NOR_South_IA
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    0.03514815 VK2020_NOR_South_VA
    0.03572395 VK2020_IRL_Dublin_VA
    0.03618678 VK2020_Faroes_EM
    0.03631807 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
    0.03633620 VK2020_England_Oxford_VA
    0.03665972 VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA
    0.03666552 Norwegian
    0.03685456 VK2020_SWE_Oland_IA
    0.03701227 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
    0.03735026 VK2020_DNK_Sealand_EVA
    0.03736848 VK2020_NOR_Mid_VA
    0.03739100 Dutch
    0.03744236 Wales_CA_EBA

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    0.02679255 Icelandic:NA15765
    0.02886223 Sweden_Gotland_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Insular_Celtic_Profile):VK479
    0.02988435 Danish:503
    0.03026158 Denmark_Sealand_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Insular_Celtic_Profile):VK315
    0.03067285 Sweden_Gotland_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Insular_Celtic_Profile):VK58
    0.03078039 Estonia_Saaremaa_Early_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Finnic_Profile):VK509
    0.03122120 Sweden_Skara_Viking_Age_(Norse_Profile):VK308
    0.03142783 German:German76
    0.03179062 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_Northern_Profile:SZ7
    0.03180503 Icelandic:NA15759
    0.03203418 Faroes_Early_Medieval_(Mixed_Insular_Celtic-Norse_Profile):VK238
    0.03208844 Estonia_Saaremaa_Early_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Finnic_Profile):VK549
    0.03224440 Danish:507
    0.03230307 Danish:487
    0.03277146 Denmark_Funen_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Finnic_Profile):VK279
    0.03281402 Sweden_Malmo_Viking_Age_(Mixed_Norse-Insular_Celtic_Profile):VK108
    0.03291754 English:English2
    0.03298006 Sweden_Skara_Viking_Age_(Norse_Profile):VK401
    0.03334270 Sweden_Oland_IA_(Mixed_Norse-Finnic_Profile):VK522
    0.03374265 Swedish:Sweden5
    0.03389288 Estonia_Saaremaa_Early_Viking_Age_(Norse_Profile): VK552
    0.03389602 Sweden_Skara_Viking_Age_(Norse_Profile):VK33
    0.03399934 Swedish:Sweden9
    0.03410219 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_Northern_Profile:SZ13
    0.03414527 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_Northern_Profile:SZ16

    ^ Wow. Vandal?
    How far down in the individual distances were possible Vandal Poprad DA119 and Saxon-like RMPR31 who was buried in Rome ~400AD? Good stuff!
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greekscholar View Post
    Do you think the POH individuals will be useful proxies for the Slavs that made it as far south as Greece? The timing of the samples could be right depending what they mean by "early Middle Ages."
    These samples range from Balts to North Slavs to South Slavs - they won't be a good proxy for anything, unfortunately.

    But just as seen with the Avar samples, it seems possible that the proto-Slavs were initially Baltic-like and they quickly started absorbing various southern populations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velislav View Post
    These samples range from Balts to North Slavs to South Slavs - they won't be a good proxy for anything, unfortunately.

    But just as seen with the Avar samples, it seems possible that the proto-Slavs were initially Baltic-like and they quickly started absorbing various southern populations.
    You can't average them obviously, but the fact that this guy/gal was found in Moravia and yet has these distances:

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    0.03476289 Macedonian
    0.03713859 Bulgarian
    0.03770203 Romanian
    0.03987668 Montenegrin
    0.04013261 Italian_Northeast
    0.04027919 Serbian
    0.04162659 Rumelia_East
    0.04269357 Gagauz
    0.04288884 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.04530609 Italian_Veneto
    0.04636891 Albanian
    0.04764063 Bosnian
    0.04799458 Swiss_Italian
    0.04802002 Greek_Macedonia
    0.04846768 Moldovan
    0.04909984 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.04944560 Greek_Thessaly
    0.04988916 HRV_MBA
    0.04997453 Italian_Piedmont
    0.05087307 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.05131804 Scythian_HUN
    0.05157439 French_Provence
    0.05205946 Italian_Bergamo
    0.05220640 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.05472902 Swiss_French

    is certainly interesting, isn't it? He has an almost paleo-Balkan profile.

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    These samples are from the vicinity of Breclav at the Danube, close to Early Medieval ethnic Slovene territory:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C5%99eclav

    Areas inhabited by the ancestors of Slovenes in the Early Middle Ages (before Bavarian & Magyar expansions):

    http://www.gis.si/egw/ZSS_T04_P02/img/karta2.jpg



    Therefore, some of them could be South Slavs (related to Slovenes & Croats), not North Slavs (Moravians etc.).

    The ones with a more southern autosomal profile may not be typical for the Great Moravian state as a whole.
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